Mitch Marner (Trade or Keep)?

[Larcos_Unal]

Right……..sure it will…….been hearing that for 7 years now. Lol

The problem is our generational stars are underpaid relative to their performance. We just need to give them more money so their family issues are resolved.

Just wait to see how good Matthews will be at $15M and Marner at $13.5...just you wait!!

 

[GoonieFace]

The problem is our generational stars are underpaid relative to their performance. We just need to give them more money so their family issues are resolved.

Just wait to see how good Matthews will be at $15M and Marner at $13.5...just you wait!!

You just don’t get it. The price of Wagyu beef has skyrocketed. Show some compassion

 

[Racer88]

The problem is our generational stars are underpaid relative to their performance. We just need to give them more money so their family issues are resolved.

Just wait to see how good Matthews will be at $15M and Marner at $13.5...just you wait!!

Lol. No kidding

 

[Notsince67]

marner's deal is going to be easy ... he gets whatever is left from the cap after everyone else is signed.

If it isn't enough he can leave.

Leafs existed before and will after.

He is hardly a franchise savior.

Wow. Generous of you when they are likely looking at a 7.5mm cap increase that year.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Blaming JT and his contract is the most disingenuous thing you could do. It has more to do with how poor the character of the big 3 are. They are soft. The coaching was terrible as was the GM and Pres overseeing the whole failure.

Dont do the Leafy thing here. Next it will be Lilgrin etc.

JT's overpayment and NMC set the stage for Matthews' and Marner's overpayments and NTCs (which I think go into effect the moment they are eligible).

I don't blame JT, but if Dubas had signed him to a more reasonable contract (or better yet, not have signed someone we didn't need), then Matty and Mitch would likely have signed for more reasonable amounts, and we would have had the money available to address the problem areas - goal, defence, and bottom 6.

I do agree that the performance of those three, particularly in the playoffs, leaves much to be desired, and it is largely the fault of management and coaching.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Matthews I get his situation to a point in that he is a franchise #1C and so he is expected to move the bar up for the NHLPA.. No problem.

McDavid @$12.5 mil (best player on the planet), then MacKinnon off a Cup win = $12.6 mil AAV so Matthews due up next $12.7 mil AAV x 8 years.
Marner should be a $9.5 mil max now.
Nylander gets his raise to $8.5-$9 mil.
JT gets his $11 mil cut in 1/2 when it expires to $5.5 mil to stay.

Right, except that I don't think two years down the road JT will be worth anything close to $5.5. I'm not sure he's worth that now.

 

[thewave]

JT's overpayment and NMC set the stage for Matthews' and Marner's overpayments and NTCs (which I think go into effect the moment they are eligible).

I don't blame JT, but if Dubas had signed him to a more reasonable contract (or better yet, not have signed someone we didn't need), then Matty and Mitch would likely have signed for more reasonable amounts, and we would have had the money available to address the problem areas - goal, defence, and bottom 6.

I do agree that the performance of those three, particularly in the playoffs, leaves much to be desired, and it is largely the fault of management and coaching.

There was always this option... Don't play ball.

For instance say to them, JT is a free agent and you are not. You have some years to go before you can make demands like that. Dubas invented special advanced stats to price everyone above market value. He was an idiot.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Wow. Generous of you when they are likely looking at a 7.5mm cap increase that year.

If you think the GM's job is to be generous, you should contact Dubas to see if he can offer you a job. The pay is likely to b good.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Every morning I wake up expecting to hear Marner traded due to cap constraints.

For Crouse or some other dud. But of course, ML$E will tell us it's because the intangibles guys like Crouse bring are what is needed to win a cup. That this was part of the "plan" all along.

Nobody is fooling anyone.

The only way Marner gets traded is if they can't afford to keep him. Anyone who says otherwise is just misleading themselves and everyone else.

The cap juggling and balancing act will be even more precocious this year.

Once again the team will jettison any good mid-range players for guys off the scrap heap. Only to go out early in the playoffs again. Exchanging duds for other duds just hasn't been a viable working strategy to this point.

A change in direction would seem obvious to most sane persons.

Trading Marner looks like the quickest, easiest, way out of this mess they have created for themselves. But this is the Toronto Maple Leafs we're talking about. At the end of the day, whatever Treliving does will be decided by one thing, and one thing only:

if he can fit enough minimum wage duds to ice a team without having to trade a stud like Marner first to make room.

 

[thewave]

Every morning I wake up expecting to hear Marner traded due to cap constraints.

For Crouse or some other dud. But of course, ML$E will tell us it's because the intangibles guys like Crouse bring are what is needed to win a cup. That this was part of the "plan" all along.

Nobody is fooling anyone.

The only way Marner gets traded is if they can't afford to keep him. Anyone who says otherwise is just misleading themselves and everyone else.

The cap juggling and balancing act will be even more precocious this year.

Once again the team will jettison any good mid-range players for guys off the scrap heap. Only to go out early in the playoffs again. Exchanging duds for other duds just hasn't been a viable working strategy to this point.

A change in direction would seem obvious to most sane persons.

Trading Marner looks like the quickest, easiest, way out of this mess they have created for themselves. But this is the Toronto Maple Leafs we're talking about. At the end of the day, whatever Treliving does will be decided by one thing, and one thing only:

if he can fit enough minimum wage duds to ice a team without having to trade a stud like Marner first to make room.

I have to agree with you about Toronto trading for intangibles. It's a very stupid thing that the Leafs do all the time. I would hope that Toronto use it for a good mix of picks and prospects or perhaps a couple high picks and a legit winger that can play.

You don't use assets like Marner to get some Lucic TRELIVING.

The Board is name obsessed so he will likely be handcuffed. Do you know how much revenue the other divisions lose if they trade the guy appears in 50 ads a year. That advertising revenue is important, more important than winning.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

I have to agree with you about Toronto trading for intangibles. It's a very stupid thing that the Leafs do all the time. I would hope that Toronto use it for a good mix of picks and prospects or perhaps a couple high picks and a legit winger that can play.

You don't use assets like Marner to get some Lucic TRELIVING.

The Board is name obsessed so he will likely be handcuffed. Do you know how much revenue the other divisions lose if they trade the guy appears in 50 ads a year. That advertising revenue is important, more important than winning.

At $11M you would hope these guys had the intangibles themselves to begin with.

But you are correct, the name on the back of the jersey sells more than the name on the front.

For proof, just compare Marner's jersey sales to Holl's.

One of these guys will be on the team next year.

I don't expect it will be Holl.

 

[Nineteen67]

I don't see a need to re-up Tavares once his deal is up. He'll be two years older/slower, I don't see a need to sign a guy who'll be useless 5v5.

He doesn't fit in a bottom 6 checking role, let him walk.

He’ll retire, I would think.

 

[Zack47]

But, there is no point in trading Marner and not trading Matthews. The issue is pretty clear: Their projected 28 million cap hit further dilutes the talent you can sign at forward, when that is already the problem. We need more distributed scoring, more.. tenacity, more well-rounded players, who can be signed for an average of 7 million each. That turns two superstars into 4 very good players, which i would prefer.

 

[hullsy47]

I have to agree with you about Toronto trading for intangibles. It's a very stupid thing that the Leafs do all the time. I would hope that Toronto use it for a good mix of picks and prospects or perhaps a couple high picks and a legit winger that can play.

You don't use assets like Marner to get some Lucic TRELIVING.

The Board is name obsessed so he will likely be handcuffed. Do you know how much revenue the other divisions lose if they trade the guy appears in 50 ads a year. That advertising revenue is important, more important than winning.

The rumor now is Carolina and LA kings

 

[hullsy47]

The rumor now is Carolina and LA kings

Sorry my bad fake EF account on Twitter.
Twitter is carving up marner

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Right, except that I don't think two years down the road JT will be worth anything close to $5.5. I'm not sure he's worth that now.

He should repay the team for all the shit that happened with contracts by taking a $1.5M deal and retire a Leaf. He is definitely not going to be worth anywhere near $5m in two years.

 

[BallardEra]

He should repay the team for all the shit that happened with contracts by taking a $1.5M deal and retire a Leaf. He is definitely not going to be worth anywhere near $5m in two years.

I want him gone after his contract is completed.

I'm sick and tired of the Club Med retirement deals for these guys even if they are cheap deals.

 

[thewave]

Sorry my bad fake EF account on Twitter.
Twitter is carving up marner

Probably has to do with his Skip the Playoffs contract.

 

[Stephen]

But, there is no point in trading Marner and not trading Matthews. The issue is pretty clear: Their projected 28 million cap hit further dilutes the talent you can sign at forward, when that is already the problem. We need more distributed scoring, more.. tenacity, more well-rounded players, who can be signed for an average of 7 million each. That turns two superstars into 4 very good players, which i would prefer.

There are a lot of good reasons to trade Marner and keep Matthews.

Re-spend $11 on Marner's cap on all the goodies you like on the UFA market, and target some futures to bring in some more cheap young talent with upside. Then re-allocate all that Tavares money Summer 2025.

 

[Leafs87]

The conversation with Marner, whether it be with the Leafs or his next team is that he’s not worth his current deal so when re-upping he should be getting less than he’s currently making.

Marner will have to choose between chasing a cup or chasing money. All signs displayed point to the latter IMHO, and his trade value is higher this year than next. So easy answer for me. Trade and move on. Learn from previous mistakes.

 

[Stephen]

The conversation with Marner, whether it be with the Leafs or his next team is that he’s not worth his current deal so when re-upping he should be getting less than he’s currently making.

Marner will have to choose between chasing a cup or chasing money. All signs displayed point to the latter IMHO, and his trade value is higher this year than next. So easy answer for me. Trade and move on. Learn from previous mistakes.

If Marner's still hell bent on the Matthews comparisons and he's still here, that would represent an untenable cap situation.

 

[Notsince67]

The conversation with Marner, whether it be with the Leafs or his next team is that he’s not worth his current deal so when re-upping he should be getting less than he’s currently making.

Marner will have to choose between chasing a cup or chasing money. All signs displayed point to the latter IMHO, and his trade value is higher this year than next. So easy answer for me. Trade and move on. Learn from previous mistakes.

Are you high? Not worth his money under what and whose valuation?

 

[Gary Nylund]

Are you high? Not worth his money under what and whose valuation?

Marner's worth his money during the regular season. For people who care more about the playoffs then the regular season though, there's no question he's overpaid.

 

[Arzak]

There are a lot of good reasons to trade Marner and keep Matthews.

Re-spend $11 on Marner's cap on all the goodies you like on the UFA market, and target some futures to bring in some more cheap young talent with upside. Then re-allocate all that Tavares money Summer 2025.

This is spot on.

In theory, you should be able to get pick and a couple of really good ELC players for Marner and that's what we need. NHL-ready prospects on cheap contracts with star potential, players that have the potential to vastly overperform their contract. Impossible to do when you are amongst top paid players.

Trading Marner now will change the course of negotiations with Matthews.

Not to mention you build your team around your best player, not a player paid the same as your best player.

 

[Trapper]

Marner's worth his money during the regular season. For people who care more about the playoffs then the regular season though, there's no question he's overpaid.

This isn’t Team Canada where you can have 23 guys that make 8-12 million a year in the NHL. You have to choose in a Cap world and you have to make sure your team is represented in key areas with that decision.

The no. 1 C has priority.
We desperately need another big time D and money for that.
We should not be paying Matthews (13?) and then having to pay Marner the same. There are players out there for 6-7-8 million that allow you flexibility to build around Matthews.