Mitch Marner (Trade or Keep)?

[ToneDog]

This isn’t Team Canada where you can have 23 guys that make 8-12 million a year in the NHL. You have to choose in a Cap world and you have to make sure your team is represented in key areas with that decision.

The no. 1 C has priority.
We desperately need another big time D and money for that.
We should not be paying Matthews (13?) and then having to pay Marner the same. There are players out there for 6-7-8 million that allow you flexibility to build around Matthews.

14 days to move him but we are wasting our breath. They want to keep this guy because he sells tickets and jerseys. There is a reason we have not won a cup in 56 years.

 

[Trapper]

14 days to move him but we are wasting our breath. They want to keep this guy because he sells tickets and jerseys. There is a reason we have not won a cup in 56 years.

We know nothing will change. And then fans, media and management are shocked when nothing changes.

 

[Notsince67]

Marner's worth his money during the regular season. For people who care more about the playoffs then the regular season though, there's no question he's overpaid.

No question he outperformed kucherov both times they met and certainly Pasta this year. This is getting so old. People need to stop repeating such stupidity. He outperformed the whole f***ing team ffs. Best player in series 1 and the only clutch game winner in series 2. The only one that kept a crappy defense together. The one that saw the highest QoC of anyone including Dmen. If they weren't focusing on him, everyone else would have choked larger than they did.

 

[Gary Nylund]

No question he outperformed kucherov both times they met and certainly Pasta this year. This is getting so old. People need to stop repeating such stupidity. He outperformed the whole f***ing team ffs. Best player in series 1 and the only clutch game winner in series 2. The only one that kept a crappy defense together. The one that saw the highest QoC of anyone including Dmen. If they weren't focusing on him, everyone else would have choked larger than they did.

I guess you missed game 3 against FLA. My advice is don't watch it, Marner had possibly the worst single game performance by any Maple Leaf in the last 50+ years, completely puke worthy and unacceptable. I could maybe live with a catastrophe like that during the regular season from a random foot soldier, but not in the playoffs from someone getting paid the way Marner is and especially not in the biggest game of the year.

 

[ACC1224]

14 days to move him but we are wasting our breath. They want to keep this guy because he sells tickets and jerseys. There is a reason we have not won a cup in 56 years.

They could be in last place and spending to the cap floor and they would still sell all their tickets and merchandise. You can’t honestly believe what you posted?

 

[ToneDog]

They could be in last place and spending to the cap floor and they would still sell all their tickets and merchandise. You can’t honestly believe what you posted?

Correct but fans pay to see Marner and Matthews. They do not pay to watch Kerfoot.

 

[ACC1224]

Correct but fans pay to see Marner and Matthews. They do not pay to watch Kerfoot.

You pay to watch whatever team they put in the ice. In the tank years Kerfoot would have been one of the better players.

 

[Stephen]

This is spot on.

In theory, you should be able to get pick and a couple of really good ELC players for Marner and that's what we need. NHL-ready prospects on cheap contracts with star potential, players that have the potential to vastly overperform their contract. Impossible to do when you are amongst top paid players.

Trading Marner now will change the course of negotiations with Matthews.

Not to mention you build your team around your best player, not a player paid the same as your best player.

The wildcard factor in whether or not we keep Marner is whether he’s willing to take less or stand pat on his current AAV.

Other teams establish an internal cap structure by having a lead dog like Matthews, everyone else falls in line behind.

With Marner, he definitely didn’t seem to be content to slot in as a number 2 on the last round, always with the insinuation that he could be better than Matthews, so the pay had to be equivalent or close to it as possible.

If that dynamic repeats itself, it’s pretty clear you can’t repeat it.

 

[alliuk12]

Until the playoffs hit
Also, entitled, immature, stand-offish brat

Maybe but he was the best player that the team had in the playoffs

 

[Notsince67]

I guess you missed game 3 against FLA. My advice is don't watch it, Marner had possibly the worst single game performance by any Maple Leaf in the last 50+ years, completely puke worthy and unacceptable. I could maybe live with a catastrophe like that during the regular season from a random foot soldier, but not in the playoffs from someone getting paid the way Marner is and especially not in the biggest game of the year.

Lol 1 game. That's your evidence? Weak and a quote that will come back at you in the future for a good laugh.

 

[ToneDog]

The wildcard factor in whether or not we keep Marner is whether he’s willing to take less or stand pat on his current AAV.

Other teams establish an internal cap structure by having a lead dog like Matthews, everyone else falls in line behind.

With Marner, he definitely didn’t seem to be content to slot in as a number 2 on the last round, always with the insinuation that he could be better than Matthews, so the pay had to be equivalent or close to it as possible.

If that dynamic repeats itself, it’s pretty clear you can’t repeat it.

You have no way of knowing before his NMC kicks in July 1. All things being equal, he's not standing pat let alone taking less than his current AAV after July 1, 2014.

 

[notdoneyet]

I only have two questions

What has matthews done to deserve a raise

Why should marner not get a raise if matthews gets one

Not many teams have a 100 point offensive player that is also a selke nominee

 

[Stephen]

You have no way of knowing before his NMC kicks in July 1. All things being equal, he's not standing pat let alone taking less than his current AAV after July 1, 2014.

Worst case scenario we just re-spend the cap space if we have to let him walk in two years.

 

[WillNy29]

I only have two questions

What has matthews done to deserve a raise

Why should marner not get a raise if matthews gets one

Not many teams have a 100 point offensive player that is also a selke nominee

2 rocket trophies, hart trophy, 60 goal season, ted Lindsay trophy, Hart nominee; those are quite lofty achievements versus a selke nomination

 

[Notsince67]

I only have two questions

What has matthews done to deserve a raise

Why should marner not get a raise if matthews gets one

Not many teams have a 100 point offensive player that is also a selke nominee

They are both getting raises regardless where they play.

 

[ACC1224]

2 rocket trophies, hart trophy, 60 goal season, ted Lindsay trophy, Hart nominee; those are quite lofty achievements versus a selke nomination

Marner played a huge role in all of Matthews achievements.

 

[notdoneyet]

Marner played a huge role in all of Matthews achievements.

Please dont use common sense or logic in this thread posters will put you on ignore

2 rocket trophies, hart trophy, 60 goal season, ted Lindsay trophy, Hart nominee; those are quite lofty achievements versus a selke nomination

All marner critics say it doesn’t matter what he does in the regular season it only matters what he does
In the playoffs so he doesn’t deserve a raise.

What has matthews achieved in the playoffs
To deserve a raise

Double standard

 

[hullsy47]

Lol 1 game. That's your evidence? Weak and a quote that will come back at you in the future for a good laugh.

Please dont use common sense or logic in this thread posters will put you on ignore


All marner critics say it doesn’t matter what he does in the regular season it only matters what he does
In the playoffs so he doesn’t deserve a raise.

What has matthews achieved in the playoffs
To deserve a raise

Double standard

Well again are we going to have marner in 2 years be the highest paid player in the league?
Because mathews might take just a slight raise over McKinnon but marner in 2 years will want a raise above mathews
This was always gonna be a problem with this core 4
But dybad figured he'd have a cup or at least 1 long run by now
If the Leafs run it back without some kind of commitments rebuild city in 3 years
.. .

 

[ACC1224]

Well again are we going to have marner in 2 years be the highest paid player in the league?
Because mathews might take just a slight raise over McKinnon but marner in 2 years will want a raise above mathews
This was always gonna be a problem with this core 4
But dybad figured he'd have a cup or at least 1 long run by now
If the Leafs run it back without some kind of commitments rebuild city in 3 years
.. .

I would imagine it would be determined by Marners performance over the next two years.
He didn't need to be paid more than Matthews before so I wouldn't assume he would demand that in the future.

 

[notdoneyet]

Well even though i have never been a fan of Dubas i can give him some benefit of doubt.
No one and i mean no one could ever think that disease would cripple the cap hit like covid.
If right now the cap was 90 million as it was probable heading too before covid our big 4
Caps wouldnt look so bad and duba would have had more money to bolster a lineup.

 

[freshwind]

Well even though i have never been a fan of Dubas i can give him some benefit of doubt.
No one and i mean no one could ever think that disease would cripple the cap hit like covid.
If right now the cap was 90 million as it was probable heading too before covid our big 4
Caps wouldnt look so bad and duba would have had more money to bolster a lineup.

I was somewhat okay with the direction but think the error was not re-evaluating the impact of the big contracts with a flat cap
i agree that a cap of 90 or 90+ even would make today's situation a little better ...
when the leafs braintrust (and i include the snake shanabang in that group) stuck with the structure with a multi year flat cap is when i lost confidence in the ownership/management of the club ...
been watching since the 60's so nothing really surprises me to be honest

 

[thewave]

I was somewhat okay with the direction but think the error was not re-evaluating the impact of the big contracts with a flat cap
i agree that a cap of 90 or 90+ even would make today's situation a little better ...
when the leafs braintrust (and i include the snake shanabang in that group) stuck with the structure with a multi year flat cap is when i lost confidence in the ownership/management of the club ...
been watching since the 60's so nothing really surprises me to be honest

Looks like recession on the horizon as well. More flat caps and of course our drunk on money big 3 are salivating all over MLSEs shoes for a raise.

 

[notDatsyuk]

They are both getting raises regardless where they play.

I'm sure they are. The question is do the deserve it?

 

[notDatsyuk]

Looks like recession on the horizon as well. More flat caps and of course our drunk on money big 3 are salivating all over MLSEs shoes for a raise.

Only two of the 'money big 3' are in a position to get a raise. The third will be lucky to get a decent contract in two years.

 

[Notsince67]

I'm sure they are. The question is do the deserve it?

These kinds of players are worth far more than they are paid or can be paid. McDavids actual value is actually greater than 20mm.
AM closer to league max , Marner ~13mm and Willy ~11mm
Now depending on term and projection of how much they improve or decline, that number changes. League socialism brings the number down. It's depth players that are usually overpaid.