Mitch Marner (post playoffs) discussion thread continued...

[Beyonder91]

Amazing how many people here know Marner personally and what he's like.. what his attitude towards things are etc.

Good job with the witch hunt. Try to run one of the best players we've had in years out of town gg.

I was feeling similar to you but this should be happening. The Leafs just blew a 3-1 series lead vs an inferior team and fans are upset. This type of response is inevitable... especially on a message board where the most vocal people are going to be the angriest.

The fact is Marner isn't going anywhere. He is still only 24 years old and signed for 4 more prime years.

Let the fans vent. The wound is still fresh.

 

[Gabriel426]

I was feeling similar to you but this should be happening. The Leafs just blew a 3-1 series lead vs an inferior team and fans are upset. This type of response is inevitable... especially on a message board where the most vocal people are going to be the angriest.

The fact is Marner isn't going anywhere. He is still only 24 years old and signed for 4 more prime years.

Let the fans vent. The wound is still fresh.

I don’t think anyone is save after this playoffs and that includes AM.
It will all depends on the return package.

 

[BraveCanadian]

I was feeling similar to you but this should be happening. The Leafs just blew a 3-1 series lead vs an inferior team and fans are upset. This type of response is inevitable... especially on a message board where the most vocal people are going to be the angriest.

The fact is Marner isn't going anywhere. He is still only 24 years old and signed for 4 more prime years.

Let the fans vent. The wound is still fresh.

Everyone who is a fan is upset. That doesn't mean people get to go off on an irrational hate of a player's personality and everything about him when they don't even know him.

It isn't constructive but I guess it drives clickthroughs.

 

[Thissiteisgarbage]

I was feeling similar to you but this should be happening. The Leafs just blew a 3-1 series lead vs an inferior team and fans are upset. This type of response is inevitable... especially on a message board where the most vocal people are going to be the angriest.

The fact is Marner isn't going anywhere. He is still only 24 years old and signed for 4 more prime years.

Let the fans vent. The wound is still fresh.

You think Dubas wants to roll the dice on his reputation and career betting on the team, as it is, magically turning it around next season?

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Amazing how many people here know Marner personally and what he's like.. what his attitude towards things are etc.

Good job with the witch hunt. Try to run one of the best players we've had in years out of town gg.

Personal attacks are unnecessary but he does deserve criticism for his play.

There's no value in having "one of the best players" if he never shows up in the playoffs.

 

[Beyonder91]

I don’t think anyone is save after this playoffs and that includes AM.
It will all depends on the return package.

Salary cap era makes it too difficult. Trading Marner would be a franchise altering decision and he is still only 24. It's just not going to happen... especially as he is signed for 4 more prime years and just finished 4th in scoring. Management will look towards other issues for the playoff loss: Tavares going down, Coaching, Our bottom 6 forwards producing absolutely nothing etc...
Talent like Matthews/Marner can't be replaced.

 

[McSnypsky]

I'm chuckling.



I guess Tulloch, Siegal, Doerrie, Ferraro have 24 hours to respond.

This is what I'm really curious about, just how much of it is true cause if it's even a little true then I can't see him being kept cause the results aren't there.

 

[Beyonder91]

You think Dubas wants to roll the dice on his reputation and career betting on the team, as it is, magically turning it around next season?

Rolling the dice and trading Marner is a far bigger gamble for his reputation and career. You have to realize this right?
Dubas will look to improve the team in other ways...

 

[ECYCLE]

This is what I'm really curious about, just how much of it is true cause if it's even a little true then I can't see him being kept cause the results aren't there.

Keep in mind Tulloch was the one who broke the Marner list story, I believe. There's way too much smoke here.

Nothing will come out of this unfortunately since no one is going to out their sources.

 

[Beyonder91]

Everyone who is a fan is upset. That doesn't mean people get to go off on an irrational hate of a player's personality and everything about him when they don't even know him.

It isn't constructive but I guess it drives clickthroughs.

Agreed... I already called out a couple posters who were repeatedly posting how much they hate Marner. That stuff shouldn't be allowed as it is really just spamming the thread IMO.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Rolling the dice and trading Marner is a far bigger gamble for his reputation and career. You have to realize this right?
Dubas will look to improve the team in other ways...

This.. plus I still have quite a bit of confidence that Marner is going to turn his playoff reputation around. Lots of players have reversed that. Hell, if Kessel could do it, anyone can.

 

[Beyonder91]

I don’t think anyone is save after this playoffs and that includes AM.
It will all depends on the return package.

I guess anything is possible...

 

[McSnypsky]

Keep in mind Tulloch was the one who broke the Marner list story, I believe. There's way too much smoke here.

Nothing will come out of this unfortunately since no one is going to out their sources.

Well I guess then people have to ask the Coaching staff why they forced Marner to play to same spot even though it wasn't working?

 

[forecheck]

Rolling the dice and trading Marner is a far bigger gamble for his reputation and career. You have to realize this right?
Dubas will look to improve the team in other ways...

Dubas is ALL IN on these guys ( Core ) .... I don't think this is the best way to manage your team by the way as you should always be looking to improve your franchise ,but the chances of Dubas trading Marner or any of his boys are slim to none .

 

[Martin Skoula]

This.. plus I still have quite a bit of confidence that Marner is going to turn his playoff reputation around. Lots of players have reversed that. Hell, if Kessel could do it, anyone can.

Kessel has literally never had a playoff performance as bad as any of Marner's, his reputation was actually undeserved. He didn't need to reverse anything about his play, the media just needed to stop inventing false narratives around him.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Kessel has literally never had a playoff performance as bad as any of Marner's, his reputation was actually undeserved. He didn't need to reverse anything about his play, the media just needed to stop inventing false narratives around him.

Irony. The reality is that Marner's work ethic is better than Kessel, he is worlds better defensively that Kessel ever was.. and there is a good chance that if he keeps that up his fortunes will reverse.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Dubas is ALL IN on these guys ( Core ) .... I don't think this is the best way to manage your team by the way as you should always be looking to improve your franchise ,but the chances of Dubas trading Marner or any of his boys are slim to none .

Sadly

 

[ECYCLE]

Well I guess then people have to ask the Coaching staff why they forced Marner to play to same spot even though it wasn't working?

It's sad that Manny Malhotra is likely going to take the bullet.

 

[GoBuds14]

When the London Knights won the Mem cup in Junior everyone assumed Marner was the difference maker but it was actually Tkachuk. He scored the big goals and was the clutch guy putting them over the top. In retrospect it was Marner riding Tkachuk not the other way around.

Is this what we’re doing now? Attempting to change history? Listen I don’t think I’ve ever been more disappointed in a player, and I have some huge reservations about how his game can adapt to NHL playoff hockey. But let’s be real here, Marner was absolutely dominant for the knights and WAS the offensive driving force of that team

 

[Gary Nylund]

Rolling the dice and trading Marner is a far bigger gamble for his reputation and career. You have to realize this right?
Dubas will look to improve the team in other ways...

Why would anyone have to realize something that is more than likely not true?

I don't want to give Marner away but when you trade Marner, you get something back for him in return. You have to realize this right?

Regular season point production doesn't always equate to playoff success. You have to realize this right?

Until Marner shows that he can be counted on to excel in the playoffs, trading him doesn't carry nearly as much risk as some people seem to think. Unless you prefer regular season point production to playoff success?

 

[Beyonder91]

Why would anyone have to realize something that is more than likely not true?

I don't want to give Marner away but when you trade Marner, you get something back for him in return. You have to realize this right?

Regular season point production doesn't always equate to playoff success. You have to realize this right?

Until Marner shows that he can be counted on to excel in the playoffs, trading him doesn't carry nearly as much risk as some people seem to think. Unless you prefer regular season point production to playoff success?

You can have your opinion. It's not going to happen though.

If you read the post I am responding to I am referring to the risk Dubas will take on by trading him.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Dubas is ALL IN on these guys ( Core ) .... I don't think this is the best way to manage your team by the way as you should always be looking to improve your franchise ,but the chances of Dubas trading Marner or any of his boys are slim to none .

We'll see but I believe you are correct. I have this sick feeling that Dubas is addicted to this core and feels like making a change would be like admitting defeat. Kind of like Babcock who seemingly insisted on winning the way he wanted to win instead of adapting to the tools he had to work with. I really hope I'm wrong but if Dubas is committed to this core and won't consider making a change, I think we can look forward to one more year of not winning a playoff round and then Dubas will be the one who's no longer part of the team. We couldn't even get past MTL, I have zero faith that we'll be able to improve and beat a much tougher opponent next season (assuming we even make the playoffs).

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Rolling the dice and trading Marner is a far bigger gamble for his reputation and career. You have to realize this right?
Dubas will look to improve the team in other ways...

You're looking at this simplistically. In a vacuum, you don't trade a superstar player in their prime like Marner. But we are not in a vacuum. We are in a flat salary cap world. We have THREE 11 million dollar players. This is an unprecedented experiment. Only one player EVER making over 10 mil has won a playoff series, and it happened Monday against us. And, in the playoffs, this experiment has failed. Like, record breaking levels of failure. If the cap was rising as predicted, then fine. It could work. But we need to freaking face reality here. In a flat cap world, three 11 million dollar players isn't going to work. It creates endless depth problems that are quite literally impossible to fix.

Now, when it comes to those three 11 million dollar players, one of them has a ntc. the other just won the Rocket. That leaves Mitch. It sucks. We don't want to lose him. But it's what should happen.

 

[JohnnyBerts]

I wouldn't trade Marner unless you get a significant return which after this playoff series I doubt you're getting. Marner's a great player but him and Matthews just don't understand how to battle in the playoffs. At least that can be learned if they want it.

The roster isn't deep enough IMO to blame Matthews & Marner for the loss.

 

[Gary Nylund]

You can have your opinion. It's not going to happen though.

If you read the post I am responding to I am referring to the risk Dubas will take on by trading him.

You said that trading Marner was a "bigger risk" - I say you're wrong.