Player Discussion Mitch Marner - On Hiatus

[Notsince67]

I think marner is getting way too much credit.

Matthews is the man. marner is Robin, Nylander is the Flash.

And hfboards are commissioner gordon sending out the bat signal?
They should remarket underoos. Seems to be quite the market here alone.

 

[Peasy]

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To those think Nylander, Tavares and Matthews have been as bad as Marner in the playoffs (via twitter)

Dunno how people can still defend him after seeing stats like this lol. Especially when they try and defend how much he makes and that the team needs him.

 

[Nineteen67]

Who is his camp? There seems to be a share psychotic disorder around here. There is Marner and there is his agent. And then there are bullshit stories and speculation that builds novels. Battle? What kind of cosplay is happening around here? This is more epic than a Disney channel.

I think it was Mirtle that said he has people watching the media and other have said that he has group around him in addition to his agents staff. Anything that gets leaked, most likely comes from the agent, but we never know so we take all with a grain of salt. When Lebrun reports its safe to say it’s from a reliable source.

 

[Nineteen67]

Man, if this Marner stuff does go down the mud slinging route he could become one of the leafs most despised players along with Dubas being a despised GM for setting all this in motion and wasting what should have been an awesome tank and rebuild

Maybe they were just unlucky to tank when they did. A year earlier and maybe they’d be in great shape.

What if they picked McDavid then Tkachuk or McAvoy?

 

[MCR74]

Dunno how people can still defend him after seeing stats like this lol. Especially when they try and defend how much he makes and that the team needs him.

$11M doesn't buy much nowadays. Hopefully some other team will find out sooner than later.

 

[rumman]

Not according to the polls around here. We know that democracy rules, right?

Time will tell whether Leafs brass have the stones to back up their words, this team’s run by clowns and the players rule the roost. Chief’s going to have a hard row to hoe to fix all that’s wrong with this team, I’m kinda feeling sorry for him already………

 

[ACC1224]

Not sure what quote exactly you're looking for ..

This was posted saying Marner was quoted.

Marner was quoted today that he will not be waiving his NMC and plans to play out the final year of the contract. This is Tre's fault. He had a chance to move this little greedy puke last season. Now we lose him for nothing.

I asked to see the quote

You should provide his quote.

You replied to my query. Not sure why, you never gave the quote either.

Earlier on Wednesday, The Athletic’s Pierre LeBrun reported that the Marner camp wants to let next season unfold and see what happens instead of entertaining all the rumours on a possible move this summer.

As of now, it is said that Marner is focused on honoring the final year of his deal and hasn’t submitted any list of preferred trade destinations to Maple Leafs’ management.

LeBrun also indicated there seems to be little appetite on Toronto's part to discuss a contract extension this summer. There could be talks later on depending on how the season goes. David Alter also cited LeBrun reporting Leafs GM Brad Treliving acknowledged Marner holds all the cards in this situation. However, Treliving stated he wouldn't trade the winger simply for the sake of doing so.

In his latest for The Athletic, LeBrun revealed that even though the Leafs have not attempted to engage in extension talks, Marner's camp, led by the notorious Darren Ferris, does not plan on engaging in them any time soon either, which will complicate matters for the Leafs this off-season.

A lot can happen during this summer. The Leafs could receive a trade offer that's too good to pass up from a club that Marner would consider a suitable trade destination.

However, that possibility has shrunk over the past month as the difficulty of moving Marner's contract becomes the key factor.

 

[rumman]

Dunno how people can still defend him after seeing stats like this lol. Especially when they try and defend how much he makes and that the team needs him.

Cult of personality……….

 

[57 Years No Cup]

... on teams that want them.

You are missing the key feature.

THE TEAM ISN'T INTERESTED.

I hope you're right, Hammer.

 

[Gallagbi]

This was posted saying Marner was quoted.

I asked to see the quote

You replied to my query. Not sure why, you never gave the quote either.

Seemed like a pretty basic ask. Not sure where @Mess confusion was but he's confused often

 

[Madap]

Dunno how people can still defend him after seeing stats like this lol. Especially when they try and defend how much he makes and that the team needs him.

Oh you just know his defenders are going to ignore the hell out of that post. They just point to his regular season play. Which is still not worth his current contract, let alone a raise.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

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To those think Nylander, Tavares and Matthews have been as bad as Marner in the playoffs (via twitter)

That's the definition of "playoff choker" right there.

 

[darrylsittler27]

We need D and G.
He's a LW

When you go all out on forwards you don't need g or dman, our record as the biggest loser franchise in all pro sports will never be broken. If we get enough expensive forwards they can play defense. No one has ever tried 5 forwards. Could be a real Moneyball moment. If Edmonton wins the cup it will be decades till the next Cdn team wins it. Marner has forgotten what the fans did to Sundin. He won't be having any fun next year and if Berube doesn't like him, kiss your big payday goodbye. Most of the fans don't want you back Mitch. They will tar and feather you as you leave anyway. Stubborn off ice, weak as butter on the ice.

 

[Mess]

This was posted saying Marner was quoted.

I asked to see the quote

You replied to my query. Not sure why, you never gave the quote either.

Sorry now I know what you're referring to.

There are so many article floating around on the topic, However I have read also somewhere that Marner plans on starting the year with the Leafs and honouring his contract. But from the Atlantic Article with Pierre Lebrun on could also draw that similar conclusion.

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Mitch Marner is not ready to waive his no-movement clause nor negotiate an extension according to TSN's Pierre LeBrun, which complicates the Leafs' off-season plans.

From what we know so far, Marner has not been asked by Toronto Maple Leafs GM Brad Treliving for a list of teams or to waive his no-movement clause as of yet. There has also been no desire from the Leafs to begin extension discussions for now, and according to Pierre LeBrun, neither side has the appetite to engage in conversations.

In his latest for The Athletic, LeBrun revealed that even though the Leafs have not attempted to engage in extension talks, Marner's camp, led by the notorious Darren Ferris, does not plan on engaging in them any time soon either, which will complicate matters for the Leafs this off-season.

"That also means I don't think there's an appetite to talk extension come July 1. The preference from the Marner camp is to start the season and see how things go," wrote LeBrun. "Perhaps there are talks on an extension eventually, but I don't believe there's a strong desire to get into them this summer."

With one year left on his current deal that carries a $10.9M cap hit, the Leafs are seemingly being forced to 'run it back' again next season, but not because they want to.

Leafs GM Brad Treliving will have his work cut out for him to build a more competitive and balanced roster with just $18.5M in cap space now that it appears the entire "Core 4" will be back for at least one more season. As LeBrun mentioned, things can change, but as we've seen from Ferris, he tends to hold out until he gets what he wants for his players.

 

[ACC1224]

Sorry now I know what you're referring to.

There are so many article floating around on the topic, However I have read also somewhere that Marner plans on starting the year with the Leafs and honouring his contract. But from the Atlantic Article with Pierre Lebrun on could also draw that similar conclusion.

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Mitch Marner is not ready to waive his no-movement clause nor negotiate an extension according to TSN's Pierre LeBrun, which complicates the Leafs' off-season plans.

From what we know so far, Marner has not been asked by Toronto Maple Leafs GM Brad Treliving for a list of teams or to waive his no-movement clause as of yet. There has also been no desire from the Leafs to begin extension discussions for now, and according to Pierre LeBrun, neither side has the appetite to engage in conversations.

In his latest for The Athletic, LeBrun revealed that even though the Leafs have not attempted to engage in extension talks, Marner's camp, led by the notorious Darren Ferris, does not plan on engaging in them any time soon either, which will complicate matters for the Leafs this off-season.



With one year left on his current deal that carries a $10.9M cap hit, the Leafs are seemingly being forced to 'run it back' again next season, but not because they want to.

Leafs GM Brad Treliving will have his work cut out for him to build a more competitive and balanced roster with just $18.5M in cap space now that it appears the entire "Core 4" will be back for at least one more season. As LeBrun mentioned, things can change, but as we've seen from Ferris, he tends to hold out until he gets what he wants for his players.

So there is no Marner quote?
Maybe a mod could edit the original claim?

 

[Mess]

$11M doesn't buy much nowadays. Hopefully some other team will find out sooner than later.

Its becoming increasingly clear that Leafs kept the wrong winger and let the wrong wingers go.

Marner (@ $10.9 mil and 91 goals last 3 regular seasons).

You could have 2 X $5 mil wingers filling the net with pucks vs. the +$10 mil Marner.

Jared McCann (@$5.5 mil) lost in expansion. He has scored 96 goals since being gifted in expansion to protect Justin Holl.

Zach Hyman (@ $5.0 mil) lost to UFA, both gone for nothing. He has scored 117 regular season goals past 3 years since departure.

Just imagine what a top line would look like

Hyman ($5.0 mil & 117 goals) --- Matthews ($11.6 mil) --- Jared McCann ($5.5 mil & 93 goals)
vs.
XXXX -------- Matthews ($11.6 mil) ------- Marner ($10.9 mil & 91 goals) ​

This example shows how a deep team with cost effective contracts will outproduce a cap heavy approach the Leafs have deployed foolishly, and how little value the Leafs are getting by overpaying Marner. IMO

 

[thewave]

Its becoming increasingly clear that Leafs kept the wrong winger and let the wrong wingers go.

Marner (@ $10.9 mil and 91 goals last 3 regular seasons).

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You could have 2 X $5 mil wingers filling the net with pucks vs. the +$10 mil Marner.

Jared McCann (@$5.5 mil) lost in expansion. He has scored 96 goals since being gifted in expansion to protect Justin Holl.

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Zach Hyman (@ $5.0 mil) lost to UFA, both gone for nothing. He has scored 117 regular season goals past 3 years since departure.

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Just imagine what a top line would look like

Hyman ($5.0 mil & 117 goals) --- Matthews ($11.6 mil) --- Jared McCann ($5.5 mil & 93 goals)
vs.
XXXX -------- Matthews ($11.6 mil) ------- Marner ($10.9 mil & 91 goals) ​

This example shows how a deep team with cost effective contracts will outproduce a cap heavy approach the Leafs have deployed foolishly, and how little value the Leafs are getting by overpaying Marner. IMO

You bet. Even if you factor in some sort of McDavid increase of 30% for Hyman. It still largely tilts against Marner.

It was clear as day for so many of us.

 

[Mess]

You bet. Even if you factor in some sort of McDavid increase of 30% for Hyman. It still largely tilts against Marner.

It was clear as day for so many of us.

You could even use Kadri to make that similar point.

Naz for $5.0 mil and now $7,0 mil has produced 81 goals

You could have kept either Hyman/McCann and Naz now for the cost it would take to retain Marner at approx $12 mil on his new deal for similar cap space.

It breaks down to the Leafs having the ability to deploy 2 X highly productive former players for the cost to keep Marner.

This is what I believe BT has concluded now that the Core 4 does not work and Marner's productivity and cap usage could be better deployed across multiple players/positions.

Leafs very badly flawed strategy of using 1/2 their cap on 4 X forwards has to end because you can see how much depth/production you have to sacrifice to use it.

 

[The Masters]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1798739122040828221

 

[mydnyte]

Maybe they were just unlucky to tank when they did. A year earlier and maybe they’d be in great shape.

What if they picked McDavid then Tkachuk or McAvoy?

McDavid was a improperly weighted draft lottery, he 'should' have been a Leaf, but, the Oilers got extra balls that were undeserved, because Bettman ignored the fact that the had already had the 1st overall pick the year before, and weighted it as if they hadnt.

 

[mydnyte]

You could even use Kadri to make that similar point.

Naz for $5.0 mil and now $7,0 mil has produced 81 goals

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You could have kept either Hyman/McCann and Naz now for the cost it would take to retain Marner at approx $12 mil on his new deal for similar cap space.

It breaks down to the Leafs having the ability to deploy 2 X highly productive former players for the cost to keep Marner.

This is what I believe BT has concluded now that the Core 4 does not work and Marner's productivity and cap usage could be better deployed across multiple players/positions.

Leafs very badly flawed strategy of using 1/2 their cap on 4 X forwards has to end because you can see how much depth/production you have to sacrifice to use it.

We 'could have' signed Pietrangelo and maybe won a cup with him too, but, we didnt, so, 'could have' is a waste of time.

 

[Nineteen67]

McDavid was a improperly weighted draft lottery, he 'should' have been a Leaf, but, the Oilers got extra balls that were undeserved, because Bettman ignored the fact that the had already had the 1st overall pick the year before, and weighted it as if they hadnt.

The Leafs were that close to changing their fate, instead they ended up with Marner and Matthews. Their story hasn’t been completely written, but so far it hasn’t been very good.

Even the apprentice GM could’ve had some level of success with McDavid and Tkachuk.

 

[socko]

So there is no Marner quote?
Maybe a mod could edit the original claim?

Maybe the guy who quoted it works for Marner's security detail and has insider info? LOL. We do believe Marner's guys are working the social media don't we?

 

[socko]

I think Leafs can use an offensive D besides Rielly who can shoot and run the #1PP unit that will automatically generate more offense

Once Tavares is off the cap then we can add a forward if needed.

I would be far more concerned with quality than position. Are there any PP running offensive defenseman UFAs worth a damn this year? I agree we need more than Rielly. Guentzel is a very good player.

 

[Mess]

So there is no Marner quote?
Maybe a mod could edit the original claim?

Marner seems to be letting his agent do the talking, as per Elliotte Friedman of Sportsnet​

Mitch Marner’s fate in Toronto suddenly disclosed by forward’s camp!​

Wonder what Brad Treliving make of this…

It sounds more and more like insider Elliotte Friedman of Sportsnet may have made the right prediction. Earlier this week, Friedman stated how he strongly believes that Mitch Marner will remain with the Toronto Maple Leafs for the rest of his contract, and more evidence has just emerged on how the insider is right.

“One of the things a few people have told me is not to be surprised if this plays out over next season with Marner in Toronto,” Friedman said.

The insider however also revealed how there is little chance that a contract extension will be discussed this summer, but that there could be talks later on depending on how the season goes.

While Marner’s camp seems adamant that he will remain in Toronto, there might become a trade offer that he simply cannot refuse. But it’s been said more than once that the Maple Leafs aren’t likely to come out winners in any Marner trade seeing that current deal sees him paid a shade over $10.9 million against the cap. As of now, it is said that Marner is focused on honoring the final year of his deal and hasn’t submitted any list of preferred trade destinations to Maple Leafs’ management. He could very well finish his current deal in Toronto, but maybe not his NHL career.