Player Discussion Mitch Marner - On Hiatus

[ACC1224]

Why wouldn’t he just say this:

Brad Treliving on William Nylander’s lingering contract situation: “I’ve stated it any time I’ve been asked: Our sole objective is to get him signed”​

That’s what you say for someone you want to keep long term.

The climate was different around the team last off season and he was new in town.
Expecting him to tell the media everything he’s thinking is pretty naive.

 

[Trapper]

The climate was different around the team last off season and he was new in town.
Expecting him to tell the media everything he’s thinking is pretty naive.

Brad doesn’t seem very much like a chess player to me or very cryptic. If he wants something, he seems the type to say it.
It’s not naive to say what you want, only not to speak when things are changing.

 

[Confucius]

Even though you can’t sign until July 1st, Treliving made no secret it was their priority.

You said he’s not a good negotiator. Then you ask why I don’t think he’s using it as negotiating. I don’t because of what you said and he didn’t.

Maybe Brad is getting help this time. After that shrewd bargaining with Nylander maybe someone at MLSE said wtf?

 

[notdoneyet]

Every year UFA’s sign new contracts with new teams. It’s not that unusual.

Not the superstars like you mentioned
Guys like domi bertuzzi etc
Do you really believe Edmonton won’t pay drai to stay
Do you really think Colorado will let a great player like rantanen go.
Rangers are keeping their number one goalie arguably top 3 in the league
The guys that make it to free agency are not top players on their team

 

[Trapper]

Maybe Brad is getting help this time. After that shrewd bargaining with Nylander maybe someone at MLSE said wtf?

Shanahan maybe? Im sure he walked Dubas through the process.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

The climate was different around the team last off season and he was new in town.
Expecting him to tell the media everything he’s thinking is pretty naive.

I don't think Brad speaks about a 92M contract because he's new in town

You shot me a laughing emotion when I said this earlier but I thought it was a fair point. Brad was extremely clear about intending to sign Nylander and he's currently speaking openly about Marner

 

[ACC1224]

I don't think Brad speaks about a 92M contract because he's new in town

You shot me a laughing emotion when I said this earlier but I thought it was a fair point. Brad was extremely clear about intending to sign Nylander and he's currently speaking openly about Marner

I don’t see how the two things relate.
Do you not see that the climate around the team is different this summer?

 

[socko]

Not the superstars like you mentioned
Guys like domi bertuzzi etc
Do you really believe Edmonton won’t pay drai to stay
Do you really think Colorado will let a great player like rantanen go.
Rangers are keeping their number one goalie arguably top 3 in the league
The guys that make it to free agency are not top players on their team

Yeah, probably not getting McDavid but you can get a Jake Guentzel. I'd love to have Guentzel. He's scored at the pace of a 45 goal scorer over his playoff career. Good ole north / south playoff hockey, no perimeter stuff.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

I don’t see how the two things relate.
Do you not see that the climate around the team is different this summer?

Don't you think the way the GM speaks about expiring contracts has a lot of relevance?

We're definitely over-analyzing but that's a very important source. The climate around the team? It's disappointed coming off a first round exit and our president said the time for patience has past. What do you mean?

 

[HamiltonNHL]

source

Mitch was singled out as what was going to change.

EVERYONE KNOWS IT.

Including Mitch. The team knows it too "We love Mitch" they all said in their exit interviews.

 

[Trapper]

Don't you think the way the GM speaks about expiring contracts has a lot of relevance?

We're definitely over-analyzing but that's a very important source. The climate around the team? It's disappointed coming off a first round exit and our president said the time for patience has past. What do you mean?

No matter the circumstances of the last playoffs, do you not think that Marner and his camp would feel very disrespected that he didn’t get the same seal of approval Matthews/Nylander got? Sometimes what you don’t say is as important as what you do.

 

[notDatsyuk]

They were all big swings. Things where if you lose it hurts. So far they have been doing safe 3rd rounders for rental moves. They need to take a risk that they can be a loser. The team needs to get better

They were big swings, but at least three of the four were bad misses that seriously hurt the team.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

No matter the circumstances of the last playoffs, do you not think that Marner and his camp would feel very disrespected that he didn’t get the same seal of approval Matthews/Nylander got? Sometimes what you don’t say is as important as what you do.

It's natural to feel disrespected. Marner may have been advised no contract is being offered in July and his guard is up thus his camp is saving face by announcing its in fact his decision not to negotiate

 

[MCR74]

Mitch was singled out as what was going to change.

EVERYONE KNOWS IT.

Including Mitch. The team knows it too "We love Mitch" they all said in their exit interviews.

l hope you're right.

 

[notDatsyuk]

A reminder that Marner the playoff choker is ahead of these players for playoff PPG (active players only, 20+ GP in their career).

Barkov
Panarin
ROR
Zibanejad
Robertson
Kopitar
Verhaeghe
Backstrom
Hubeardeau
Pettersson
Nylander
Boeser
Stamkos
Stone
Barzal
Kuznetsov
Hintz
Forsberg
Connor
Pavelski
Bennett
Hertl
Tarasenko
Reinhart
Fiala
Etc

Marner is 22nd, one ahead of Matthews, and has the same as Marchand and RNH.

There are 11 players with a PPG of 1.00 or higher.

Marner has been bad, but I think he has been better than he gets credit for, he's had some good series (unfortunately not many recently).



Not making the playoffs is worse to me... maybe people would rather just be a bottom feeder, but not me.

Using the same criteria, there are 129 active players with a higher p/60 (out of 401) at ES.

 

[myleafs]

But Sabres and Sens never made the playoffs 8 yrs in a row or have three and soon to be four 11mil plus players on their payroll.

Huh? Sabres have 1 player making 11. Next closest is 8.3 All their top guys locked in for a bunch of years.
Sens have zero 11m players, Highest is 8.35. All their top guys are locked in for a bunch of years.

Sooooo....

Yeah, lets compare a guy who is close to the end to one that is in his prime. Either way this core has proven they cannot get it done. Time to do in a different direction. We are not here to sell jerseys.

The irony of the bolded is if the leafs can get to the finals , they will sell a shit ton of jerseys

 

[myleafs]

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During the combine, TSN's Pierre LeBrun caught up with Treliving. Obviously, with the Mitch Marner chatter, LeBrun was keen on getting an update, which Treliving was happy to provide.

Judging by his comments, Marner will not be moved for the sake of moving him. The star winger will need to draw a significant return for the Leafs - one that will improve the team - in order for Treliving to pull the trigger.
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Treliving acknowledged Marner's no-movement clause, but re-affirmed that the goal is and always was to make the team better.​

What he didn't say was" its my top priority to get him signed" as he did with 34 and 88 last yr. That little omission may or may not mean anything.

 

[bax]

I don’t understand. If you want to stay a Leaf and it’s the only place you want to play, why would you play out the year to UFA?

We’re probably about to watch marners best season as a leaf.

 

[nuck]

l hope you're right.

At the very least I was hearing nobody should feel safe. I believe Willie was initially just part of a Shanny run it back scheme and then when he was tearing it up so hard they made the decision to re-sign him at any cost. I don't believe Nylander's overpay is the reason Mitch might be moved, but simply the fact they signed WN leaves Mitch with term as potentially the odd man out. Like if Willie had been trending to a ppg he might have been gone a month into the season or be negotiating his deal right now. They thought he had morphed into Guy Lafleur so did what they thought they had to and now they are married to him. With a crystal ball I think WN is gone last summer but thats just a theory.

Whatever the case I think if they really want to trade Mitch they will if he thinks they can't/won't resign him no matter what. Even if he wants to be a thorn and force them to love him it will hurt his future earning power substantially if he isn't given top minutes. I don't mean 4th lining the guy but you can't be an all star on 18:00 a night unless you win a Conn Smyth. He has leverage but it will cut his nuts off to try to really exercise it. Interesting to follow and no matter what this club has improved its playoff chances with a new coach..

 

[HamiltonNHL]

We’re probably about to watch marners best season as a leaf.

On the Devils.

 

[Antropovsky]

Leafs realistically will want to work quickly and trade him on July 1st, so they can explore UFA options.

 

[bax]

On the Devils.

Anything is possible I suppose but I'm betting it's far more likely that there are a lot of very disappointed posters on here in September.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Anything is possible I suppose but I'm betting it's far more likely that there are a lot of very disappointed posters on here in September.

It's ok, the Marner Crew will get over the trade eventually.

 

[bax]

It's ok, the Marner Crew will get over the trade eventually.

They might lol

 

[Mess]

Treliving might go to marner and ask him if he wants to go to NameThatTeam.

marner will decide whether the Leafs are permitted to trade him.

Edmonton offers McDavid straight up and marner says no, the answer is no.

Hey Mitch

You want to go play near Disneyland? Waive NMC sign here: __________________________ .

John Gibson, Trevor Zegras Still Drawing Trade Interest​

Ducks starter John Gibson and developing center Trevor Zegras are still the subject of trade inquiries, Ducks general manager Pat Verbeek told The Athletic’s Pierre LeBrun during the ongoing scouting combine.

Both players have been the subjects of trade rumors in the past, especially Gibson, who seems to be on the block nearly every summer since his eight-year, $51.2MM extension began in 2019. the 23 year old Zegras also found his name in trade speculation last year after a lengthy contract battle that saw the restricted free agent miss most of training camp and preseason, finally putting pen to paper on a three-year, $17.25MM deal on Oct. 2.

Of course, receiving trade interest in players and actively shopping them are two completely different beasts. If Verbeek’s being transparent, only the former is at play here. With no rush to recoup value for either, as their signing rights are controlled for at least a few more seasons, this summer doesn’t seem to be a missed opportunity for a move.


John Gibson @ $6,400,000 & Trevor Zegras @$ $5,750,000 = $12.15 mil or Mitch Marner raise to $12.250 mil (approx ?).