Player Discussion Mitch Marner - On Hiatus

[QJo]

Please don't take this as a personal critique, but I felt I should post this response here.

It's a 100% Falsehood that it's a 60/40 split in favour of Marner being gone? It's a LOT more than that. WHY? It's OBVIOUS the OP has an agenda, and very likely works for a marketing company and has a personal vested interest in Marner staying . Don't forget, I have been employed in an organization in a previous life that has been responsible for writing polling language in order to influence public opinion. Questions are PURPOSELY written to be ambiguous so pollsters can "interpret" the polls in favour of the organization that commissioned the poll (he who pays the piper calls the tune) or else pollsters would quickly go out of business.

Now let's examine the PLAIN LANGUAGE OF THE POLL to determine where the ambiguity lies.

QUESTION: Will Marner be traded THIS OFFSEASON.

Notice the clear intent. Focus on the two words "this offseason". Now. let's look at the wording of the "options".

Option 1: Yes, he will be moved. Pretty straightforward. A t 52.6% it's already the most popular opinion. Hang on, stay with me....

Option 3: No, and he will be re-signed.

At 17.7%. Again, pretty straightforward. These are the responders that are CLEARLY in favour of Marner staying.

Option 4: Yes, re-signed and moved. These people are CLEARY, like the ones who answered in favour of option 1, among those who want Marner OUT but want to try to get a better possible return.

Now we come to the "fudge factor" question, the question that, (judging by the comments on this thread as proof) caused the most confusion, that is the ambiguous option...

No, he will stay. It garnered 23.5% of responses..... the second most popular response. It wasn't worded "No he will stay this season to serve out the remainder of his contract and not be re-signed" as a specific, unambiguous option like the other 3 options were.. The language was left ambiguous ON PURPOSE so it could be spun as a win by the OP as supporting his side of the Marner argument which supports Marner staying. As a matter of fact, he tried to spin it as such in one of his responses but he fell flat because even without the support of his ambiguous question, HE LOST.

Now, go thru the comments on this thread as I did and watch the confusion on OPTION 2 on the votes by posters unsure where to cast their vote, and the vague canned response by OP... which was ALWAYS "Option 2".

Polls play you, everywhere, all the time, on any subject, folks.

Judging by the actual comments on this thread by posters' who voted for option 2 and couldn't or didn't change their vote I opine that around 75- 80% in fact want Marner GONE.

Wow, it's just a poll, a conversation starter. It worked, it's a busy thread. I think there's less confusion about what the options are and more confusion about whether or not it's possible to win or lose at gauging what people think will happen. I'd be shocked if he was smuggly thinking he WON this poll whatever that would even mean.

That being said it's probably more valuable in a chat forum to poll what people think should happen since we have no influential power. But I didn't make the poll so .

 

[ZEBROA]

I honestly don't think they will give one iota of a f**k

Trust me they will when they get wiser and older. 20+ is the know it all, stupid age. In the 40+ they will understand, they could have it all.

A little playlist for them to cry to in there 2mill car.
Trust - Megadeth
wake me up - Madilyn Baily
Know it all - Billy Strings
Rolling in the deep - Adele

Heard a lot of old NHL guys wishing they did more to win. They will join that crowd.

 

[francis246]

https://post.futurimedia.com/chumam/playlist/listen-50308.html

26 minute mark for those that didn’t believe me about agents and player associations having power to influence signings. They spoke about this topic randomly today on overdrive in the third hour, couldn’t believe it. But Steve Sands reiterates what I said this morning.

 

[Notsince67]

No shit Sherlock. In other news, 2+2=4. Thanks for sharing, let us know if and when you have more eureka moments you wish to share.

Don't start gaslighting the turd you stepped on. Literacy is important on an internet forum. Something about staying silent and look like a fool vs saying something and removing all doubt.

 

[Notsince67]

Ottawa is a great fit for Mitchy, and Tkachuk would be a nice piece for the Leafs, but he’s flawed. Maybe Berube could turn him into great player.
I wish Sanderson was available, he might be a good one in a few yrs.

Ottawa is a shithole town. Zero chance anyone with a lot of options who isnt from there, signs with them.

 

[bax]

I have a hard time believing that Marner, who grew up a leafs fan and is from here, would even begin to entertain the idea of adding Ottawa of all places to his list of teams he’d be willing to be traded to.

 

[Apex Predator]

I have a hard time believing that Marner, who grew up a leafs fan and is from here, would even begin to entertain the idea of adding Ottawa of all places to his list of teams he’d be willing to be traded to.

To spite the leafs

 

[ruaware41]

I don't know if you can compare 900k to the 3 mill over pay to marner the 3 years missing for matthews and the unnecessary jt contract as a whole but I get where your coming from

If you compare it like that I see your point. I’m more so looking at it from a precedent perspective though you could reasonably argue the Tavares contract started it and Nylander just gave the final push to fully open the flood gates of prioritizing the dough

 

[rumman]

To spite the leafs

This imo isn’t a real threat in any shape or form, just need to put the body to him a couple times and he’ll disappear like a fart in the wind……..

 

[thewave]

If you compare it like that I see your point. I’m more so looking at it from a precedent perspective though you could reasonably argue the Tavares contract started it and Nylander just gave the final push to fully open the flood gates of prioritizing the dough

Shanahan with Dubas running cover started it all. An ex player with a trained player agent take over management in Toronto and suddenly league related pay to players goes up astronomically in some markets.

Nothing to see here. Those are not wolves among the sheep.

 

[rumman]

Shanahan with Dubas running cover started it all. An ex player with a trained player agent take over management in Toronto and suddenly league related pay to players goes up astronomically in some markets.

Nothing to see here. Those are not wolves among the sheep.

Maybe they’re both NHLPA plants?

 

[thewave]

Maybe they’re both NHLPA plants?

I doubt it. Just stupid owners and hires who think from the players perspective first. Not a good idea. Its like a company hiring a Union rep to manage.

Its funny but its Toronto.

 

[Nineteen67]

Ottawa is a shithole town. Zero chance anyone with a lot of options who isnt from there, signs with them.

True, but he grew up in the Toronto area and still lives there, wouldn’t be too big of an adjustment.

 

[Mess]

I have a hard time believing that Marner, who grew up a leafs fan and is from here, would even begin to entertain the idea of adding Ottawa of all places to his list of teams he’d be willing to be traded to.

If he wants to stay close to friends and family, continue to keep his home and cottage and his off-ice life fairly stable that would be the team he should put on.

 

[Trapper]

If he wants to stay close to friends and family, continue to keep his home and cottage and his off-ice life fairly stable that would be the team he should put on.

Ottawa or Buffalo give you all that proximity.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

He's gone fellas. Or at least no extension will be there for him. Our president didn't mince words, he said everything is on the table and the time for patience has come to an end.

This does not translate to, "We are happy that Mitch put up zero points in game 6 and 7 and are pleased to pay him 100M"

 

[bax]

If he wants to stay close to friends and family, continue to keep his home and cottage and his off-ice life fairly stable that would be the team he should put on.

He’s worth a fortune. He can keep his home and cottage. His career has maybe 10 years left? He has an entire lifetime after to live in Toronto. I’ll be shocked if he agrees to go to Ottawa.

To spite the leafs

Wouldn’t he rather go somewhere that he has a chance of winning if that’s his mindset?

 

[57 Years No Cup]

He’s worth a fortune. He can keep his home and cottage. His career has maybe 10 years left? He has an entire lifetime after to live in Toronto. I’ll be shocked if he agrees to go to Ottawa.

Where do you think he'll agree to go?

 

[ACC1224]

He’s worth a fortune. He can keep his home and cottage. His career has maybe 10 years left? He has an entire lifetime after to live in Toronto. I’ll be shocked if he agrees to go to Ottawa.


Wouldn’t he rather go somewhere that he has a chance of winning if that’s his mindset?

He's not going to do anything out of 'spite', that would be idiotic.

 

[Apex Predator]

He’s worth a fortune. He can keep his home and cottage. His career has maybe 10 years left? He has an entire lifetime after to live in Toronto. I’ll be shocked if he agrees to go to Ottawa.


Wouldn’t he rather go somewhere that he has a chance of winning if that’s his mindset?

That was more a joke than a serious comment. Should have put an emoji at the end. If this scenario did happen and Ottawa won with Marner before the leafs that would be a tough one to endure for the leafs and fans.

He's not going to do anything out of 'spite', that would be idiotic.

To be fair it’s not like Marner has shown to be that smart lol

 

[notDatsyuk]

Please don't take this as a personal critique, but I felt I should post this response here.

It's a 100% Falsehood that it's a 60/40 split in favour of Marner being gone? It's a LOT more than that. WHY? It's OBVIOUS the OP has an agenda, and very likely works for a marketing company and has a personal vested interest in Marner staying . Don't forget, I have been employed in an organization in a previous life that has been responsible for writing polling language in order to influence public opinion. Questions are PURPOSELY written to be ambiguous so pollsters can "interpret" the polls in favour of the organization that commissioned the poll (he who pays the piper calls the tune) or else pollsters would quickly go out of business.

Now let's examine the PLAIN LANGUAGE OF THE POLL to determine where the ambiguity lies.

QUESTION: Will Marner be traded THIS OFFSEASON.

Notice the clear intent. Focus on the two words "this offseason". Now. let's look at the wording of the "options".

Option 1: Yes, he will be moved. Pretty straightforward. A t 52.6% it's already the most popular opinion. Hang on, stay with me....

Option 3: No, and he will be re-signed.

At 17.7%. Again, pretty straightforward. These are the responders that are CLEARLY in favour of Marner staying.

Option 4: Yes, re-signed and moved. These people are CLEARY, like the ones who answered in favour of option 1, among those who want Marner OUT but want to try to get a better possible return.

Now we come to the "fudge factor" question, the question that, (judging by the comments on this thread as proof) caused the most confusion, that is the ambiguous option...

No, he will stay. It garnered 23.5% of responses..... the second most popular response. It wasn't worded "No he will stay this season to serve out the remainder of his contract and not be re-signed" as a specific, unambiguous option like the other 3 options were.. The language was left ambiguous ON PURPOSE so it could be spun as a win by the OP as supporting his side of the Marner argument which supports Marner staying. As a matter of fact, he tried to spin it as such in one of his responses but he fell flat because even without the support of his ambiguous question, HE LOST.

Now, go thru the comments on this thread as I did and watch the confusion on OPTION 2 on the votes by posters unsure where to cast their vote, and the vague canned response by OP... which was ALWAYS "Option 2".

Polls play you, everywhere, all the time, on any subject, folks.

Judging by the actual comments on this thread by posters' who voted for option 2 and couldn't or didn't change their vote I opine that around 75- 80% in fact want Marner GONE.

I think you missed the most obvious (to me anyway) problem with the poll, and specifically how the results are being interpreted.

The poll does NOT ask whether you want to keep Marner, or even if you think it's a good idea for the team to keep him.

The poll asks what you think the TEAM will do!

I haven't picked an option, but if I had to, I would say the team will most likely keep him. I think that would be the wrong decision, and absolutely NOT MY PREFERENCE, but I think that's the correct answer to the question asked.

That's the problem, and why I didn't answer. If I correctly (imo) answered 'keep him' then I think many posters would assume I want him to stay.

Was it intentionally misleading, or did the OP just word it poorly?

 

[rumman]

True, but he grew up in the Toronto area and still lives there, wouldn’t be too big of an adjustment.

Zing……..

Ottawa or Buffalo give you all that proximity.

Owen Power please…….

 

[JKG33]

Nothing Marners ever done has indicated he gives a shit about winning in the playoffs. If he did, we wouldn't be running him outta town.

I think he wants to get the highest payday possible, and be the star of his own show. I really think he ends up in Anaheim. Big payday, chill California lifestyle, and what I think will really sell him is the idea of getting to be the ring leader for the two Marner Jr's already there (Zegras and Gauthier).

Problem is Anaheim has 0 incentive to pay up in a trade

 

[HamiltonNHL]

@Mess

Darren Ferris isn't Marner

There is a lack of discussion about Ferris. Title searching did not have one thread on this character.

Not to mention he's going to be important over the next few months.

He deserves his own thread.

 

[ACC1224]

I think you missed the most obvious (to me anyway) problem with the poll, and specifically how the results are being interpreted.

The poll does NOT ask whether you want to keep Marner, or even if you think it's a good idea for the team to keep him.

The poll asks what you think the TEAM will do!

I haven't picked an option, but if I had to, I would say the team will most likely keep him. I think that would be the wrong decision, and absolutely NOT MY PREFERENCE, but I think that's the correct answer to the question asked.

That's the problem, and why I didn't answer. If I correctly (imo) answered 'keep him' then I think many posters would assume I want him to stay.

Was it intentionally misleading, or did the OP just word it poorly?

Question seemed pretty clear, what will the Team do? Has nothing to do with what individuals want, as mentioned, that has been and continues to be beaten to death.