Player Discussion Mitch Marner - On Hiatus

[Craig Button]

If they love the city enough, there's nothing to stop them. They can fire their agent. They can tell the PA to shove it. They just don't love the city that much.....

Or maybe just maybe….
They value their life more than the mental health of some fans

 

[rumman]

This thread is going to be electric when Frank Seravalli tweets "Marner has waived his NMC and provided a list of teams".

like a kid waiting for Christmas to arrive................

It’s gonna be ugly imo

He dropped off immediately after resigning.

yup, unless by some miracle Chief gets him to buy in on oldtime hockey, which I doubt will happen............

 

[Mess]

The Leafs are the masters of illogical.
1. Ok, that didn’t work so let’s give the core a new coach.
2. That didn’t work so let’s give the core a new GM.
3. That didn’t work so let’s give the core new depth.
4. That didn’t work so let’s give the core more snot.
Return to step 1.

- The Director on Amateur Scouting who drafted Marner from his former London Knights in Mark Hunter is GONE !!
- The then acting in-term GM at draft time in 2015, and former GM that signed Marner to his current overpaid contract Kyle Dubas is GONE !!
- The coach who delivered all these disappointing playoff team results and that gave Marner all his TOI/g and opportunities to produce in Sheldon Keefe is GONE !!

The former Marner support & chain of command tree that controlled both Marner's arrival and his current future are all GONE !!

There simply are no more direct ties (other then inherited with the job) for new GM Brad Treliving, new Coach Craig Berube and current Director of Wes Clark to show or require loyalty obligation to Marner's Leafs future to prevent them from wanting to take the team in new direction of their own choosing.

Basically there is no obligation that Treliving be forced to give Marner a raise based on a previous GM evaluation, nor a new coach Berube who wants to play a big, heavy physical dump and chase system to be forced to integrate Marner into that system which many would realize is not his style to excel in, and a future amateur scouting staff now given new marching orders to find future players that fit the vision of the team going forward.

We seemed to have reached a crossroads of "Out with the Old and in with the New" with only a 1 year NMC standing in the way of desired change even if Marner does not like that.

 

[ToneDog]

The Nylander story still has eight years to play out before the story’s over. He was pathetic the first yesr on that contract, barely acceptable the next couple, and full value the last year. What the next eight years brings is anybody’s guess. Nylander and consistantcy have never occupied the same space…….

If I were to bet, I'd bet the next 8 years of Nylander are better than the next 8 years of Marner. This from a guy who ripped him daily after he signed, came in out of shape and was virtually useless against the Bruins in the playoffs. He could have been the difference between losing and winning that series but he was a flop.

 

[MCR74]

I'm preparing for disappointment.

Why would Mitch leave? So what if he does absolutely jack shit when it matters most (soon as the paychecks stop coming in)? $11M+ to work from September-April, then flake off to the cottage the day after the team is eliminated sounds like a pretty good life to me. I wouldn't want to give it up either.

He accepts a trade to another team, and their coach/GM might actually expect him to show up. Why risk it?

 

[rumman]

If I were to bet, I'd bet the next 8 years of Nylander are better than the next 8 years of Marner. This from a guy who ripped him daily after he signed, came in out of shape and was virtually useless against the Bruins in the playoffs. He could have been the difference between losing and winning that series but he was a flop.

I equate this with having no good option, both overpaid, both inconsistent, both indifferent to losing, both shy away from physical contact. What's there to like, and worse who to choose. Do you want a root canal or a tooth extraction? No freezing with either..........

 

[Clark4Ever]

I'm preparing for disappointment.

Why would Mitch leave? So what if he does absolutely jack shit when it matters most (soon as the paychecks stop coming in)? $11M+ to work from September-April, then flake off to the cottage the day after the team is eliminated sounds like a pretty good life to me. I wouldn't want to give it up either.

He accepts a trade to another team, and their coach/GM might actually expect him to show up. Why risk it?

His current coach will demand no less...

 

[MCR74]

His current coach will demand no less...

Could you imagine the audacity of stapling Boy Wonder to the bench hard?

 

[ACC1224]

His current coach will demand no less...

yep, from them all. Coach will have no issue with Marner, he's always been a hard working, two way player.

 

[Clark4Ever]

yep, from them all. Coach will have no issue with Marner, he's always been a hard working, two way player.

I've never had issues with his work ethic, but he has always been afraid to get his hands dirty...

 

[ACC1224]

I've never had issues with his work ethic, but he has always been afraid to get his hands dirty...

Yeah I wouldn't say afraid but it's not his game for sure. Still tends to be at or near the top in takeaways every year though.

 

[Pinkcat]

I absolutely hate it when they have Rielly and Marner on the point. Teams can just assume pass and they are correct 99.9% of the time.

The Leafs badly need someone who can and will shoot on the point for the PP.

I also hate it when the first pass on entry into the O-zone is to Tavares who invariably mishandles the pass and it ends up getting cleared.

 

[Tak7]

Sure ok.

Agents and players don't need scheduled meetings with team to talk, meet, do some publicity thing, do some charity thing, etc etc etc. But sure, call BS dude.

I have zero reason to think they'd be lying. Do you?

I believe them when they say they want to make big changes, and I believe them when they say they no longer have the time for patience. But I also believe them when they say they want to take their time and evaluate everything.

They might have put some soft feelers right already, but no, I don't think they would have had any serious conversations or at player/agent conversations until after, at the very least, the pro meetings, so that they'd have a good idea of what they'd potentially want to target should they go down the trade route.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Nice try though

But, but, but....

His agent allowed it, the NHLPA wasn't up his ass and probably his family was ok.

Nice try though .

 

[Dreakmur]

Or maybe just maybe….
They value their life more than the mental health of some fans

You can come up with a million reasons… but they all come at the expense of loving the city enough to sacrifice those things…

 

[keonsbitterness]

Basically there is no obligation that Treliving be forced to give Marner a raise based on a previous GM evaluation, nor a new coach Berube who wants to play a big, heavy physical dump and chase system to be forced to integrate Marner into that system which many would realize is not his style to excel in, and a future amateur scouting staff now given new marching orders to find future players that fit the vision of the team going forward.

The "obligation" is the possibility of losing him for nothing if Marner refuses to waive. The Leafs generally avoid risk.

 

[Antropovsky]

Two consecutive years of fans on this board voting 60+% in favor of Marner being moved. Pretty telling.

 

[Craig Button]

You can come up with a million reasons… but they all come at the expense of loving the city enough to sacrifice those things…

The city or the Leafs?

because loving the city of Toronto is pretty hard to do.

 

[Arzak]

Yeah I wouldn't say afraid but it's not his game for sure. Still tends to be at or near the top in takeaways every year though.

It walks like a duck...

 

[Mess]

The "obligation" is the possibility of losing him for nothing if Marner refuses to waive. The Leafs generally avoid risk.

Caught between a Rock and a Hard place.

If Marner refuses to waive then Leafs management hands are tied and only options are..

1) Allow him to become a UFA and then uses recaptured $10.9 mil cap space on replacement players via UFA signings or other means.

2) Offer him a future contract that Marner would be willing to sign (with an implied raise) and also having future NMC clauses, essentially doubling down on a situation they would be attempting to get out of by wanting to trade him.

Can't see how Marner's next contract demands other then a sign and trade agreement to his next team now, that would make both sides happy, where Marner gets $$ and Term he wants and Leafs get to move on and rebuild the team without him as their vision takes them. The "risk" portion is the same to MLSE as Marner saying I refuse to waive my NMC as that only leaves option #1 walk away if they want to move on from Marner now.,

 

[saffronleaf]

Or maybe just maybe….
They value their life more than the mental health of some fans

the only thing they value is money. greedy bunch

 

[rumman]

Two consecutive years of fans on this board voting 60+% in favor of Marner being moved. Pretty telling.

It’s the 40% that are in love with the players as opposed to the team that can’t accept these guys can’t get it done……..

 

[rumman]

the only thing they value is money. greedy bunch

Roger that…….

 

[Notsince67]

It’s the 40% that are in love with the players as opposed to the team that can’t accept these guys can’t get it done……..

I thought the poll was an opinion, not an advocacy. Seems wierd people think his trade is driven by some kind of HFboard democracy.

 

[Trapper]

It’s the 40% that are in love with the players as opposed to the team that can’t accept these guys can’t get it done……..

That’s common when your franchise has been a train wreck for years.
Without team success, the only thing some people have to hold onto is individual.

When your team has success, moves get done without arguing about it for 8 years.
Once you have established something that works, players can move in and out.
We haven’t established that yet so people are afraid of who to move.