Player Discussion Mitch Marner - On Hiatus

[francis246]

I don't even know what you're talking about any more but if my posts upset you then feel free to not read them. You're the one who used words like "literally" and "specific" so you shouldn't have an issue with me holding people to what they say.

As far as what people on the main boards are saying, who cares? And why is the suggestion that he won't be signed for 12 million so outrageous? I don't think he's guaranteed to get that much so what's the problem?

It’s fine, we can just agree to disagree, not trying to go back to a really negative place between us like last off-season.

I’ve said my piece about players heading into UFA not giving up money. You disagree, that’s fine. That can be the end of it.

 

[saffronleaf]

trade this loser

 

[rumman]

I'm glad those fans didn't get their way on Nylander

The Nylander story still has eight years to play out before the story’s over. He was pathetic the first yesr on that contract, barely acceptable the next couple, and full value the last year. What the next eight years brings is anybody’s guess. Nylander and consistantcy have never occupied the same space…….

 

[saffronleaf]

Yeah the Willie overpay was nothing compared to the Marner, Matthews and Tavares overpays. I did not believe we would be victims of the cap when many fans were saying it, but we were. It is truly a sad ending unless Tre and Berube can get us out of this mess.


Korshkov over Debrincat. Dermott over Aho. Lily over Thomas. Scott over Swayman. The list goes on and on for this incompetant organization.

just hearing the name dermott makes my blood boil. f***ing piece of shit twirling in the d zone. god damnit.

 

[Gary Nylund]

It’s fine, we can just agree to disagree, not trying to go back to a really negative place between us like last off-season.

I’ve said my piece about players heading into UFA not giving up money. You disagree, that’s fine. That can be the end of it.

I'm not sure how we got on this track but I think we mostly agree, let me clarify my position.

Marner's in his prime heading into UFA, there is no reason to expect him to take less money than he made on his last contract. In that sense we're in complete agreement.

Some people think he's not worth the 11 million he's making now, I'm in that camp myself.

Some people might be saying he "should take less", I would say that nobody has the right to tell him what he should or shouldn't do. That said, if people are saying that he should take less if he wants to stay in Toronto, I completely understand what they're thinking. I don't see it happening, but I get what they're saying.

IMO we just can't afford to pay top dollar for a player who we can't count on when the chips are down, simple as that and even if he was willing to sign for say a 9x8 "discount", even that would be hard for me to stomach at this point.

 

[saffronleaf]

The Nylander story still has eight years to play out before the story’s over. He was pathetic the first yesr on that contract, barely acceptable the next couple, and full value the last year. What the next eight years brings is anybody’s guess. Nylander and consistantcy have never occupied the same space…….

that's what I love about mitch, he's very consistent. come playoff time, you can count on him doing jack shit.

 

[ToneDog]

Straight from Tre's Dad's Pizza place.

 

[Mess]

If you wanna pick a part a few words and nit pick phrasing, go ahead man. I haven’t changed anything. We are talking about Marner who is a star going into his contract that overlaps with UFA. Not a guy who has already made money on the back end of his career. Obviously when making comparisons I’m talking about players who are in the same situation or were in Marner’s situation previously. They didn’t go backwards from their previous contract. McDavid, Draisaitl, MacKinnon, Rantanen, Point, Aho. Whoever else you wanna point out, on their current extensions they didn’t extend for less than money than what they were making prior to the extension. Which is what some people are asking Marner to do and that’s never going to happen.

Leo Draisaitl ---------> ELC ----> 8 years @ $8.5 mil --------> 3rd contract .......................[

points]
Mikko Rantanen ------>ELC ----> 6 years @ $9.25 mil ------> 3rd contract ........................[

points] + 1 Stanley Cup
Brayden Point --------> ELC ----> 3 years @ $6.75 mil ------> 8 years @ $9.5 mil ........ [

points] + 2 X Stanley Cups
Sebastion Aho -------> ELC -----> 5 years @ $8.45 mil -----> 6 years @ $9.75 mil ...... [

points]
Matthew Tkachuk ----> ELC -----> 3 years @ $7.0 mil ------> 8 years @ $9.50 mil ...... [

points]

vs

Mitch Marner ------> ELC ------> 6 years @ $10.9 mil ------> 3rd contract ...................... [

points] + 1 playoff round win

The record shows that Marner is the HIGHEST paid and LEAST productive player with the LEAST productive team results.

Most people understand that Marner's 2nd contract was an over-payment (above compatibles support) so now the options are double down and overpay him on his 3rd contract or move on from him because of the desire for the Leafs to have MORE playoff success and Marner's playoff contribution are the lowest of all his above comparables.

Because Marner was overpaid on his current contract now it means Leafs must overpay him on his 3rd because players get raises regardless or results/production ?
or
Instead of "2 wrongs don't make a right" and for the desire for the Leafs to get better production for their Cap $ buck and Leafs greater playoff results you trade him and move on?

1) Those Leafs fans that want Marner to stay, and believe he deserves to get a nice raise [$12.5 mil ???] need to explain how this helps the Leafs become more successful when he uses up even more Cap Space for the least productive comparable?

2) Of those comparable players above who would you rather have instead of Marner for Cap or Contract or Production reasons?

PS. If the Leafs could theoretically deal Marner 1-1 for any of those players above they would gain more production and lower Cap hit to do so. None of those teams that own those players above would deal their player for Marner in a 1-1 straight up deal. IMO

 

[Gary Nylund]

The Nylander story still has eight years to play out before the story’s over. He was pathetic the first yesr on that contract, barely acceptable the next couple, and full value the last year. What the next eight years brings is anybody’s guess. Nylander and consistantcy have never occupied the same space…….

Yeah, you can say that again. I have been very happy with him last few years but now with that contract, expectations are so much higher that it's going to be very hard for him to live up to it. And it will be interesting to see what his relationship with Berube will look like, I'll just leave it at that.

that's what I love about mitch, he's very consistent. come playoff time, you can count on him doing jack shit.

Yeah not sure whether to laugh or cry at this. My first instinct was to laugh so I guess that's a good sign.

I really, really hope Marner isn't still a member of this team 6 weeks from now. I need some reason to hope for something good to happen next season.

 

[ULF_55]

Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Willy. Their sign is $$$$.

Just a slight correction, until next season (July 2024) it is:

Matthews (11.6),Tavares (11), marner (10.9), Rielly (7.5).

I know, I know just that some people only pay attention to the screaming and get wrapped up in the hysteria. Like the Shoppers is hiring volunteers to work in their Pharmacies for free lie that so many people jumped on with no follow-up when it was proven false.

 

[egd27]

I said it yesterday I will never understand how we went from offering Stamkos 9.5 the summer before to offering Tavares 11.5 the following season. In hindsight if you look at it from that angle it’s not a surprise we are in this mess

Pretty simple really. The first was offered by an experienced GM that had nothing to prove, the second was offered by an inexperienced GM that wanted to look like a hero.

 

[notdoneyet]

The Nylander story still has eight years to play out before the story’s over. He was pathetic the first yesr on that contract, barely acceptable the next couple, and full value the last year. What the next eight years brings is anybody’s guess. Nylander and consistantcy have never occupied the same space…….

He is now going to under the microscope just like the rest. For 11.5 he can’t disappear for 10 games like he has done in the past. No more early zone exits. Defense will definitely have to improve. No excuses now

 

[Superstar]

Imo they made two mistakes that set them back. Trading back from the Konecny pick in 2016. You had a chance to walk away with Marner and Konecny. You then could have flipped either one for that defenseman.

Then trading Kadri for peanuts. Essentially trading him just to trade him. Two biggest mistakes and poor asset management

The irony is Sakic ended up fleecing Dubas on the Kadri trade...and it was Colorado who'd wanted to hire Dubas when Shanahan said no...Colorado should count their blessings because Dubas would have ruined that team and prevented them from winning the Cup...Babcock was so upset when he got Tyson Barrie because he knew the team needed more players that play a heavier game, especially on d, not another smurf...Kadri should have netted AT LEAST a young top-4 competent dman or a 2nd line centre.

 

[ToneDog]

The irony is Sakic ended up fleecing Dubas on the Kadri trade...and it was Colorado who'd wanted to hire Dubas when Shanahan said no...Colorado should count their blessings because Dubas would have ruined that team and prevented them from winning the Cup...Babcock was so upset when he got Tyson Barrie because he knew the team needed more players that play a heavier game, especially on d, not another smurf...Kadri should have netted AT LEAST a young top-4 competent dman or a 2nd line centre.

That 2nd line centre was Kerfoot. LOL. Now we are paying Kerfoot $11m to shit the bed in the playoffs.

 

[Superstar]

That 2nd line centre was Kerfoot. LOL. Now we are paying Kerfoot $11m to shit the bed in the playoffs.

I guess if Dubas had fudged and smeared the numbers for Kerfoot on a spreadsheet, he was a decent 2nd line centre...

 

[MCR74]

that's what I love about mitch, he's very consistent. come playoff time, you can count on him doing jack shit.

This is the rationale Treliving shoudd use if Marner wants to re-up.

 

[rumman]

This is the rationale Treliving shoudd use if Marner wants to re-up.

they can't possibly be thinking of resigning this slug, I mean that's way worse thean losing him for nothing.............

 

[MCR74]

they can't possibly be thinking of resigning this slug, I mean that's way worse thean losing him for nothing.............

Nothing surprises me with this team anymore...

 

[rumman]

Nothing surprises me with this team anymore...

 

[ToneDog]

This is the rationale Treliving shoudd use if Marner wants to re-up.

Yeah but Marner will counter, I am a 100 point player. I put up almost as many points as Matthews and more than Nylander. Pay me.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

This thread is going to be electric when Frank Seravalli tweets "Marner has waived his NMC and provided a list of teams".

 

[MCR74]

Yeah but Marner will counter, I am a 100 point player. I put up almost as many points as Matthews and more than Nylander. Pay me.

"Yes you are. Now how many of those points translate in the playoffs?".

They have to get rid of him. The thought of re-upping Marner to $12M+ just for him to do jack shit in the post-season for 8 more years is sickening.

This thread is going to be electric when Frank Seravalli tweets "Marner has waived his NMC and provided a list of teams".

He better tweet it soon.

 

[ToneDog]

they can't possibly be thinking of resigning this slug, I mean that's way worse thean losing him for nothing.............

A more expensive Johnny Gaudreau and Alex Kerfoot in the playoffs. I'd say Huberdeau but that guy put up 115 points playing with Barkov and Reinhart. Marner can't put up 100 playing with a 50+, 60, 69 goal scorer. Yeah let's pay him again and enjoy more playoff hissy fits.

This thread is going to be electric when Frank Seravalli tweets "Marner has waived his NMC and provided a list of teams".

There are going to be many tears shed or lots of crow to munch on.

 

[ToneDog]

"Yes you are. Now how many of those points translate in the playoffs?".

They have to get rid of him. The thought of re-upping Marner to $12M+ just for him to do jack shit in the post-season for 8 more years is sickening.



He better tweet it soon.

I almost puked when I heard he had signed for $11m. I might go into convulsions if he signs for $12.5m here.

 

[BraveCanadian]

The Nylander story still has eight years to play out before the story’s over. He was pathetic the first yesr on that contract, barely acceptable the next couple, and full value the last year. What the next eight years brings is anybody’s guess. Nylander and consistantcy have never occupied the same space…….

It’s gonna be ugly imo

He dropped off immediately after resigning.