Player Discussion Mitch Marner - On Hiatus

Will Marner be traded this off season?


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MCR74

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Kadri was a warrior for us, but he kept getting suspended and wasn't there when we needed him. Unreliable, which is a real shame because he had the temperament (PISS AND VINEGAR) that we so desperately need. Much like Marner should be, Kadri was fired.

And I just want to defend Kerfoot a bit here. He was one of our best players during the Montreal series. 1g 5a, playing 17 minutes a night, while Marner had 0g 4a, playing 24 minutes a night. By no means is Kerfoot a particularly effective player, but Marner in the playoffs is an active drain on the team and would have been better as a healthy scratch in Game 7 against Montreal or Game 3 against Florida (as examples). Even at his worst Kerfoot was at least playable.

Good points.

Kadri may have been seen as a playoff warrior, but was always suspended when the Leafs needed him most. I get the team has to play through adversity, but having your best players out due to their own stupidity isn't cool. Why keep Marner around (for more money) if all we get is minimal effort in the playoffs? I don't get the sense Mitch cares of the post-season.
 

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Good points.

Kadri may have been seen as a playoff warrior, but was always suspended when the Leafs needed him most. I get the team has to play through adversity, but having your best players out due to their own stupidity isn't cool. Why keep Marner around (for more money) if all we get is minimal effort in the playoffs? I don't get the sense Mitch cares of the post-season.
When I saw the clip of Matty and the other Leafs players engaged in a scrum while Marner is standing 10 feet away starring into the stands, it was all I needed to see. Not winning with that guy. Sorry folks.
 

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The media is reporting the Leafs aren't actively talking about Marner trades.
Should I be worried ?

I guess the smart move for the team is to wait for July 1st ?

I take comfort in the fact that no one at MLSE has stated emphatically that Mitch is going nowhere and/or that their intention is to re-sign him.

This despite plenty of speculation in the media and by fans about it. This suggests to me the theory put forth by someone (on TSN, can't remember who) that the Leafs are silent in hopes that GMs will contact them first, instead of shopping him around (which lessens their bargaining position and looks bad to Mitch for obvious reasons).

Then with a firm trade offer in hand, Treliving can go to Marner's camp and give him the speech about how they would love to keep him, etc. but the other team will give him an extension the Leafs simply can't afford. Or some variation of that.
 
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The media is reporting the Leafs aren't actively talking about Marner trades.
Should I be worried ?

I guess the smart move for the team is to wait for July 1st ?
If we are to believe them on face value, then there's no reason to be worried - seems like they've been very focused on the coaching vacancy so far this summer.

But that shouldn't prohibit them from at least gauging interest around the league. Frankly, it's steps that they should have already done, with most of their players.

Any potential Marner trade will almost certainly occur after July 1st. He'll only be owed $775k in salary next year after that trade.
 

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Leafs are on the hook to pay his bonus on July 1st so we wait.


Kadri = playoff warrior. Dubas dumps him and brings in two playoff wimps. Funny Bourne saying we are paying Kerfoot $11m when referring to Marner during the playoffs.
That’s a really good comparison by Bourne.
 
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If we are to believe them on face value, then there's no reason to be worried - seems like they've been very focused on the coaching vacancy so far this summer.

But that shouldn't prohibit them from at least gauging interest around the league. Frankly, it's steps that they should have already done, with most of their players.

Any potential Marner trade will almost certainly occur after July 1st. He'll only be owed $775k in salary next year after that trade.
Not only a marner trade will happen after July 1st, it’ll be more like end of the summer trade as why would a team trade assets for marner when you can shop ufa for free.
 
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Based on many of the posts here, this should be stickied.

I think when people keep calling out mistakes, embarassment becomes a catalyst for change. The fact that this thread finally has a "snark free" title is an example of this effect, hopefully Marner agreeing to waive his NMC will be another.
some here have a unnecessary air of arrogance that rubs me the wrong way, the holier than thou attitude is a bad look imo............
 

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I take comfort in the fact that no one at MLSE has stated emphatically that Mitch is going nowhere and/or that their intention is to re-sign him.

This despite plenty of speculation in the media and by fans about it. This suggests to me the theory put forth by someone (on TSN, can't remember who) that the Leafs are silent in hopes that GMs will contact them first, instead of shopping him around (which lessens their bargaining position and looks bad to Mitch for obvious reasons).

Then with a firm trade offer in hand, Treliving can go to Marner's camp and give him the speech about how they would love to keep him, etc. but the other team will give him an extension the Leafs simply can't afford. Or some variation of that.
If a GM contacts them about a signed player who is not a free agent isn't that tampering?
 

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When I saw the clip of Matty and the other Leafs players engaged in a scrum while Marner is standing 10 feet away starring into the stands, it was all I needed to see. Not winning with that guy. Sorry folks.
Which clip? There's a few, you need to be more specific.
 
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Kadri was a warrior for us, but he kept getting suspended and wasn't there when we needed him. Unreliable, which is a real shame because he had the temperament (PISS AND VINEGAR) that we so desperately need. Much like Marner should be, Kadri was fired.

And I just want to defend Kerfoot a bit here. He was one of our best players during the Montreal series. 1g 5a, playing 17 minutes a night, while Marner had 0g 4a, playing 24 minutes a night. By no means is Kerfoot a particularly effective player, but Marner in the playoffs is an active drain on the team and would have been better as a healthy scratch in Game 7 against Montreal or Game 3 against Florida (as examples). Even at his worst Kerfoot was at least playable.
Kadri's suspensions say more about the team's cowardice than anything else. Only guy who actually stepped up for teammates, even in his suspensions first time was Marner getting mugged by Wingels and other Bruins bitches, second time was DeBrusk almost pulling a Chara/Pacioretty on a respected vet like Marleau and running around all game like the rat he is. Sure, he was a bit of a hothead, but can't deny he bled blue and white and cared, and hated to lose. Needed more guys like him, not less. Maybe if it wasn't all left to him then those suspensions wouldn't have happened.
 

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That's what I mean. Losing Marner leaves a huge hole in our lineup. Replacing him with unknown commodities by a GM with Trelivings track record doesn't give me any source of comfort.
The idea is to get back players who make up for Marner's playoff deficiencies at the cost of of losing his regular season production. Easier said than done, and with our luck he'll win five Cups on another team. But they gotta try something.
 

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Why is this guy still on the team.

Nobody wants him here. He can't win a damn thing. The fans don't even like him anymore.

It's only gonna get worse.

Every day Marmer remains on the team the outcry will get louder. He's become the figurehead of failure for this pathetic excuse of a contender. People ARE angry.

They're f***ING angry.

Marner is a big part of the reason why. His performance alone makes him a target. His condescending attitude towards accepting personal responsibility puts him directly in the crosshairs.

Bag him and tag him and get rid of him already.

Oh stop.

No trade is likely to be announced before July 1st, and certainly not when the NHL is deep into the playoffs.

Maybe go easy on the fabricated outrage until at least then.
 

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The idea is to get back players who make up for Marner's playoff deficiencies at the cost of of losing his regular season production. Easier said than done, and with our luck he'll win five Cups on another team. But they gotta try something.

If he does, his play certainly won't be a factor in those victories.
 
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some here have a unnecessary air of arrogance that rubs me the wrong way, the holier than thou attitude is a bad look imo............
Yes the conversations I've had here that I find to be the most rewarding (can't think of a better way of putting it) are the ones where people have opinions that are completely opposite of mine, but we both present our views politely, and with respect. And TBH I find it cowardly when people post these random "yelling at the clouds" posts where they're not even quoting anyone and say things like "some people just don't get it". We're all Maple Leaf fans here, millions of fans with millions of different POV's so why be condescending towards those that see things differently?

The idea is to get back players who make up for Marner's playoff deficiencies at the cost of of losing his regular season production. Easier said than done, and with our luck he'll win five Cups on another team. But they gotta try something.
Yes I always find it odd to read about any player moving leaving a "hole in the lineup". Players leave, others take their place, that's the way it's always been and the way it will always be. And it's not like we have some magic winning formula here so tampering with it is some huge risk. What we have ain't working so it's like you say - gotta try something.
 

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Leafs are on the hook to pay his bonus on July 1st so we wait.


Kadri = playoff warrior. Dubas dumps him and brings in two playoff wimps. Funny Bourne saying we are paying Kerfoot $11m when referring to Marner during the playoffs.

Not for the Leafs he wasn't. You completely missed my point.

The concept of replacing Kadri with a player who doesn't get suspended is somewhat comparable to replacing Marner with a player who might perform in tight games.

Kadri trade didn't work out due to targeted players, yes. It was still the right decision to move from him as it's the right decision to move off of Marner.
 

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Yes the conversations I've had here that I find to be the most rewarding (can't think of a better way of putting it) are the ones where people have opinions that are completely opposite of mine, but we both present our views politely, and with respect. And TBH I find it cowardly when people post these random "yelling at the clouds" posts where they're not even quoting anyone and say things like "some people just don't get it". We're all Maple Leaf fans here, millions of fans with millions of different POV's so why be condescending towards those that see things differently?


Yes I always find it odd to read about any player moving leaving a "hole in the lineup". Players leave, others take their place, that's the way it's always been and the way it will always be. And it's not like we have some magic winning formula here so tampering with it is some huge risk. What we have ain't working so it's like you say - gotta try something.
One of the major problems we’ve had with the Leafs for years is the steady pipeline of players already on the team ready to jump up the lineup. Knies is really about it. So when you trade someone, you have 2 guys fighting to move up. Like how Boston or Florida always seem to have that rookie defenseman inserted into the lineup. They move in that 3C that performs in the playoffs. We have to do a better job on backfill. Getting some A prospects for Marner would also be a good thing.
 
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Interesting and predictable...poster IPS is right...during playoffs when Marner sucked, his apologist were quiet...give it some time after Leafs get eliminated, Marner apologists come out again to prop him up as if he never sucked and say Leafs should not trade him...this Leafs team will go down the toilet if they re-sign Marner for another 8 years...imagine watching playoff Marner for another 8 years, a player who is not getting younger anymore and will be 36 years old if a contract like that ends.
 

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Matthews and Marner could both move into top 5 in all time Leaf scoring by the end of the season.
No doubt if they finish their careers here they will finish 1-2 all time. Pretty remarkable.

 

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Matthews and Marner could both move into top 5 in all time Leaf scoring by the end of the season.
No doubt if they finish their careers here they will finish 1-2 all time. Pretty remarkable.

It is very impressive, but regular season accolades only count for so much. The true legends of the game also led their teams to playoff success.
 

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It is very impressive, but regular season accolades only count for so much. The true legends of the game also led their teams to playoff success.
True enough, Leafs have a whole list of guys that failed in that regard.
 

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It is very impressive, but regular season accolades only count for so much. The true legends of the game also led their teams to playoff success.
You sound like Dave Keon. Matty 69 goals during the regular season. One in five games vs Bruins.

54 career goal pace regular season. 34 goal pace in playoffs.

You wanna be a legend. Win a cup,
 
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