Marner had a bad series, and I know the big boys are paid to execute. That being said, despite his underperforming, Marner DID set up Matthews and Hyman multiple times throughout the series for great chances. He set Hyman up twice in game 7 for a point blank chance on Price. Marner almost buried what likely would have been the series winner later in the 3rd on Price’s 5-hole. They had chances to completely flip the script but couldn’t bury and credit Price as well. I know Marner didn’t play well and it was obvious when watching the games, just pointing out the razor thin line between success and failure in the playoffs
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ShaneFalco
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Predictable, no shot, fly-bys when the checking gets tighter, didn't score on the PP the whole damn year - $11 million folks
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Be thankful his greedy camp only took Dubas for 6 years instead of the max, 8. Wonder if he regrets that now, cause I am guessing no GM out there will give him $11m on his next deal.
Not disagreeing, he’s overpaid and you need more from a guy making that salary. Just pointing out he did have a some moments setting up teammates and normally a couple of those find the back of the net, in which case we’d likely be having a different discussion (probably that he was mediocre instead of horrible lol) it’s not like he was Colton Orr out there.
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Yeah and it's not that he's a horrible player, he's a very good one, but we just have the wrong mix in our core. I liked Keefe but some of the decisions he mad regarding Mitch and especially Thornton - really!?
Totally agree, Thornton on the PP made no sense, and I’m surprised he didn’t split up Matthews and Marner to at least attempt to spread out the attack to see if they could find success, because clearly Montreal wasn’t giving that line anything
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Uhhh hello. He has more 5x5 shots per 60 than Kutcherov.
So much for that theory.
Looks like you stopped watching the games early.
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Wow, his shot is that bad? Good lord. You couldn't have brought up a better statistic to show how overpaid he is.
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No shot doesn't mean he doesn't shoot. It means he's got a weak shot that can't best goalies consistently
18 games now in the playoffs with no goals. Had several chances vs the Habs that he blew by either holding the puck to long or shooting into a poor area
The PP was so poor due to marner not being a shooting threat and Matthews not being a passing threat
Our 2 best players,were playing predictable on the PP trying the same cross ice passes and routinely failing to execute.
Marner needs to come back with a better shooting package and stronger while Matthews needs to be more open to making passes and finding plays for his linemates
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Why are you using regular season numbers when discussing marners play in the playoffs?
No one's questioning how marner played in the regular season over the oast 3 years.
The issues are with his past 19 playoff games where he has 12 pts and only 2 goals.
Regular season wise I saw he shot 12. 8 not 16.67% so Im not sure where that number is coming from (are you Omitting power play shots and looking only at EVS?) He might be able to maintain a 12.8% but even that's somewhat high considering his previous high outside of playing in the North was 11.3%. If he improves his shot enough than he can get to a 13% range next year in the Atlantic in the regular season but at his current level of shooting he'll be back down to the 11ish range he was at prior to this year
Playoffs he needs to break that goose egg and try and become a productive top 6 player. He's got one year left to fix things with another failure being the chance to bring in new management who will blow the team up looking to deal our Marner and Nylander first
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He either doesnt shoot as the previous poster asserted which isnt true or he has a poor shot as you did which he doesn't. Tell me. In your mind, does Willy's 25% shooting percentage in the playoffs qualify him as a better shooter than anyone on the Tampa roster?
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Nylander shooting was high as well which is why I'm not expecting him to be a 5 in 7 goal scorer come playoffs. His play however was very solid considering who he was playing with
Kerfoot and Galchenyuk aren't special what so ever and they found a way to produce effectively as a unit.
Nylander stepped up his game and made the most of his opportunities despite not having JT as a linemate
Overall through 5 years marner probably has a slight edge due to high QoC and being slightly more productive in the playoffs but the gap is very small to the point where 1 more bad series by marner and a decent one by Nylander pushes Nylander ahead.
You can't continously excuse marner for his poor play in the playoffs. It's been 3 series now. Generating chances and not being able to produce is a bigger issue than simple luck. Marner's playstyle clearly isn't leading to offense. He's got to change his game up in the playoffs if he wants to be considered a top 6 player let alone a player that makes almost 11M
He had danult's line matching him. That's the easiest match-up he could get and he won't be getting an easier matchup next year vs Tampa/Boston. He has given plenty of reasons to be concerned with him not being able to up his game come playoffs 3 years in a row now
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I'm not excusing anything but the driveby stupid comments need to get addressed so that a productive conversation can occur. The kid is an elite player. Pretending like he is a scrub does diddly squat.
Not sure why YOU are excusing this stupidity.
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I don’t think many people are complaining about his regular season stat but it’s his total disappearing act in the playoffs and not just this one.
A player making 11 million per year should have more then 1 goal in the last 18 playoff games.
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I know he is not as bad as we are making him out to be right now but I do not think he can be considered elite.
My definition of elite does not disappear in the playoffs year after year
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I know I have been hard on Marner but I am so disappointed in the entire team and especially him. I watched him many time in London and he was a special player but unfortunately it hasn’t translated to the NHL playoffs.
Compound that with his post season presser has almost finished him for me.
The only thing that annoys me as much is it looks like if anything is done with Marner it will be Dubas doing it.
That would be one more disaster
Compound that with his post season presser has almost finished him for me.
The only thing that annoys me as much is it looks like if anything is done with Marner it will be Dubas doing it.
That would be one more disaster
Mitch's stride he has today with Leafs is near identical to stride he had as a kid .. and he has always had an issue in playing in fast games going way back when Barzal took puck from him at will all game long at Brick, at Mission Cup in Montreal, at Ronald McDonald in Toronto, at Boston Beanpot etc etc even in minor midget Stumpy took it from him at will .. his stride is too short and he can't fly .. his game is good in either end of ice but fast paced speed up/down games are not something he has ever excelled in .. and it is not gonna change next year either folks .. most of you just don't understand but this goes back almost 20 years .. when games pick up pace and he has to go out against best players who are mostly all faster than him he can't get er done .. but notion that he is not given er all is complete and total bunk .. kid tries as hard as anyone I have ever coached
So........this makes his price tag even worse, and we should def ship him off.. and this is coming from someone who HAS a Marner jersey.
wtf
Mitch's stride when he is slightly hunched over on the back check is the same as when he was in minor hockey but his skating has always been above average at every level then and still is at the NHL level. Barzal and Mcdavid are the best skaters in the NHL, thats a very high bar. Marner would be on the Canadian Olympic team, Im glad he is a Leaf.
I could give you a long list of names .. Mitchell Stephens destroyed him in playoffs .. Whitey took him hard at Beanpot championship.. you guys can make excuses for him all day long but you have not seen him long enough to know .. i know i was there in rink either coaching or watching as a parent .. but continue on with your narrative as a fan .. but don't worry it is not gonna change and most hockey people who live at rinks know it
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Elite players can also be poor fits when talking about team construction, which this is ultimately about.
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Mitch Marner has great edge work and agility but relatively poor separation speed, explosive acceleration and lower body strength. He can dart around but what holds him back in the comparison with a Patrick Kane or a Sebastian Aho is he can’t slow down, draw in a defender and then escape at speed. That’s why you see him cut off from the play so much and why he’s not respected on the power play half wall.
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