Value of: Mitch marner in off season

[Ledge And Dairy]

I still think Tkachuk for Marner would be a good base from a value perspective, though the Flames don't have as much of an imbalance with their RHS and LHS forwards now that they have added Tofolli.

Tkachuk for Marner would be a moronic move for Calgary. Tkachuk is the face of the franchise, likely next captain, and the definition of a Sutter type player. And they really dont need another Gaudeau like player

 

[Paper]

Wouldn't mind having him, he's a really good player. No way in hell the Flames can afford him though without sending out enough players that they would be a worse team.

Unless Gaudreau goes to Philly and Tkachuk will only sign 1 year.

At that point trade Tkachuk for what you can get to whichever team he's willing to sign with, then use those assets in a trade for Marner

 

[Paper]

Tkachuk for Marner would be a moronic move for Calgary. Tkachuk is the face of the franchise, likely next captain, and the definition of a Sutter type player. And they really dont need another Gaudeau like player

Tkachuk structured his contract in such a way that the Flames will need to qualify him for 9M and he can take that 9M right to UFA where he can maximum his value (like daddy Tkachuk always preached).

Of course the Flames moving on from Gaudreau and Tkachuk in favour of Marner would be stupid if it was up to them, but it's not. You got a player about to be UFA and a player a year away from UFA. Pucks in their rinks.

 

[Paper]

Marner has something very in common with the big 5 in Kucherov, McDavid, Matthews, Mackinnon and Draisital, in that those 5 players (and Marner) are the only 6 players in the entire league who are career point per game and under the age of 30.

Makar and Kaprizov meet those metrics too...By the end of the season Rantannen and Gaudreau will also potentially achieve that.

 

[Paper]

Only way something like that makes any sence for leafs is if they moved matthews afterwards for defence.

Lol. Even if the trade had a clause that explicitly prevented the Leafs from trading Matthews for defense that's a trade that the Leafs do every single day.

It's the Oilers that would never entertain the deal.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Tkachuk structured his contract in such a way that the Flames will need to qualify him for 9M and he can take that 9M right to UFA where he can maximum his value (like daddy Tkachuk always preached).

Of course the Flames moving on from Gaudreau and Tkachuk in favour of Marner would be stupid if it was up to them, but it's not. You got a player about to be UFA and a player a year away from UFA. Pucks in their rinks.

Tkachuk signed a 3 year bridge deal off his ELC, like 50+% of ELC's around the league. He didn't "structure his contract" in some outlandish way to screw the team over. All the talk about him signing his QO and walking is baseless hot air from people that just hate on him. There is no substance to that opinion and any argument of "oh the Tkachuk's just want to jump town" was wiped away with the Brady deal.


In reality Tkachuk likely never sees that QO as Calgary probably files for Arbitration in lieu of it. Then signs him to a long term deal.

If Johhny wants to walk to an inferior team for a higher AAV but with less term that's his choice, not sure how that has any relevance to making a bad trade for Marner by moving the face of your franchise and likely next captain

 

[centipede2233]

Tkachuk for Marner would be a moronic move for Calgary. Tkachuk is the face of the franchise, likely next captain, and the definition of a Sutter type player. And they really dont need another Gaudeau like player

Tkachuk can walk in a year, Calgary might not have a choice but to trade him. With that said, it won’t be for marner. Toronto only gets ktachuk for a year then he walks

 

[Paper]

Tkachuk signed a 3 year bridge deal off his ELC, like 50+% of ELC's around the league. He didn't "structure his contract" in some outlandish way to screw the team over.

No, he did not do it to screw the team over. He did it to maximize his earning potential.

All the talk about him signing his QO and walking is baseless hot air from people that just hate on him. There is no substance to that opinion and any argument of "oh the Tkachuk's just want to jump town" was wiped away with the Brady deal.

You mean the Brady deal that wasn't a bridge contract that ensured he could be a UFA as early as possible? There's clearly a difference between what the two did, and therefore, what they may do. Keith was all about the players earning every penny they deserved, which we don't need to vilify him for, but to assume that Matthew Tkachuk wouldn't have similar beliefs is something you need to provide support of.

If Johhny wants to walk to an inferior team for a higher AAV but with less term that's his choice, not sure how that has any relevance to making a bad trade for Marner by moving the face of your franchise and likely next captain

"Inferior" only until Gaudreau leaves, and especially if he has gotten wind of Tkachuk's long-term plans. Also who said high AAV? If Gaudreau leaves for Philly it's location, not contract.

 

[Mohar Ikram]

Okay. Lets analyse.

Leafs got 5 big money guys right now in the team. 4F 2D

Cap Hit
Matthews - 11.46 Mill until 23-24
Tavares - 11.00 Mill until 24-25
Marner - 10.93 Mill until 24-25
Nylander - 6.96 Mill until 23-24
Rielly - 5 mill this year, 7.5 mill next year until 29-30

Production this year:
Matthews - 45/32/77 - 56 GP, +10
Tavares - 19/36/55 - 55 GP, -6
Marner - 23/39/62 - 50 GP, +11
Nylander - 23/32/55 - 59 GP, -12
Rielly - 6/40/46 - 59 GP, +6

Based on those two, IMO - if the Leafs wants to trade in order to get a cap room - Marner needs to go.

You cannot trade Rielly. You just extend his contract for long term means that the Leafs believe in him. He is the only Offensive D-Man in the team. Unless you want to gamble on Sandin to be main Offensive D-Man, do not do it. Plus, he is a positive Offensive D-Man. John Carlson has been in the negative since dinosaur ages! never heard Caps must trade him for competing....

You cannot trade Matthews. He is the main guy for goals and will challenge Rocket from year to year. He is your truly 1C which is hard to get as hell.

You cannot trade Tavares. He came to Leafs for less money, it is his hometown team, he loves to play in his home, he is the team captain and also he got NMC. Yes, you can ask him to waive it but that means stab your friend in the back because of business reason (Basketball fan, will you want to face DeRozan situation again? just in different sport).

You cannot trade Nylander. He is a bargain for his consistent performance. Acceptable cap hit and if you trade him, you get some negligible cap space difference.

Marner got no valid reason that makes him truly untouchable.

- "Hell no, he is the best playmaker!" - He only 3 assists more than Tavares and 7 assists more than Matthews/Nylander doesn't worth paying extra 4 mill.
- "He is young! give him time!" - He played for 7 seasons now and only 1 year younger that Nylander. Plus, his contract only ends one season later than Nylander.
- "He is a positive player! plays PK and PP! our best defensive winger!" - Yes he is versatile. No doubt it is hard to find players like him. But does it value so much until he getting paid for almost 11 mill? you pay some forward to play PK and defense for 10.9 mill? Toews, Bergeron and Kopitar did not even got that much! but they are centres you muppet! Ok, Marchand is not even paid that much! So yeah - you can get more with paying less actually and Marner is not the answer.

Okay - Trade him to where?

Senators - The toughest but the best option. Aim for Chabot. It will be tough since same province, same divisions and well-known Ontario beef. But go big if you wanna win. Plus, Ottawa needs a true number 1 guy and I am not sure Brady fit that moniker (he seems more like Bo in Canucks).

Big No - Red Wings (never trade him there, you're gonna regret forever)

 

[blankall]

I still think Tkachuk for Marner would be a good base from a value perspective, though the Flames don't have as much of an imbalance with their RHS and LHS forwards now that they have added Tofolli.

Mariner and Gaudreau on the same team making a combined $21 million or so is not a recipe for success. Two undersized players who like to control the puck? Gaudreau excels playing with good trigger men.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Tkachuk can walk in a year, Calgary might not have a choice but to trade him. With that said, it won’t be for marner. Toronto only gets ktachuk for a year then he walks

Do you have some inside information on Tkachuk's next contract?

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Marner has something very in common with the big 5 in Kucherov, McDavid, Matthews, Mackinnon and Draisital, in that those 5 players (and Marner) are the only 6 players in the entire league who are career point per game and under the age of 30.

Now do playoffs.

 

[Mohar Ikram]

Now do playoffs.

Costly puck over the glass.... more than once.

 

[sasha barkov]

McDavid will be coming home once he is a UFA. Book it. 100%. No need to trade for him. Tavares contract expires 1 year before McDavid’s. It is already planned. Matthews and McDavid will team up in T.O

Toronto will keep Marner. Nylander will leave though.

McDavid wants to win a cup, not lose in the first round. He's signing in California with either Anaheim or LA.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

No, he did not do it to screw the team over. He did it to maximize his earning potential.

You mean the Brady deal that wasn't a bridge contract that ensured he could be a UFA as early as possible? There's clearly a difference between what the two did, and therefore, what they may do. Keith was all about the players earning every penny they deserved, which we don't need to vilify him for, but to assume that Matthew Tkachuk wouldn't have similar beliefs is something you need to provide support of.

"Inferior" only until Gaudreau leaves, and especially if he has gotten wind of Tkachuk's long-term plans. Also who said high AAV? If Gaudreau leaves for Philly it's location, not contract.

It was a beneficial deal for both team and player, they kept their roster together while staying cap compliant. Brayden Point signed a nearly identical deal with the same QO that he could have taken directly to FA after 1 year.

How does 7 years get him to UFA ASAP? That's 3 UFA years under contract. I never said Tkachuk won't get money, I said he will very likely sign a long term deal (probably with a big bonus after the covid escrow drops off). By all accounts he is quite happy in Calgary, loves the fan base, and with the success very likely would want to stay there a while.

No it's still an inferior team, do you honestly think Gaudreau makes Jersey a contender all of a sudden? Dougie was supposed to and that didn't happen. Can they even afford an 8 figure cap hit? Bratt, and Wood both need raises and Hughes is already eating 95% of what Subban's cap hit provides. As for Philly, he would be an idiot to look at them right now and think that's a good idea

 

[BlueMed]

Marner has something very in common with the big 5 in Kucherov, McDavid, Matthews, Mackinnon and Draisital, in that those 5 players (and Marner) are the only 6 players in the entire league who are career point per game and under the age of 30.

LOL...interesting inclusion there. How many assists does Marner have from Matthew's goals? Marner is a star in this league, I won't deny that, but he's not in that superstar group despite his point totals. He can't take over and control a game the way those players do.

 

[Paper]

It was a beneficial deal for both team and player

Yes, that's the basis for nearly all contracts.

they kept their roster together while staying cap compliant.

And, in doing so, bringing Tkachuk to UFA as early as possible if he wants to. It was by design, we're hoping that it's only being used for negotiation purposes with the Flames but he could just as easily take his 9Mish and walk to UFA.

Brayden Point signed a nearly identical deal with the same QO that he could have taken directly to FA after 1 year.

With a team that won two Stanley Cups during the first two years of the contract. And due to Florida's lack of taxes he's making much more there. If the Flames win this year and then move to Houston, it's probably more comparable. But Point signed his extension the second he could. Tkachuk is waiting for the off-season. Point is also 2 years older so being able to sign an 8 year contract that brings him to the twilight of his career, but an 8 year contract from the Flames for Tkachuk isn't as appealing. He'd be 32 when it expires. A bit of no man's land where a team doesn't want to give term to bring him to his late 30s. But if he signs a 6 year contract, he could still likely sign another big contract when it finishes.

How does 7 years get him to UFA ASAP? That's 3 UFA years under contract.

It doesn't. Unlike Matthew's. It's almost like they are different people.

But Matthew held out, got a contract that ensured he could leave as quickly as possible while very likely maximizing his career earnings. Has yet to sign an extension when you know it's a priority for the Flames management.

I never said Tkachuk won't get money, I said he will very likely sign a long term deal (probably with a big bonus after the covid escrow drops off). By all accounts he is quite happy in Calgary, loves the fan base, and with the success very likely would want to stay there a while.

No it's still an inferior team, do you honestly think Gaudreau makes Jersey a contender all of a sudden?

Jersey? You mean Philly. Gaudreau, Ellis, and a healthy Couturier and Hayes vs a Gaudreau-less Flames? I'll take Philly, even if it means losing Giroux. But yeah when a team loses their top pairing defenseman they traded for, their Selke winning MVP center and their most expensive winger deal with injuries from before the season began requiring them both to undergo surgery that will keep them out, yeah it's not likely going to be a fun season for any team.

How do you think the Flames do without Gaudreau, Lindholm, Magniapaine and Andersson this season?

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Yes, that's the basis for nearly all contracts.

And, in doing so, bringing Tkachuk to UFA as early as possible if he wants to. It was by design, we're hoping that it's only being used for negotiation purposes with the Flames but he could just as easily take his 9Mish and walk to UFA.

With a team that won two Stanley Cups during the first two years of the contract. And due to Florida's lack of taxes he's making much more there. If the Flames win this year and then move to Houston, it's probably more comparable. But Point signed his extension the second he could. Tkachuk is waiting for the off-season.

It doesn't. Unlike Matthew's. It's almost like they are different people.

But Matthew held out, got a contract that ensured he could leave as quickly as possible while very likely maximizing his career earnings. Has yet to sign an extension when you know it's a priority for the Flames management.

You keep trying to push this hypothetical that Tkachuk had some cunning ulterior motive when signing that deal. Then when I give an example of a player who signed a nearly identical deal "oh well he won 2 cups in that time so it doesn't matter." Like what? You also keep saying "it brings him to UFA asap" But it doesn't, he is not a pending UFA and he likely will never be. Calgary will never sign him to a 1 year deal, if negotiations go south for some reason he will probably be shopped to a place that he will sign long term. This is unlikely to happen though. All you are doing is attempting to make your baseless speculation sound like fact

Also You are aware that every player is paid is USD right, so the "tax break" that Tampa get's really isn't much of an advantage when Tkachuk is getting an extra 25% income after conversion. Furthermore on that "tax break" why does it only apply to Tampa, and not Florida or Nashville? Both of those teams have players that sign for what is considered relatively expensive contracts (Bob and Duchene come to mind).

Jersey? You mean Philly. Gaudreau, Ellis, and a healthy Couturier and Hayes vs a Gaudreau-less Flames? I'll take Philly, even if it means losing Giroux. But yeah when a team loses their top pairing defenseman they traded for, their Selke winning MVP center and their most expensive winger deal with injuries from before the season began requiring them both to undergo surgery that will keep them out, yeah it's not likely going to be a fun season for any team.

How do you think the Flames do without Gaudreau, Lindholm, Magniapaine and Andersson this season?

Well this is where we are looking at more of a Schrodinger's cat scenario, why would you compare Philly with Gaudreau to Calgary without Gaudreau, you compare what both teams would look like with him to determine which team he is better off signing with. I expect Philly to bounce back next year but if I was player from an outside perspective looking in I would personally have my hesitations about signing there over the team favored to make the conference finals. Also Lindholm is likely a Selke finalist this year so that argument is fairly invalid.

As for Jersey, you brought them up originally, hence why I responded about them accordingly

 

[Paper]

You keep trying to push this hypothetical that Tkachuk had some cunning ulterior motive when signing that deal.

A player signing a contract in order to give himself financial incentives? Well I never...

Then when I give an example of a player who signed a nearly identical deal "oh well he won 2 cups in that time so it doesn't matter."

Point is making as much as he would be making in Calgary if he signed a 12M contract. If Calgary was a nice weather beach city, low tax, repeat Stanley Cup winner, then it becomes comparable. That's not the case, which might be why Point is signed in Tampa and their fans aren't discussing whether or not he will be staying...

Like what? You also keep saying "it brings him to UFA asap" But it doesn't, he is not a pending UFA and he likely will never be. Calgary will never sign him to a 1 year deal, if negotiations go south for some reason he will probably be shopped to a place that he will sign long term. This is unlikely to happen though. All you are doing is attempting to make your baseless speculation sound like fact.

There is nothing stopping Tkachuk from becoming a UFA as early as possible if he wants. Sign his qualifying offer for 1 year at 9M or go to arbitration and get a near exact contract for 1 year. Either way, if he choses, he's a UFA not this off-season but the following, and the Flames (and any other team in the league) can't do anything about it. This isn't baseless speculation, it's undisputable fact.

Baseless speculation would being saying that he's signing long-term with all intents to stay as the face of the franchise. That's what you hope, and I do too, but it's not based on anything. But Tkachuk said he loves the team that drafted him!! Well yeah, so has pretty much every player except Lindros.

Also You are aware that every player is paid is USD right, so the "tax break" that Tampa get's really isn't much of an advantage when Tkachuk is getting an extra 25% income after conversion. Furthermore on that "tax break" why does it only apply to Tampa, and not Florida or Nashville? Both of those teams have players that sign for what is considered relatively expensive contracts (Bob and Duchene come to mind).

It's almost like being a well run team with recent multiple championships is a good thing.

Well this is where we are looking at more of a Schrodinger's cat scenario, why would you compare Philly with Gaudreau to Calgary without Gaudreau, you compare what both teams would look like with him to determine which team he is better off signing with.

Because the idea of inferior team that you brought up.

I expect Philly to bounce back next year but if I was player from an outside perspective looking in I would personally have my hesitations about signing there over the team favored to make the conference finals. Also Lindholm is likely a Selke finalist this year so that argument is fairly invalid.

Lindholm being a Selke finalist makes the argument. Couturier played with nagging injury until undergoing back surgery and being shutdown for the season. At no point in the 20ish games he did play was Couturier "Couturier".

Also you were first person to bring up Jersey I think. But whatever. Gaudreau also isn't going to Philly, if he does, because it's the best shot at winning a cup or even getting most money, it's because he lives there, his wife works there, one of his best friends is on the team. But sure, if Gaudreau was looking at winning the cup there's probably better teams than Calgary for him to look at, and if it was money, that's still not Calgary (hopefully).

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

A player signing a contract in order to give himself financial incentives? Well I never...

I am talking about more than that. Signing a bridge deal to get more money down the road isn't an ulterior motive, it is quite standard. I am saying you are suggesting his sole reason for signing that (common 3 years) contract was to jump ship to St. Louis or something ASAP.

Point is making as much as he would be making in Calgary if he signed a 12M contract. If Calgary was a nice weather beach city, low tax, repeat Stanley Cup winner, then it becomes comparable. That's not the case, which might be why Point is signed in Tampa and their fans aren't discussing whether or not he will be staying...

Starting next year after taxes are calculated Point will be making ~$5,329,262 USD per year, if he were to be playing in Calgary he would be making ~$4,706,437 UDS per year, or ~$6,041,770.84 CAD per year. Take that how you will but that is the exact numbers from from Cap Friendly's Income Tax Calculator.

How about another example, Matt Barzal plays in one of the most heavily taxed states in the US, he has an 8.4M QO after his (once again) nearly identical contract to Tkachuk was signed, He could very easily sign a 1 year QO and jump ship, yet nobody talks about it. Same with Alex DeBrincat and Elias Pettersson. You are attempting to blow the Tkachuk situation way out of proportion when it is a very common thing.

There is nothing stopping Tkachuk from becoming a UFA as early as possible if he wants. Sign his qualifying offer for 1 year at 9M or go to arbitration and get a near exact contract for 1 year. Either way, if he choses, he's a UFA not this off-season but the following, and the Flames (and any other team in the league) can't do anything about it. This isn't baseless speculation, it's undisputable fact.

Baseless speculation would being saying that he's signing long-term with all intents to stay as the face of the franchise. That's what you hope, and I do too, but it's not based on anything. But Tkachuk said he loves the team that drafted him!! Well yeah, so has pretty much every player except Lindros.

Yes and No, You are correct on a technical standpoint but not a realistic one. If he truly wants to be a UFA it's because he wants out of Calgary. So what stops Calgary from shopping him if they can't get a long term extension, furthermore any team interested would very likely want to discuss extension talks with him so Calgary would likely allow for it. This would both satisfy the player, and buying team then allowing for max return in trade.

So as I said before he probably never sees that QO so he never gets the chance to just sign it, instead there will likely be an arbitration filing. Then it will probably never reach the arbitrator to begin with as he will be dealt to a team he will sign with or sign before then.

It's almost like being a well run team with recent multiple championships is a good thing.

They are a well run team, and if Calgary takes the cake this year can you not make a similar argument?

Because the idea of inferior team that you brought up.

Yes and that's where it is Gaudreau's decision. He is significantly more likely to succeed in Calgary than he is in Philly

Lindholm being a Selke finalist makes the argument. Couturier played with nagging injury until undergoing back surgery and being shutdown for the season. At no point in the 20ish games he did play was Couturier "Couturier".

I'm not arguing Cout's is a bad or even worse player than Lindholm by any means. I think he is quite a strong 1C when healthy. Still doesn't validate the argument of a Selke caliber center when Calgary also has one.

Also you were first person to bring up Jersey I think. But whatever. Gaudreau also isn't going to Philly, if he does, because it's the best shot at winning a cup or even getting most money, it's because he lives there, his wife works there, one of his best friends is on the team. But sure, if Gaudreau was looking at winning the cup there's probably better teams than Calgary for him to look at, and if it was money, that's still not Calgary (hopefully).

My mistake on New Jersey, likely mixed up with another poster (either here or CF). If he goes to Philly that's his choice but there are talks of contract extension recently.

 

[Ciao]

Dream on.

The Leafs aren't trading Marner.

 

[Ciao]

LOL...interesting inclusion there. How many assists does Marner have from Matthew's goals? Marner is a star in this league, I won't deny that, but he's not in that superstar group despite his point totals. He can't take over and control a game the way those players do.

I guess you don't watch the Leafs much.

 

[Paper]

I am talking about more than that. Signing a bridge deal to get more money down the road isn't an ulterior motive, it is quite standard. I am saying you are suggesting his sole reason for signing that (common 3 years) contract was to jump ship to St. Louis or something ASAP.

3 year contracts that were significantly backloaded so the last year requires a large qualifying offer was not the norm at all when he signed.

How about another example, Matt Barzal plays in one of the most heavily taxed states in the US, he has an 8.4M QO after his (once again) nearly identical contract to Tkachuk was signed, He could very easily sign a 1 year QO and jump ship, yet nobody talks about it. Same with Alex DeBrincat and Elias Pettersson. You are attempting to blow the Tkachuk situation way out of proportion when it is a very common thing.

Oh yeah, because Islander fans have no reason to worry about their star player leaving them the first shot he gets. I'm sure that never crosses their mind. Now unlike Barzal, who had Point and Tkachuk open the gate for him, Tavares was still negotiating in a league where you signed that two year bridge or a long term contract that bought UFA years. Only players who had clear intentions of wanting out, even if they weren't stated, had really done so. Bouwmeester for example who signed a contract that brought him to one year from UFA, went to arbitration for the last year, and was set to become a UFA and sign wherever he want (Panthers traded him for a whole third round pick). Parise did it as well, backloaded contract, filed for arbitration, signed a one year contract, became a UFA as early as possible, signed with his buddy in their home state. Point is not the rule here, he's an exception.

I'm not arguing Cout's is a bad or even worse player than Lindholm by any means. I think he is quite a strong 1C when healthy. Still doesn't validate the argument of a Selke caliber center when Calgary also has one.

This is where you're clearly missing the point. Couturier missed the season for all intents and purposes. He was struggling through a nagging injury that required surgery. Ellis played 4 games before he was shut down. Hayes had surgery because of nagging injury when they found out he had fluid in his stomach.

If Lindholm had a broken back (like Cout), Anderson played 4 games (like Ellis, and we're being very generous to Andersson here), and Mangiapane's water broke during a game (like Hayes, again being generous), how well do you think a Gaudreau-less Flames would be doing this season? Flyers had a nightmare season that no team would be able to do much about.

In any case, you're the only one speculating on anything. I am saying that Gaudreau is a UFA this summer, Tkachuk could be one next summer. If they want to go, there is nothing the Flames can do, in which case Marner wouldn't be a bad substitute. You're the only one speculating that Gaudreau and Tkachuk won't leave.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

3 year contracts that were significantly backloaded so the last year requires a large qualifying offer was not the norm at all when he signed.

Yes how average post ELC contract extensions are generally structured changes with time, for example a bridge deals used to be 5-6 years after ELC bringing to the player directly to UFA or buying 1 year (refer to Stamkos, Gaudreau, MacKinnon, Barkov, Forsberg, H. Lindholm, Jones, etc). Short term deals that bring you to the last year of RFA status were not nearly as common 7-10 years ago but not non-existent (Vasilevskiy, JT. Miller, Johansen, Nelson, Kadri, Palmieri, Buchnevich, Copp, S. Reinhart, Fiala, Montour, Kempe, Zacha)

Oh yeah, because Islander fans have no reason to worry about their star player leaving them the first shot he gets. I'm sure that never crosses their mind. Now unlike Barzal, who had Point and Tkachuk open the gate for him, Tavares was still negotiating in a league where you signed that two year bridge or a long term contract that bought UFA years. Only players who had clear intentions of wanting out, even if they weren't stated, had really done so. Bouwmeester for example who signed a contract that brought him to one year from UFA, went to arbitration for the last year, and was set to become a UFA and sign wherever he want (Panthers traded him for a whole third round pick). Parise did it as well, backloaded contract, filed for arbitration, signed a one year contract, became a UFA as early as possible, signed with his buddy in their home state. Point is not the rule here, he's an exception.

Refer to the above, Point and Tkachuk were not the first to take deals that bring them to 1 remaining RFA year

This is where you're clearly missing the point. Couturier missed the season for all intents and purposes. He was struggling through a nagging injury that required surgery. Ellis played 4 games before he was shut down. Hayes had surgery because of nagging injury when they found out he had fluid in his stomach.

If Lindholm had a broken back (like Cout), Anderson played 4 games (like Ellis, and we're being very generous to Andersson here), and Mangiapane's water broke during a game (like Hayes, again being generous), how well do you think a Gaudreau-less Flames would be doing this season? Flyers had a nightmare season that no team would be able to do much about.

In any case, you're the only one speculating on anything. I am saying that Gaudreau is a UFA this summer, Tkachuk could be one next summer. If they want to go, there is nothing the Flames can do, in which case Marner wouldn't be a bad substitute. You're the only one speculating that Gaudreau and Tkachuk won't leave.

I expected Philly to be a playoff team this year and fully agree they got screwed by injuries. However you are also ignoring that they are loosing Giroux in this process, who Gaudreau is maybe a slight upgrade over (especially when you factor in the captain and FO part). What I am saying though is that even with replacing Giroux with Gaudreau I do not see them as nearly as strong a team as Calgary is now.

 

[LeapOnOver]

The annual "Trade Marner" thread, like clockwork.