So it's Kucherov's turn to be lucky then?
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So it's Kucherov's turn to be lucky then?
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Tampa's top line sure had trouble producing offense against playoff Price
Not a fair comparison. Their coach actually coached and got them away from Danault.
Great, throw him out there to collect his 90 points while elevating another centre. If an $11M player needs another $11M player in order to be successful, then they aren't really worth close to $11M.
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Dude. It doesnt take a genius to figure out that in any given game, a goal will amount to at least a 20% shooting percentage if the player gets as many as 5 shots on net....which is a lot.
This is a quintessential cherry pick.
How about we wait until the series is over.
That said....I suppose if you need to shift to Kutcherov instead of Point instead of conceeding that the point is dumb, it would be consistent to say that Nylander is better than Point because according to you, luck has nothing to do with such high numbers.
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Dubas and Keefe have been running the Leafs top line a la Anti Babcock for the past 1.5 years and it’s just not good enough.
Ours got Matthews and Marner away as well, but they didn't convert when they had golden opportunities.
One big thing that hurt is in the series was constantly falling behind. The Habs are a much different team down than tied or up in the game. It allows them to shutdown and wait rather than needing to press.
Ego kills people .. it was even obvious to see on TV that Kerfoot, Willy and Spezz were only 3 guys we had on .. Matty got doubled as they decided to take him out .. they gave Mitch every shot he wanted and knew Price would save every one of those girlie shots .. it was so obvious yet nothing got done to rectify it .. I still can't believe Keefer did nothing .. if I was GM I would have made firing decision after 1st period of game 7 .. then taken over bench and tried to make some quick fixes .. but Dubie never played or coached so he would have had to ask players what to do .. OMG best GMs are ones who used to play, then coach and know da game
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And it's pretty questionable to say the least
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I'm fine having him on the third line. It would honestly make him better come playoff time and allow us to spread out the ice time more so our big guys don't get tired down the stretch (Keefe struggles with this, game 1 he ran them to the ground). You have each of the big 11 million guys carry a line and it'll make this salary structure more palatable
I understand the concept of what Dubas though or thinks Marner is but I think this might be a classic case of Don't count your chickens before they are hatched. There is a reason the teams have some leverage with RFA's. Dubas for good or bad thought he had a mega superstar on his hands and just ripped the leverage pages right out of the equation. Same with Matthews really.
Wouldnt the other team just focus on Marner and make life even more difficult for him knowing the other 2 guys are min wage 3rd lines, therefore not a threat?
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Matthews and Tavares should be able to drive a line, and both have in the past with some pretty crappy wingers. Marner is a guy who is much more dependent on his linemates being able to compensate for his own weaknesses, namely winning battles and finishing plays. If he plays with guys like Mikheyev and Kerfoot, it just wouldn't be very effective
The concensus seems to be that Matthews was double teamed because the Habs had no fear of a shot or threat from Marner. If Marner goes to the 3rd line with 2 non scores in Mik and Engvall doesnt he become the Matthews of that line who will be double teamed or focused on more knowing that mik and engvall are no threat to score?
adding to that, didn't Mitch have either kadri, Bozak or JVR when he played down the lineup? Much more firepower there than MIK Eng.
Teams generally don't have an unlimited supply of quality defenders, so make it a tougher decision on who to focus on.
For argument's sake........(not knowing exactly who is back)
Line 1: Matthews and one passer and a Hyman Type
Line 2: Tavares, Nylander, Galch
Line 3: Marner, Kerfoot, Robertson
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I'd still go with duos of Matthews-Nylander and Tavares-Marner.
I'm not sure Galch or Robertson make the roster next year.... or at least I hope we improve enough for that!
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So thats great isnt it? You put the top defensive assets against 1 line, you are left with scrubs to deal with 2 other ones.
It was gonna be a tough series because Danault, Gally, Lek, Caulfied, Byron, Evans and Anderson 7 guys with super fast straight line speed .. and Suzuki and Toffoli pretty good on their edges not quite as fast but can twirl .. it was gonna be hard for many of our guys to skate with that team .. Kerfoot and Willy were able to use their speed to create advantage for us .. so rest of guys had to use skill on puck to create and bottom line they could not get it done .. but most teams don't have Habs speed and can be broken down easier except of course Bolts who can skate with anyone, dangle with anyone too and now they can scrap with anyone but of course they cheat on CAP oh well .. can't beat em join em .. next year with Bolts, Florida and Bruins this division will be ridiculous .. even if we beat Habs out for 4th we will be in real tough for a wildcard at best
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That's where someone who's an energizer bunny with finishing ability like Robertson can slide in on the third line. Hopefully he's bulked up a bit since that was one of the weaknesses for Nick last year when he played imo. In terms of Kerfoot, he potentially won't even be on the team next year due to salary reasons (paying 4 guys 40 mill in a flat cap eh). If we don't keep him we could look for a decent 3c guy who can get into the corners and battle.
If Mitch struggles doing this we might just have to run Willy on line 3 with Kerfoot (if he stays)/Galchenyuk. Marner can go with Matthews and Tavares gets a couple grinders to carry like he has. Either way I think it's best for the club to spread the talent around to optimize matchups in a series
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