Value of: Mitch Marner Contract Mega-Thread Pt. 2

[Rants Mulliniks]

Other GM's around the NHL may treat Leafs contracts as outliers. For instance for Brayden Point. There is no way he is getting what Matthews or Marner are going to get with what Kucherov is being paid. It's going to be weighted in proportion to what each team is paying their players. Which IMO is the correct way to negotiate. Just because 1 GM in this case of Dubas is overpaying, does not mean more responsible GM's as in TB should be penalized.

There's also not having the statistical resume that Matthews does.....

 

[The Winter Soldier]

People still don't know Nylander's AVV. 7.5??? It is 6.96. Plaese give me an an example where Dubas over paid.

Teravainen(RFA signed this winter), Larkin(signed in Sept, same cap), Ehlers(signed to same cap hit), Pastranak(not really a comparable since he is much better signed a year before), take your pick. All 4 make up to a million or more less than Nylander.

 

[Pickles]

LOL shocked nobody said that yet!

The kid is a star no doubt if I was a GM I'd offer sheet him.

 

[FelixPotvin29]

Whatever you do Dubas don’t sign Marner to a five year feal.

 

[Canadian Jesus]

Nylander was overpaid by about $1 million or so; don't say that too much or you get chirped

 

[The Winter Soldier]

There's also not having the statistical resume that Matthews does.....

Point has 80 points with 36 goals this year in 64 games. Has Matthews hit 80 points yet?

 

[Leaf Fans]

Teravainen(RFA signed this winter), Larkin(signed in Sept, same cap), Ehlers(signed to same cap hit), Pastranak(not really a comparable since he is much better signed a year before), take your pick. All 4 make up to a million or more less than Nylander.

Yes, great still Nylander is not at 7.5. Nylander is not overpaid, Matthews isn't overpaid. I would like to see the players that the Leafs have overpaid for.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Point has 80 points with 36 goals this year in 64 games. Has Matthews hit 80 points yet?

Point hasn't signed yet. You are just assuming he will get the same or less than Kucherov.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Nylander was overpaid by about $1 million or so; don't say that too much or you get chirped

Rightly so, as it is incorrect.

 

[Tripod]

Why is that interesting? His production today has nothing to do with his contract. He signed for 11.3% of the cap on a
0.94 Pts/GP production. Marner's ELC production is 31% higher than Draisaitl's and the cap is inflated 10.7%. Theoretically Marner could argue he is worth $12.3M using Draisaitl as the example.

Because with the RFA contracts, it's not only about what you have done, it's about what the team projects you to do and what you hope to become. Matthews is the perfect example, right?

You honestly think they are going by Pts/GP "only"? Of course not. Real points matter too. As does expected upside. etc...

What I meant by the interesting part....is how other GM's try and combat Dubas setting the market for all RFA's going forward.

 

[Sundinisagod]

I think Marner will get an unusually large 1 year bridge deal (say 7m-8m), then the following year the Leafs will give him the McDavid contract.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

I think Marner will get an unusually large 1 year bridge deal (say 7m-8m), then the following year the Leafs will give him the McDavid contract.

Marner would be out of his mind if he did that. No chance he ever would.

 

[Riddum]

Marner would be out of his mind if he did that. No chance he ever would.

Lol that reply was coming from a wishful Leafs fan. Marner is getting Matthews money at the very least

 

[NobleSix]

I think Marner will get an unusually large 1 year bridge deal (say 7m-8m), then the following year the Leafs will give him the McDavid contract.

I think taking a 1 year deal doesn't really make any sense for him. He's proved he's a star player, and has been the Leaf's best player all season. I'm not sure why he would risk taking a 1 year deal when he can basically go for the massive deal right away anyway.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

I think taking a 1 year deal doesn't really make any sense for him. He's proved he's a star player, and has been the Leaf's best player all season. I'm not sure why he would risk taking a 1 year deal when he can basically go for the massive deal right away anyway.

Also risk getting hurt and losing out on a crap load of money

 

[Xanner]

I'm guessing the leafs will bite the bullet with marner and go a full 8 years at 12 mill and then trade nylander.

 

[NobleSix]

Also risk getting hurt and losing out on a crap load of money

For sure, that's what I was alluding to. It makes no sense for him IMO.

He's going to get a massive contract this summer. I don't think there is any way around that.

 

[KingTux]

What's a reasonable scenario here ? Its a bigger situation than what most people think

 

[Tripod]

Yes, great still Nylander is not at 7.5. Nylander is not overpaid, Matthews isn't overpaid. I would like to see the players that the Leafs have overpaid for.

He signed for 45 million over 6 years. That's 7.5.

Yes we all know his cap hit the next 5 years is $6,962,366. It's also $10,277,778 this year. You only want to point out the 6.9.

And fwiw, on topic, I have always been a Marner fan and think he is fantastic.

 

[Tripod]

I think Marner will get an unusually large 1 year bridge deal (say 7m-8m), then the following year the Leafs will give him the McDavid contract.

Not a chance he risks an injury. He is going for his homerun this summer.

 

[Byron Bitz]

I'm guessing the leafs will bite the bullet with marner and go a full 8 years at 12 mill and then trade nylander.

I think they bite the bullet and give Marner 8 years at 10.5 and then trade Zaitsev and let Gardiner walk.

 

[Sundinisagod]

Marner would be out of his mind if he did that. No chance he ever would.

108 million over the next 9 years isn't exactly a terrible outcome for Marner.

 

[Sundinisagod]

Not a chance he risks an injury. He is going for his homerun this summer.

It doesn't appear to be there for the taking.

 

[Leaf Fans]

He signed for 45 million over 6 years. That's 7.5.

Yes we all know his cap hit the next 5 years is $6,962,366. It's also $10,277,778 this year. You only want to point out the 6.9.

And fwiw, on topic, I have always been a Marner fan and think he is fantastic.

His AVV( the number that counts) is 6.69 yes except for this year because of the signing bonus. Yes I only want to point out the 6.96 that is the important number.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Point has 80 points with 36 goals this year in 64 games. Has Matthews hit 80 points yet?

Production differences by year:

88% G/GP 42% Pts/GP
38% G/GP 28% Pts/GP
4% G/GP -9% Pts/GP

Quite obviously, one has the much better resume. Point has evened out this year. Most common linemate? Kucherov.