Salary Cap: Mitch Marner Contract Discussion Part X | Will Mitch get an OS?

[Kiwi]

You can trade him after a year otherwise it's your right to match or take compensation

You can trade him before July 1st to, or just take the compensation, or work out a trade beforehand with the team looking to offersheet him

I'm fine with any of those options as well

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

The funny thing is that if Marner does get 11-12 million, Nylander's contract will look quite good in comparison. I don't think there is a 4/5 million difference between the two.

It would be hilarious if Nylander outproduces Marner next year and the narrative goes to: Well he only produced because of Matthews, and trade his while his value is still high.

Nylander could quickly turn into the best forward contract on the team tbh (Unless Kadri bounces back or Kappy/Johnsson have a monster year as well). He's not that far behind Marner when both are at the tops of their games.

Matthews-Nylander actually have a higher xGF% than Tavares-Marner. We need Babcock to smarten up and keep both pairs together for the year.

 

[HolyCrap]

He signs one you can't trade him for a year. But anyways why is it only one way ? If he gets bad offers from the leafs why shouldn't he sign one ?

I hope he accepts and wins the cup with whoever signs him .

If it's the leafs that sucks but maybe they will get some good karma for signing their home town star to a fair deal and I'll have to live with it.

You’re assuming he is getting bad offers from the leafs. Everything that’s been reported or speculated says otherwise.

 

[Gabriel426]

It would be hilarious if Nylander outproduces Marner next year and the narrative goes to: Well he only produced because of Matthews, and trade his while his value is still high.

Nylander could quickly turn into the best forward contract on the team tbh (Unless Kadri bounces back or Kappy/Johnsson have a monster year as well). He's not that far behind Marner when both are at the tops of their games.

Matthews-Nylander actually have a higher xGF% than Tavares-Marner. We need Babcock to smarten up and keep both pairs together for the year.

Marner is a better player than Willie but I don’t think Marner is 4mil better.

 

[Superstar]

You can trade him before July 1st to, or just take the compensation, or work out a trade beforehand with the team looking to offersheet him

I'm fine with any of those options as well

By exploring the offersheet market, he's literally opening up the door for Dubas to trade him...if an interested team offers Dubas a package that makes the Leafs a better team and one that's too good to turn down, Marner could be gone even if he doesn't sign an offersheet.

 

[Seanaconda]

You’re assuming he is getting bad offers from the leafs. Everything that’s been reported or speculated says otherwise.

If he gets a good offer idk why he doesn't sign . Isn't it his home town / he's a childhood fan ? Why wouldn't he take a good offer ?

 

[HolyCrap]

If he gets a good offer idk why he doesn't sign . Isn't it his home town / he's a childhood fan ? Why wouldn't he take a good offer ?

No clue. Maybe he wants even more. I don’t know him personally. Maybe the reports are junk. Everything is speculation at this point. If he doesn’t get offersheet then I guess the other GMs don’t value him as much as Marners camp does either.

 

[Superstar]

If he gets a good offer idk why he doesn't sign . Isn't it his home town / he's a childhood fan ? Why wouldn't he take a good offer ?

Because he thinks he could get a ridiculous overpayment like what Matthews got, and the Leafs ain't paying that.

 

[Menzinger]

The hard part is = value is hard to find. If the team he scored 90+ points won't pay him, who will + give up prime assets? Hard to find a match.

If a team wont trade value for him than a a team will never sign him to an offersheet.

Which means hes at the Leafs mercy as to what contract to accept.

 

[Brown Dog]

Just pay him 10.5 X 5 cuz that offer sheet is pretty likely . If you go into four pick territory I assume they go 7 years at something the leafs won't match

Very unlikely we see an offer sheet that would involve 4 first round picks IMO. That's a huge haul of premium assets just for the right to overpay Marner--not to mention blowing up your own team's pay structure and making a mortal enemy out of the Leafs. Can't see it.

 

[Brown Dog]

If a team wont trade value for him than a a team will never sign him to an offersheet.

Which means hes at the Leafs mercy as to what contract to accept.

I think this is what will happen. The other sheet threat may seem real now, but if the first couple weeks of free agency pass with no OS, it's clear it ain't happening. Maybe by then some of the other RFAs have signed. And Marner comes back to something more reasonable than the Matthews deal.

 

[Seanaconda]

No clue. Maybe he wants even more. I don’t know him personally. Maybe the reports are junk. Everything is speculation at this point. If he doesn’t get offersheet then I guess the other GMs don’t value him as much as Marners camp does either.

I think he could get a 2 first offer. It's obvious the leafs match so it's pointless but if the leafs go a while why not throw it out if you're the avs. Same for aho and point tho

 

[HolyCrap]

I think he could get a 2 first offer. It's obvious the leafs match so it's pointless but if the leafs go a while why not throw it out if you're the avs. Same for aho and point tho

I guess they could throw that offer out there. But it would be matched like you said. I mean all they are doing is inflating a RFA price. It could need up burning them later when they have their own RFAs holding out.

 

[Kiwi]

By exploring the offersheet market, he's literally opening up the door for Dubas to trade him...if an interested team offers Dubas a package that makes the Leafs a better team and one that's too good to turn down, Marner could be gone even if he doesn't sign an offersheet.

It's not a coincidence that even when an offersheet is matched that player gets traded eventually

Once you put the trade idea into a GM'S head for a certain player it does seem to take some dislodging

 

[X66]

Literally none of the marquee RFA's have signed yet some of you guys are already on the ledge.

Step back and enjoy the summer.

The raps are champs.

The leafs are contenders.

Have fun.

 

[hfman]

Literally none of the marquee RFA's have signed yet some of you guys are already on the ledge.

Step back and enjoy the summer.

The raps are champs.

The leafs are contenders.

Have fun.

do I have free coffee at my work?

 

[weems]

It would be hilarious if Nylander outproduces Marner next year and the narrative goes to: Well he only produced because of Matthews, and trade his while his value is still high.

Nylander could quickly turn into the best forward contract on the team tbh (Unless Kadri bounces back or Kappy/Johnsson have a monster year as well). He's not that far behind Marner when both are at the tops of their games.

Matthews-Nylander actually have a higher xGF% than Tavares-Marner. We need Babcock to smarten up and keep both pairs together for the year.

That would be fantastic but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[FlareKnight]

Literally none of the marquee RFA's have signed yet some of you guys are already on the ledge.

Step back and enjoy the summer.

The raps are champs.

The leafs are contenders.

Have fun.

I think Raptors fans should live it up. No matter what happens they'll have that championship. Leaf fans have a less purely bright position. Our team has stagnated in the regular season and playoffs. And there isn't really cap space to get much if at all better than we were last year. I mean we'll still have a team that should make the playoffs short of a disaster. But contending? Well I suppose that depends on a person's definition.

It can always be worse. One of the marquee RFAs did sign and that was Matthews. In the end the Marner situation is what it is. He's pushing for the moon and his camp isn't particularly likable. We'll see what happens. But this is the bleakest summer for the Leafs in the past few years.

 

[Dayjobdave]

An interesting thought will be “once Mitch’s tour doesn’t result in an offer sheet, will he come to his senses?”

I’m betting no.

Wasnt the Magic Marner website selling signed Marner Knights sweaters for hundreds of $ while Mitch was still in junior?

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Depending on how camp goes it’s not out of the question that we’d be able to sign Mitch, trade Brown and Zaitsev for internal replacements, not put Horton on LTIR, run a 21 man roster for a bit (or play the promote/demote game with an ELC like Liljegren) and accumulate cap space for a purchase at the trade deadline where we put Horton on LTIR at that time. That would give us about $6m for a deadline acquisition.

Could even have a theoretical 22 man roster while promoting/demoting 2 players similar to what was done with Trevor Moore.

 

[taurine330]

do I have free coffee at my work?

I sure do hope so.

 

[JEI]

If a team wont trade value for him than a a team will never sign him to an offersheet.

Which means hes at the Leafs mercy as to what contract to accept.

Oh I don't think he'll get an offersheet..or at least, I'll be extremely surprised if it's so high the Leafs don't match.

 

[moon111]

As much as I like this Marner kid, if history repeats itself, wouldn't be the first time the return from an over-hyped young player brings in enough for that team to go win the Cup.

 

[moon111]

It would be hilarious if Nylander outproduces Marner next year and the narrative goes to: Well he only produced because of Matthews, and trade his while his value is still high.

Nylander could quickly turn into the best forward contract on the team tbh (Unless Kadri bounces back or Kappy/Johnsson have a monster year as well). He's not that far behind Marner when both are at the tops of their games.

Matthews-Nylander actually have a higher xGF% than Tavares-Marner. We need Babcock to smarten up and keep both pairs together for the year.

Nylander to Matthews, lots of regular season fun. Come the playoffs, teams focus on that and shut it down.
Marner to Tavares, lots of regular season fun. Come the playoffs, Boston shuts Tavares down.

One-dimensional play from your top lines ends up getting X's and O's sandbagged.
Why would you take one of the best snipers on centers and give him a right-winger with literately one of the worst assist rates in the history of the game?
Babcock wasn't out to get the best results, he was out to get the best Matthews. Matthews hasn't been getting assists, and this year they've developed his game to the point
where he hit 1.71 assists per game. He can already fire the puck like Kessel, now he can pass like Bozak? Matthews puts his feet into the NHL as a star, now he's taking it further.

Babcock is turning Matthews from a predictable player to someone who you can't stop.

 

[HappyJoy]

Just pay him 10.5 X 5 cuz that offer sheet is pretty likely . If you go into four pick territory I assume they go 7 years at something the leafs won't match

I think 5 year contract is out of the question for the leafs. Dont believe they would want WN, AM and MM hitting UFA at the same time.