Salary Cap: Mitch Marner Contract Discussion Part VIII | We Waitin'

[JT AM da real deal]

He's an outstanding young player who we drafted and developed. In addition, he's asking to be paid fairly! It's a business at the end of the day.

You sign and retain him at all reasonable cost. If we need to match the deal Auston signed for, then you bite your lip and do it because he's that good.

I'd rather trade Kadri, Brown to create that added space because I think Mitch is not even a finished product yet.

Yes, we'll be hurting our team's depth, but Kadri and Brown both had subpar years last season. We can replace Brown with Trevor Moore who will produce similarly, and I'm not really sure we desperately need Kadri's offense. We can replace him with a two-way C on the 3rd line who may chip in offensively but can be pre-dominantly a defensive specialist - perhaps a Roope Hintz.

If there was no CBA and hard cAP then yes getter done. But the NHL is a hard CAP league right now supporting weaker US southern teams. So the rich teams like the Leafs play ball with Bettman and unfortunately have to manage their 3rd best player inside the CAP. If Marner gets outside of his CAP fit then he must find a new place to play in league. and Leafs have no real choice unless they want to ice a team with fewer roster players which is possible.

 

[Mess]

Who'd have thought it was easier to sign the American kid from the desert than to sign the lifelong, "dreams really do come true" local golden boy leaf fan

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Dubas sunk his own Battleship with Marner because of the Matthew's contract overpayment for only 5 years service.

Had the Matthews contract been $11,634 mil for 8 years to get that 2nd highest NHL AAV not for 5 years than trying to sign Marner for $10 mil X 8 years (rumoured Leafs offer on the table) would make sense in terms of apples to apples negotiations.

Dubas made Matthews among the highest paid players in the game, so nothing to struggle signing for Matthews over.

Now Marner's position is if you gave Matthews top $$ for 1 year of UFA service and 4 RFA years, then I want my deal to be structured similarly, and thinks he would be nuts to have to give up 4 years of UFA status to earn less. Marner's camp is working off of a $10 mil X 5 years floor with a $11 mil X 5 year ceiling.

This really isn't about Nationalities and loyalties this is all about past precedence and now trying to move the goal posts on future signings by the GM that has put the Leafs in this situation as a result of his own doing and previous actions.

This situation isn't a player issue its a GM created one.

 

[biotk]

Sounds like someone who doesn't understand you need skill to win.

Leafs still have lots of skill without Marner. Without him they could improve their D. Better off without him.

 

[willmma]

JUST as an FYI here is an example of Ferris' work (Marners agent). They guys sucks at his job. He threatens with everything imaginable then signs **** contracts for cheap......

Sam Bennett 2 years 3.39M AAV
Athanasiou 2 years 3M AAV
Josh Anderson 3 years 1.85M AAV

LMAO

So do not freak out Leafs fans. No matter what you hear. This is just how the agent works.

So true.
Last year we had the Tavares signing to keep our minds off Willy.

This year we are focused on Match and half of the board looks like this:

 

[Subway Schenn]

The best thing is, is that Marner will sign pretty much the deal he want's pretty soon and proudly wear the B&W, and knowing he will leave it all on the ice every night because he plays for the team he grew up cheering for, even though enduring all the mediocre teams he had to watch, he still believed in them. Mitch also believes that he can be the guy to bring it home to TO and knows what a great thing that would be.

That's a nice thought. And it could well be true but at some point lil Mitch will have to step up to dad or we'll all watch this dramatically go south.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Every contract is unique. If this went to an arb hearing, Marner would get the matthews deal.

What makes you say that?

 

[ACC1224]

The original team has invested a lot of time and money in developing the young (RFA) players and it helps the not so good organizations hold on to the young stars' longer

Wouldn't they have invested even more time and money into a potential UFA?

 

[Suntouchable13]

You guys want Marner signed and keep both Willy and Kadri? One of them will have to be sacrificed for a top 4 dman. There is no other way around it. Unless you guys want to keep wasting JTs and Matthews years.

 

[MattySnipes]

Right now Point is better. But when Kuch sighed, Stamkos was the top centre.

Using your logic, Kuch should not have been able to get paid more than Stammer based on position.

Ovi is the highest paid player in Wash.

Good players should get paid, regardless of position.

Can't say that. Due to inflation, growth of game, and cap increases there is more money in the game. Kuch has been brilliant since signing that short prove it deal. He earned the 9.5 (equal to about 10.5m + anywhere else). He's scoring goals, piling up the points, winning major hardware, etc.

Stamkos signed that deal many years ago when there was less money in the game. And on top he also gave the Bolts a discount. Stamkos while a C by position is more of a winger. Anyone will tell you that. He ain't a bonafide centreman and has suffered major injuries which have really broken him.

Ovechkin is generational, Marner is not.

 

[ACC1224]

That's a nice thought. And it could well be true but at some point lil Mitch will have to step up to dad or we'll all watch this dramatically go south.

What does that even mean?

 

[Mr Hockey]

Dubas sunk his own Battleship with Marner because of the Matthew's contract overpayment for only 5 years service.

Had the Matthews contract been $11,634 mil for 8 years to get that 2nd highest NHL AAV not for 5 years than trying to sign Marner for $10 mil X 8 years (rumoured Leafs offer on the table) would make sense in terms of apples to apples negotiations.

Dubas made Matthews among the highest paid players in the game, so nothing to struggle signing for Matthews over.

Now Marner's position is if you gave Matthews top $$ for 1 year of UFA service and 4 RFA years, then I want my deal to be structured similarly, and thinks he would be nuts to have to give up 4 years of UFA status to earn less. Marner's camp is working off of a $10 mil X 5 years floor with a $11 mil X 5 year ceiling.

This really isn't about Nationalities and loyalties this is all about past precedence and now trying to move the goal posts on future signings by the GM that has put the Leafs in this situation as a result of his own doing and previous actions.

This situation isn't a player issue its a GM created one.

I believe Dubi should have just paid Nylander and battled hard with the Matthews camp, Dubi screwed himself and the league with the Matthews deal... Matthews is going to want 15AAV for his next contract lol

 

[The CyNick]

Leafs still have lots of skill without Marner. Without him they could improve their D. Better off without him.

Devil is in the detail. Who do we get instead of marner? What is the D help?

 

[MattySnipes]

Who'd have thought it was easier to sign the American kid from the desert than to sign the lifelong, "dreams really do come true" local golden boy leaf fan

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The Canadian kids (except JT) always bend us over. I knew it. Didn't think Mitch would take it this far based off of his vibe and personality. But as mentioned, there are a lot of parties in this negotiation and they all want a piece of their pie. When the family gets involved that's when it's hard on the player. Hard to pick sides. Mitch wants to be a Leaf, final call will be his. Just has a strange way of showing it. Sign already.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Yup very true lol Search Results for Query: nylander | HFBoards - NHL Message Board and Forum for National Hockey League

Your "evidence" proves my point for me. Thanks.

 

[Subway Schenn]

What does that even mean?

What do you think it means?

 

[Mr Hockey]

Wouldn't they have invested even more time and money into a potential UFA?

you can't build and run an org off UFA, you need the RFA's in the org to keep the engine running

 

[IPS]

You guys want Marner signed and keep both Willy and Kadri? One of them will have to be sacrificed for a top 4 dman. There is no other way around it. Unless you guys want to keep wasting JTs and Matthews years.

A logical restructure would likely looks like trading Kadri for a RHD and finding a cheap 3rd line center who can PK that you can sign/trade for. You do not want Willy on 3C, it's a complete waste. I would also have a Connor Brown trade in there too to ensure cap space for a new top-4 RHD.

 

[JayfromNB1219]

So what? It's well within his rights to look after his future. You guys are acting like a bunch of jilted teenage girls. As long as he signs with the Leafs, who cares?

Anyone who wants the leafs to be able to have room to fix other inefficiencies within the team...of course money and term matter and of course fans have an issue with a guy and/or his agent attempting to really mess their team up with unrealistic salary expectations...he wants to be paid more than a Hart trophy winner in Kucherov who led the league in points last year if I am not mistaken...jilted teenage girls...naw...more like actual fans who want this team to do well lol

 

[18leafsfan18]

Dubas sunk his own Battleship with Marner because of the Matthew's contract overpayment for only 5 years service.

Had the Matthews contract been $11,634 mil for 8 years to get that 2nd highest NHL AAV not for 5 years than trying to sign Marner for $10 mil X 8 years (rumoured Leafs offer on the table) would make sense in terms of apples to apples negotiations.

Dubas made Matthews among the highest paid players in the game, so nothing to struggle signing for Matthews over.

Now Marner's position is if you gave Matthews top $$ for 1 year of UFA service and 4 RFA years, then I want my deal to be structured similarly, and thinks he would be nuts to have to give up 4 years of UFA status to earn less. Marner's camp is working off of a $10 mil X 5 years floor with a $11 mil X 5 year ceiling.

This really isn't about Nationalities and loyalties this is all about past precedence and now trying to move the goal posts on future signings by the GM that has put the Leafs in this situation as a result of his own doing and previous actions.

This situation isn't a player issue its a GM created one.

Matthews is way better then Marner. That's why he was paid more. Pretty Simple.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Assume you guys saw this:





So if the Islanders were to sign Mitch to 12M, we take the 4 firsts, offersheet another team with our own picks, likely save cap space in the process AND have higher picks for 4 years.

Quite a few teams with talent that is holding out for a better offer. Not just forwards, guys like Provorov as well.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Matthews is way better then Marner. That's why he was paid more. Pretty Simple.

Not to mention, I think Matthews camp used Malkin, Crosby as comparables and not Eichel or McDavid. Matthews got term equal to their first contracts post ELC and Dubas got him to come down on the cap % because he hadn't accomplished what they had.

Marner has no comparable to any of those 3.

 

[Rob Brown]

Assume you guys saw this:





So if the Islanders were to sign Mitch to 12M, we take the 4 firsts, offersheet another team with our own picks, likely save cap space in the process AND have higher picks for 4 years.

Quite a few teams with talent that is holding out for a better offer. Not just forwards, guys like Provorov as well.

Dubas doesn't really strike me as that kind of person. In your example, the Islanders sheet Mitch and we let him go, why would we retaliate against another team that didn't do anything to us? It just seems unlikely to me.

 

[Kiwi]

it's become very clear that Marner's sticking to no more then a 5 year deal

TERM is important and Mitch IS NOT looking for anything longer then 5 years

So? If there's no offersheet he's still an RFA and if he's gotta sit for a year before he's willing to sign 9.75×7 he sits

It's time to start using our leverage

 

[biotk]

Devil is in the detail. Who do we get instead of marner? What is the D help?

Don't care. I have looked at dozens of scenarios - at least one would work out. Too many people look at getting an elite player in return. Instead you can likely get a good package that fills in a lot of holes.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Leafs are trying to win a cup in the next 5 years, those 1st round picks will be useless unless used in a trade

True but it's also the $11M in cap savings. Imagine who you could target with $11M and 4 firsts as a sweetener? There's probably 10 players in the league that would be out of reach.