Salary Cap: Mitch Marner Contract Discussion Part VIII | We Waitin'

[PemIceKing]

Our boy is getting paid, getting paid Matthews money.

Nope

 

[Avilaj07]

Leafs don’t have their 1st to offer. Even if they did Calgary would match that.

If it's more then 1 first round pick, it doesn't have to be consecutive years. For example if the compensation is 2 firsts and a second, we could use 2021 and 2022 first

 

[ACC1224]

If it's more then 1 first round pick, it doesn't have to be consecutive years. For example if the compensation is 2 firsts and a second, we could use 2021 and 2022 first

I didn’t know you could defer the 1st.
Calgary isn’t letting him go for that return anyway.

 

[Caesium]

How much is 4 firsts? I hope Dubas holds firm. Love Mitch, but I don't want us to be held hostage.

If it's a choice between Mitch vs 4 first round draft picks + 12 million in cap space to spend, I'm taking the picks.

Would you like to show how the Leafs have 12 million in cap right now?

 

[Stephen]

Definitely dumb as **** to fight with your 4th overall pick over rookie bonuses.

Lou being Lou.

But respect is also a two way street. Flying around on an RFA tour courting an offer sheet on a publicity stunt can also be construed as pretty disrespectful to the organization that's in the process of throwing live bodies and draft picks overboard. Yes, that idiot Dreger is right when he says it's within the rules of the CBA, but how's Marner going to like it if the Leafs invited Laine, Rantanen, Aho, Werenski over for a wine and dine?

 

[Kiwi]

How much is 4 firsts? I hope Dubas holds firm. Love Mitch, but I don't want us to be held hostage.

If it's a choice between Mitch vs 4 first round draft picks + 12 million in cap space to spend, I'm taking the picks.

Let's put it this way, 4 1sts is enough for me not to offersheet somebody like Marner

Image if you pulled an Ottowa? Bloody hell that's franchise killing for a decade

I'm definitely not budging until I see an actual offersheet with Marner's name on it, then I'd make a calculation on what I'd do afterwards, most likely not matching

 

[DarkKnight]

Great, let’s get Marleau back. I mean...

 

[biotk]

So.. it'll be difficult to convince Marner to take less. What's Dubas going to say? "Oh sorry Mitch, we overpaid Matthews. That was our bad. Don't use that contract as a comparison, it was a mistake. Now sign for under 10m and oh, at more than 5 years, so you'll be ufa at 28-29 ish.?"

"Sorry Mitch, we understand that you have been the best 5v5 goal scorer since you entered the league. Wait...sorry that was Matthews? Well that's ok. You must have right behind him though? What? Oh, turns out he was 15% ahead of anyone else. But surely you were top 10? 112th? Oh ok. But Matthews got play to Tavares so that explains it for him. Really? It was you who played with Tavares. But Tavares must have increased his point totals by a couple dozen going from his terrible linemates on the Island to playing with you, right? Up by 4...and scoring was up this year? Who was it you said you wanted to paid the same as?"

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Let's put it this way, 4 1sts is enough for me not to offersheet somebody like Marner

Image if you pulled an Ottowa? Bloody hell that's franchise killing for a decade

I'm definitely not budging until I see an actual offersheet with Marner's name on it, then I'd make a calculation on what I'd do afterwards, most likely not matching

Too bad there's no star level defenseman on the UFA market. I take the picks and then turn around and use the cap space to fill our biggest needs. I suppose we could turn around and move some of those firsts to acquire a defenseman in trade though.

 

[Avilaj07]

Great, let’s get Marleau back. I mean...

Perry actually brings something to this team that we desperately need. If we could get him for 2 years at 2.5 million, I don't think there's a single person that could complain about that deal.

 

[DarkKnight]

Perry actually brings something to this team that we desperately need. If we could get him for 2 years at 2.5 million, I don't think there's a single person that could complain about that deal.

What does he bring? He looks spent to me, lot of miles on that body. I love Perry, I mean loved.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Would you like to show how the Leafs have 12 million in cap right now?

If they don't, how will they sign Marner? Kind of a circular argument because his point stands no matter what number you pick.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Perry actually brings something to this team that we desperately need. If we could get him for 2 years at 2.5 million, I don't think there's a single person that could complain about that deal.

I would. A player on an ELC can bring as much or more. Going after Perry for that price wouldn't be smart

 

[Kiwi]

**** that, 1 year or no thanks

Great, let’s get Marleau back. I mean...

You'd think we would have learned wouldn't you?

Too bad there's no star level defenseman on the UFA market. I take the picks and then turn around and use the cap space to fill our biggest need. I suppose we could turn around and move some of those firsts to acquire a defenseman in trade though.

I'd turn around and offersheet Aho or point, just for the lols

Then i'd smarten up and trade for a defenseman with my assets and cap space like a sane person

 

[Heisen]

Hopefully Willy K's 5.9 x 8 cap hit will bring Marner's ego down a little.

 

[Caesium]

Too bad there's no star level defenseman on the UFA market. I take the picks and then turn around and use the cap space to fill our biggest need. I suppose we could turn around and move some of those firsts to acquire a defenseman in trade though.

I doubt there is much available on the trade market for just draft picks. Only rebuilding teams would want to trade a stud defenseman for draft picks, and even then that player would have to be someone they don't want to build around for the future. The Senators, Kings, Rangers, and Red Wings are the only teams I think you can say are clearly in full rebuild mode right now. I don't think you're getting Chabot for draft picks. You might get Shattenkirk, Staal, Green, or Martinez.

 

[biotk]

Perhaps people can help me out because I forget. Perry is a right hand D, right?

 

[biotk]

Perry actually brings something to this team that we desperately need. If we could get him for 2 years at 2.5 million, I don't think there's a single person that could complain about that deal.

Freddie could probably complain when he realizes that the team has no D to play in front of him.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Would you like to show how the Leafs have 12 million in cap right now?

Really?

Toronto Maple Leafs - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

The Leafs have 69.3M in salary commitments (including Johnsson and Kapanen's new deals), while Horton's remaining year can go on LTIR. That gives us roughly 12.2 million in cap space over all.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Freddie could probably complain when he realizes that the team has no D to play in front of him.

Teams will be too distracted by Perry's physicality and grit to think about offense though

 

[Caesium]

Really?

Toronto Maple Leafs - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

The Leafs have 69.3M in salary commitments (including Johnsson and Kapanen's new deals) + Horton's deal which can go on LTIR. That gives us roughly 12.7 million in cap space over all.

Great, now go to the armchair GM mode and actually try to put together a 22 or 23 man roster. With AJ and KK they are at 17 roster spots accounted for. If you want to play the season with 5 D and 11 F then by all means go ahead.

 

[The CyNick]

"Sorry Mitch, we understand that you have been the best 5v5 goal scorer since you entered the league. Wait...sorry that was Matthews? Well that's ok. You must have right behind him though? What? Oh, turns out he was 15% ahead of anyone else. But surely you were top 10? 112th? Oh ok. But Matthews got play to Tavares so that explains it for him. Really? It was you who played with Tavares. But Tavares must have increased his point totals by a couple dozen going from his terrible linemates on the Island to playing with you, right? Up by 4...and scoring was up this year? Who was it you said you wanted to paid the same as?"

If only matthews could stay on the ice, this argument might matter.

Teams win with real goals, not projected goals. Marner was on the ice for a lot more than matthews. That's worth something.

 

[The Shadow]

What teams can legitimately take a run at an offer sheet on Marner?

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Great, now go to the armchair GM mode and actually try to put together a 22 or 23 man roster. With AJ and KK they are at 17 roster spots accounted for. If you want to play the season with 5 D and 11 F then by all means go ahead.

Nice moving the goal posts. You asked incredulously how the Leafs could possibly have 12 million in cap space:

Would you like to show how the Leafs have 12 million in cap right now?

And I showed you:

Toronto Maple Leafs - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Our many needs to fill are precisely why I said you couldn't give Marner what he wants (presumably 11.34M). We need to spend some of that money elsewhere, which is why I said if given the option I take the picks and spend the 12M elsewhere. Not sure how that was hard to understand.

 

[Caesium]

Nice moving the goal posts. You asked incredulously how the Leafs could possibly have 12 million in cap space:

And I showed you.

Toronto Maple Leafs - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Our many needs to fill are precisely why I said you couldn't give Marner what he wants (presumably 11.34M). We need to spend some of that money elsewhere, which is why I said if given the option I take the picks and spend the 12M elsewhere. Not sure how that was hard to understand.

That isn't moving the goal posts. Cap space is only real if you can actually spend it. You can't sign a 12 million dollar player without having to shed salary when you actually ice a full roster.