Salary Cap: Mitch Marner Contract Discussion Part VII | The Saga Continues

[Joey Hoser]

I hope Marner goes and has an interview with Minnesota or some other backwoods team that his agent sets him up with, so he can sit there thinking to himself "wtf am I doing here? This is stupid".

 

[ToneDog]

Nobody is giving up 4 1sts and paying Marner $11M. The threats to offersheet a Leaf are over IMO.

 

[ToneDog]

Nylander wasnt eligible for an offer sheet

Why not ??

 

[Notsince67]

Nylander wasnt eligible for an offer sheet

I believe you are mistaken.

 

[Joey Hoser]

Nobody is giving up 4 1sts and paying Marner $11M. The threats to offersheet a Leaf are over IMO.

Yeah, I'm not sure how anyone can think that one team(us) shouldn't pay Marner 11 million, but at the same time, any other team could/should pay him that much AND give up FOUR UNPROTECTED first round picks in order to do it.

Doesn't make sense, and never has.

 

[Walshy7]

Yeah, I’d 100% leak that we are talking to some of the top UFA’s and may begin looking at the trade market for Marner.

It’s clear as day the Marner camp is pumping things to Dreger to set salary expectations high with people (which has worked with some lol).

So we might as well use the media to show that we are looking at other options, and our other options is more realistic than the Marner camp wanting a 12.5M offer sheet lol

For sure, there has to be a walk away point here. Talk to panarin, seems very unlikely though sounds like he wants Florida according to “insiders”. Talk to everyone not even as a tactic just as a smart thing to do. What if panarin says $10.5m/$11m will do me? You’d take that AND 4x 1sts over marner at $12 wouldn’t you?

I mean posters here yesterday ready to tear dubas’ Head off for trading one with marleau so 4 must be worth an incredible amount to those posters

 

[Walshy7]

Yeah, I'm not sure how anyone can think that one team(us) shouldn't pay Marner 11 million, but at the same time, any other team could/should pay him that much AND give up FOUR UNPROTECTED first round picks in order to do it.

Doesn't make sense, and never has.

I guess the thinking is we have 2 other elite offensive talents and nylander a step below, while a lot of other teams have maybe only 1 elite offensive talent so would be willing to make the offersheet.

Still doubt it happens but I guess that’d be the thinking

 

[Joey Hoser]

I guess the thinking is we have 2 other elite offensive talents and nylander a step below, while a lot of other teams have maybe only 1 elite offensive talent so would be willing to make the offersheet.

Still doubt it happens but I guess that’d be the thinking

The two valuations are just so out of whack though.

A) Marner is not worth 11 million
B) Marner is worth 11 million plus 4 unprotected first round picks

There are no team-specific situations that can make up that difference, it's just crazy.

 

[Walshy7]

The two valuations are just so out of whack though.

A) Marner is not worth 11 million
B) Marner is worth 11 million plus 4 unprotected first round picks

There are no team-specific situations that can make up that difference, it's just crazy.

100% agree. I think marner is getting $11m+ though seems dug in on that amount, him and his petty dad feel they are under appreciated all Mitch’s career. I sincerely hope we aren’t the ones to sign that ridiculous contract with him

 

[ShaneFalco]

100% agree. I think marner is getting $11m+ though seems dug in on that amount, him and his petty dad feel they are under appreciated all Mitch’s career. I sincerely hope we aren’t the ones to sign that ridiculous contract with him

I’m starting to really like to look of the assets we could get back for him at this,point. Nothing over 10-10.5 for me

 

[DarkKnight]

One thing this saga shows, the old narrative that Leaf fans would give homeboy Marner a pass, whilst ripping the foreign born Nylander, was pure bunk....as I said at the time. The vitriol towards Marner at the moment is exactly the same.

Personally, I blame management for botching the Big 3. Here we sit, not surprised at all.

 

[Not My Tempo]

Lol Mitch’s dad was complaining during the 14-15 season that the media was spending all of their time talking about McDavid and Eichel. I’m pretty sure Marner’s camp just has a huge inferiority complex.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Dubas didn't have a problem paying a 1st to trade Marleau because we will have four more shortly

 

[Cor]

Lol Mitch’s dad was complaining during the 14-15 season that the media was spending all of their time talking about McDavid and Eichel. I’m pretty sure Marner’s camp just has a huge inferiority complex.

Yeah, I can 100% see Paul Marner/Darren Ferris telling Mitch he needs to go somewhere where he’s the guy, instead of staying on a great team.

 

[Faltorvo]

One thing this saga shows, the old narrative that Leaf fans would give homeboy Marner a pass, whilst ripping the foreign born Nylander, was pure bunk....as I said at the time. The vitriol towards Marner at the moment is exactly the same.

Personally, I blame management for botching the Big 3. Here we sit, not surprised at all.

It all started when we caved to Melander.

 

[Not My Tempo]

If they do lose marner you want to replace him with another forward? Instead of using the cap space on a legit top pair D ?

Marner and Z for Doughty +

I been think about this a lot and idk, I actually think we’d be better if we get a top pairing (but not #1D) and a replacement top line winger.

No idea if Carolina would do it, or what would be needed to make it work, but

Marner
Zaitsev

For

Hamilton/Pesce (whoever you value more)
Teravainen

Then we also have additional cap space and we can go after Colin Miller or someone.

Johnsson - Matthews - Nylander
Hyman - Tavares - Teravainen
Moore - Kadri - Kapanen
idk - GOAT - idk

Rielly - Hamilton
Muzzin - Miller
Dermott - Liljegren

 

[Sypher04]

Personally, I blame management for botching the Big 3. Here we sit, not surprised at all.

I think management should have been on these contracts a year ago, but there's also nothing to say Mitch and Auston were willing to sign before they played their final elc year. They both had some incentive not to, so who knows tbh. Beyond that, I'm not sure what specific fault the management really takes. I mean, these young guys are integral parts of the team and honestly have all the leverage these days, because they know it. We needed one of them to say, you know what, we have a great team here, and I wanna play for a great team, so I'm willing to not push for top dollar this time. None of them have opted to do that... that's not really on Dubas and company as far as I see it. It is really quite disappointing though to see.

 

[Faltorvo]

Yeah, I can 100% see Paul Marner/Darren Ferris telling Mitch he needs to go somewhere where he’s the guy, instead of staying on a great team.

Welp, bye bye and hello 4 1rsts.

With our draft and development system, those 4 1rsts could be worth way more then a 11m per MM.

 

[dubey]

Dubas didn't have a problem paying a 1st to trade Marleau because we will have four more shortly

4 more 1sts! 4 more 1sts!

 

[Sypher04]

It all started when we caved to Melander.

How did we cave to Nylander? He called us last minute and lowered his ask to get the deal done. We have been told this.

 

[Faltorvo]

I think management should have been on these contracts a year ago, but there's also nothing to say Mitch and Auston were willing to sign before they played their final elc year. They both had some incentive not to, so who knows tbh. Beyond that, I'm not sure what specific fault the management really takes. I mean, these young guys are integral parts of the team and honestly have all the leverage these days, because they know it. We needed one of them to say, you know what, we have a great team here, and I wanna play for a great team, so I'm willing to not push for top dollar this time. None of them have opted to do that... that's not really on Dubas and company as far as I see it. It is really quite disappointing though to see.

I'm sorry, please tell me, what leverage these RFAs have??

they either sign/sit or offer sheet.

if they sit, i say "so what"

If they offer sheet and i take the boat load of 1rsts.

 

[Sypher04]

Welp, bye bye and hello 4 1rsts.

With our draft and development system, those 4 1rsts could be worth way more then a 11m per MM.

Highly highly unlikely. If Marner is offersheeted, you match it and trade him if need be later on your own terms. 4 firsts of unknown quality doesn't help us build a winner now

 

[Caesium]

it's based on AAV, the 5 year calculation is only used in contracts exceeding 5 years

as an example a 6 year deal at lets say 63 million is considered a 12.5m cap hit for compensation purposes

a 3 year at 10.55 is still 4 1st's

10.55 is not four 1sts. The cut off for four 1sts is $10,568,590.

 

[Sypher04]

I'm sorry, please tell me, what leverage these RFAs have??

they either sign/sit or offer sheet.

if they sit, i say "so what"

If they offer sheet and i take the boat load of 1rsts.

Mitch Marner or Auston Matthews withholding their service hurts us even more than it hurts them.

And 4 1sts for Marner is a garbage return that no Leaf fan should he hoping for. There is absolutely no garauntee those picks are better than middling first rounders, that maybe 2-3 are nhlers if you're lucky and even if they are, odds are low they come close to the quality of the player we lost.

We match, even if we have to trade Marner next summer. He goes on our terms, not his. You need proven assets to ready to help this team if you're losing a 94 point, 22 year old

 

[Faltorvo]

How did we cave to Nylander? He called us last minute and lowered his ask to get the deal done. We have been told this.

A) IMO Melanders lowered asking price was 1 million too high and 2 years term too short.
B) as it turned out, waiting that long to force his hand had terrible ramifications , 10 million in cap space chewed up on a player that had a absolutely GARBAGE season because and i quote so many Melander fans here, "because he missed so much time".