Salary Cap: Mitch Marner Contract Discussion Part VII | The Saga Continues

[Ziggdiezan]

Marner to the Canes for Pesce, Foegele, Roy and (our) 1st before July 1st. Sign Tanev with the remaining cap savings. Are we a better team ???

Dont see that much value in Foegele or Roy so Marner for Pesce+leafs 1st. Not good value at all to be honest.

 

[MyBudJT]

I don't think there's anything wrong with 6.9 for Nylander given how money is being handed out around the NHL. It should never have gone that long to get signed though.

Everyone is going to forget about the Nylander contract the longer this Marner one drags. The rage is slowly building.

Why though? It’s not even July 1st yet. The rage to Nylander didn’t start building until it was clear he was not going to training camp...

 

[Walshy7]

Marner to the Canes for Pesce, Foegele, Roy and (our) 1st before July 1st. Sign Tanev with the remaining cap savings. Are we a better team ???

Debatably. Problem is it’s going to be really hard to trade marner because teams won’t be sure he will sign. Canes also have to sign aho who once marner gets his $11m will probably become more difficult for them to sign

 

[ToneDog]

Dont see that much value in Foegele or Roy so Marner for Pesce+leafs 1st. Not good value at all to be honest.

I actually do not think the Canes make that trade. That haul is worth more than 4 1sts IMO.

 

[Goleafsgo95]

Also, keep in mind that if we were to lose him to an offersheet, we can trade those 4 first round picks for proven talent. It is not a horrible return like you are making it out to be. 4 1sts and 11M+ cap space is something we can definitely use to round out our roster around a still super talented core of Matthews, Tavares, Rielly, and Andersen.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

One thing this saga shows, the old narrative that Leaf fans would give homeboy Marner a pass, whilst ripping the foreign born Nylander, was pure bunk....as I said at the time. The vitriol towards Marner at the moment is exactly the same.

Personally, I blame management for botching the Big 3. Here we sit, not surprised at all.

Not to nitpick and Nylander definitely seems to identify as Swedish more than Canadian but he was born in Calgary and was raised mostly in Canada.

 

[Sypher04]

4 1sts on offer for a dman would get a hell of a dman. LA rebuilding maybe could get doughty or at least a couple of 1sts and a roster player/prospect type deal. The 4 1sts aren’t what people are valuing it’s what they can bring back in trade which is a lot

The deal you get for Marner is better than the 4 firsts probably every time.

 

[ToneDog]

Debatably. Problem is it’s going to be really hard to trade marner because teams won’t be sure he will sign. Canes also have to sign aho who once marner gets his $11m will probably become more difficult for them to sign

I know, no way Canes pay Marner $11M. No team will upset their salary structure to accommodate Marner. It will be interesting to know what Rantanten demands knowing that Mac is making $6M. The same for Laine, Connor, Point and the remaining RFAs.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

He wants to be paid relative to the other players on his team, which he has lead in scoring in two of the three years he has played in the league.

You are Paul Marner, aren't you?

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Outside of panarin, there is no other comparable player and likely won't be next year either

I would not bank on any of this and still have signing Marner the absolute top priority

Agreed but it's not just 4 firsts. My only point. It's a very decent fall-back position.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

I actually do not think the Canes make that trade. That haul is worth more than 4 1sts IMO.

I guess? What value do you give to Roy and Foegele? I would say probably like 3rd round pick value or less each, meaning Pesce is worth almost like 3 1st rounders? Idk

 

[Walshy7]

The deal you get for Marner is better than the 4 firsts probably every time.

Think about it. Who will trade marners worth when they aren’t sure if he will sign an offersheet or not?

 

[nuck]

Marner to the Canes for Pesce, Foegele, Roy and (our) 1st before July 1st. Sign Tanev with the remaining cap savings. Are we a better team ???

The Canes have reportedly refused a $9.5M offer from the Aho team. I am sure they would have no interest in paying Mitch's higher ask. I would try to work a deal with Anaheim around Manson because I think the Ducks would find a way to afford a marqee player to replace Perry and I think Mitch takes the deal if they are paying him what he wants..

 

[ShaneFalco]

Marner to the Canes for Pesce, Foegele, Roy and (our) 1st before July 1st. Sign Tanev with the remaining cap savings. Are we a better team ???

Yup

 

[ToneDog]

I guess? What value do you give to Roy and Foegele? I would say probably like 3rd round pick value or less each, meaning Pesce is worth almost like 3 1st rounders? Idk

You get your 1st back. Pesche > 1 first. Foegele and Roy > 1 first.

Worst case they are worth 3+ firsts but Pesce and Foegele are NHL ready and Roy is close.

 

[LeafsLegendAkiBerg]

Is there any indication that Marner would sign an offer sheet? I don't know, he's playing for the team he was a fan of growing up in the area that he grew up in on a cup contending team with a player he has a lot of chemistry with. I get that he wants to squeeze out as much money as he can from a deal, but I have the feeling that he wouldn't want to risk an offer sheet in the case that Toronto didn't match.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

You get your 1st back. Pesche > 1 first. Foegele and Roy > 1 first.

Worst case they are worth 3+ firsts but Pesce and Foegele are NHL ready and Roy is close.

Really, I would never think of giving up a 1st for Roy+Foegele. Dont see why Roy is that much of an upgrade over the Goat and Foegele though a LWer doesnt move the needle much. Especially with Mikheyev coming in. They are most likely 4th (maybe 3rd?) liners and would have pretty limited value I would think.

 

[Faltorvo]

1) calling him melander makes you sound like a complete fool
2) look around, Nylander's deal is quickly becoming average or better
3) Nylander ask was too high, so we waited it out to lower it, and did, but somehow that is also a mistake. You can't have it both ways.

it was a mistake for KD to accept that world class horrid deal

and it played out exactly that way last season 7 goals 20A = 27p -4 in 54 gp , 1g 2 a =3p in 7POgp
all that eliteness for 10 million in cap space.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

One thing this saga shows, the old narrative that Leaf fans would give homeboy Marner a pass, whilst ripping the foreign born Nylander, was pure bunk....as I said at the time. The vitriol towards Marner at the moment is exactly the same.

Personally, I blame management for botching the Big 3. Here we sit, not surprised at all.

It's going to be deliciously entertaining in here watching the Dubas/Nylander fans (who tend to be one and the same) experience the ultimate in cognitive dissonance when Marner signs for $10.516m x 5 followed up by Nylander receiving his bonus and then being traded for a RHD shortly thereafter.

The meltdowns will be spectacular!

 

[dubey]

Why though? It’s not even July 1st yet. The rage to Nylander didn’t start building until it was clear he was not going to training camp...

Because everyone is reading these stories about Marner and his dad in the media about how he wants to make as much as the highest paid player on the team, doesn't want a long term deal, will start meeting with other teams soon etc

And it's flying in the face of what everyone thought about him prior to this offseason

Not a good look! And hopefully there's a rosier picture happening behind the scenes but I doubt it

 

[Notsince67]

It all started when we caved to Melander.

Yup. Poisoned the well

 

[TimeZone]

Is there anyway I can see game logs, or just individual games that Marner has played at each position in the NHL?

Settling a debate with a not so bright Habs fan.

 

[Notsince67]

I do agree, but not nylander levels yet but also marner hasn’t gone as far yet so at equivalent stages of negotiations I do agree vitriol is similar

I was one suggesting marner wouldn’t receive same vitriol. But it is noticeable more than a few of the posters ripping nylander are advocating paying marner whatever he wants. I won’t name names because I’m sick of arguing with them.

Nobody wants to overpay Marner. Many of us saw the inevitability with the Nylander and Matthews contracts which you chose to ignore.

 

[Cor]

Vegas signs a center who has scored 67 goals over the past two years to a 8 year deal worth under 6M per year, and Mitch Marner's camp is expecting more than double that salary on an offer sheet.

Honestly, I don't think the offer sheet market for Marner will be as good as they think, and any teams considering it, will likely come in around the same price point as we are.

 

[MyBudJT]

Because everyone is reading these stories about Marner and his dad in the media about how he wants to make as much as the highest paid player on the team, doesn't want a long term deal, will start meeting with other teams soon etc

And it's flying in the face of what everyone thought about him prior to this offseason

Not a good look! And hopefully there's a rosier picture happening behind the scenes but I doubt it

So, we should all be upset because of pure speculation? Until we hear things from the team or agent, speculation is all it is at this point.