Salary Cap: Mitch Marner Contract Discussion Part VII | The Saga Continues

[4thline]

A Hawks fan has offered what would amount to a perfect fallback position if we can't get a deal in place, Saad+Mitchell+2020 1st + 2021 1st.

Saad-Matthews-Nylander
Johnsson-Tavares-Kapanen
Hyman-Kadri-Brown
Mikheyev-Gauthier-Moore
Petan

Rielly-xxx
Muzzin-Zaitsev
Dermott-Liljegren
Rosen

4.3 million in capspace to fill xxx. 18 picks in the next two drafts (three 1st rounders), and a top notch rhd prospect that slots in a half step behind Sandin/Liljegren.

As nice as it was having Marner feed JT, Tavares as long shown the ability to drive a strong 1st line with 2nd line wingers. Similarly Kadri as played some of his best hockey as the most skilled player driving a grimy muck line that thrives on confusion and turnovers. Also wouldn't be against moving Brown to sign Connolly, get a little heavier. That's a strong and deep playoff ready team.

 

[dubey]

So, we should all be upset because of pure speculation? Until we hear things from the team or agent, speculation is all it is at this point.

You're asking me why people are upset so I told you why. You're welcome.

 

[MyBudJT]

You're asking me why people are upset so I told you why. You're welcome.

It just sounds like people here are being petty and dramatic.

 

[dubey]

It just sounds like people here are being petty and dramatic.

Not just here. Look at the comments on Marner's instagram and like you said it's not even July 1st

 

[MyBudJT]

Vegas signs a center who has scored 67 goals over the past two years to a 8 year deal worth under 6M per year, and Mitch Marner's camp is expecting more than double that salary on an offer sheet.

Honestly, I don't think the offer sheet market for Marner will be as good as they think, and any teams considering it, will likely come in around the same price point as we are.

Non-tax state signs another player for a discount.

Marner also scored 38 more points than him this season.

 

[A1LeafNation]

If I'm Dubas, today is the last day for Marner to agree to a 8 years @ 9.95m.

If he doesn't agree, I sign Panarin and don't sign a contract with Marner until after Dec 1.

If he signs an offersheet, I take the picks and run.

It to the point where Marner is causing problems from my team moving forward. If Marner isn't being offered that much, then it's on Dubas.

 

[Cor]

Non-tax state signs another player for a discount.

Marner also scored 38 more points than him this season.

The difference of tax between TOR and VGK on a 5.8M contract is about 900K.

It doesn't warrant double the salary.

 

[MyBudJT]

The difference of tax between TOR and VGK on a 5.8M contract is about 900K.

It doesn't warrant double the salary.

Right, and given that Mitch Marner is a significantly better player, somewhere between 10.5-11M seems appropriate on an 8 year deal.

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

this entire contract debacle we are facing with Marner (and Matthews signing at 11.5M) is due to Edmonton and their incompetent former GM Chia. If he hadn't offered McDavid 13.5M (which was reduced to 12.5M by McDavid himself), and instead had offered to sign him for ~10.5M over 5 or 6 years, it would have kept the Matthews contract to ~9M and Marner's contract at about 7.5M to 8M.

the fact that McDavid signed at 12.5M raised the bar for everyone else in the league. they literally f***ed the entire league single-handedly by giving McDavid such a high contract after his rookie contract.

f*** edmonton, and their incompetent management. hopefully they're shit for the next 20 years.

 

[Cor]

Right, and given that Mitch Marner is a significantly better player, somewhere between 10.5-11M seems appropriate on an 8 year deal.

I'd feel more comfortable with 6 years at 9.3-9.7M

 

[Notsince67]

If I'm Dubas, today is the last day for Marner to agree to a 8 years @ 9.95m.

If he doesn't agree, I sign Panarin and don't sign a contract with Marner until after Dec 1.

If he signs an offersheet, I take the picks and run.

It to the point where Marner is causing problems from my team moving forward. If Marner isn't being offered that much, then it's on Dubas.

Where do you find the 12mm to sign Panarin?

 

[Mr Hockey]

this entire contract debacle we are facing with Marner (and Matthews signing at 11.5M) is due to Edmonton and their incompetent former GM Chia. If he hadn't offered McDavid 13.5M (which was reduced to 12.5M by McDavid himself), and instead had offered to sign him for ~10.5M over 5 or 6 years, it would have kept the Matthews contract to ~9M and Marner's contract at about 7.5M to 8M.

the fact that McDavid signed at 12.5M raised the bar for everyone else in the league. they literally ****ed the entire league single-handedly by giving McDavid such a high contract after his rookie contract.

**** edmonton, and their incompetent management. hopefully they're **** for the next 20 years.

Matthews wanted 14 mil over 8 years ...

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Right, and given that Mitch Marner is a significantly better player, somewhere between 10.5-11M seems appropriate on an 8 year deal.

Mitch Marner is not the best winger in the league and shouldnt be paid as the best in the league.

Give him the Patrick Kanes deal (10.6% x 5 years) so with an 81.5 million dollar ceiling we are looking at 8.6 x 5 years. The idea of giving him 10 million for 5 years is insane I think.

 

[HappyJoy]

The difference of tax between TOR and VGK on a 5.8M contract is about 900K.
It doesn't warrant double the salary.

Well MEarner fangirls will use any bullshit excuse to justify overpaying him. This time it's the good old "tax free" state arguement.

To me, the real thing to take away from the W Karlsson signing is that he loves playing in Vegas (like the supposed good 'ol Ontario boy loves playing in TOR...) that he accepted a lower AAV than he couldve, on a 8 year deal no less.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Where do you find the 12mm to sign Panarin?

Not sign Marner.

 

[MyBudJT]

Mitch Marner is not the best winger in the league and shouldnt be paid as the best in the league.

Give him the Patrick Kanes deal (10.6% x 5 years) so with an 81.5 million dollar ceiling we are looking at 8.6 x 5 years. The idea of giving him 10 million for 5 years is insane I think.

If you account for inflation, 10.5-11M isn't the highest paid winger in the league though.

 

[Cor]

If Mitch Marner wants a 5 year, deal, I perfectly understand. I think it's smart to sign shorter term deals as a young player, and cash in on a bigger cap down the road. It's what NBA players do.

But it's 9M. And that's probably a bit high.

 

[MyBudJT]

If Mitch Marner wants a 5 year, deal, I perfectly understand. I think it's smart to sign shorter term deals as a young player, and cash in on a bigger cap down the road. It's what NBA players do.

But it's 9M. And that's probably a bit high.

5 x 9 is not high at all, it would be a great discount.

 

[therealkoho]

$12.5 + 4 1st rounders is just lunacy. I'm with the Leafs on calling this bluff. I really don't see the market as excited about offer sheeting him as the media.

I'd be excited about the picks because the franchise that thinks this is the right play is likely poorly run.

which is why only this guy has it and no other reputable source does, if this had a modicum of truth to it both TSN/SN would be all over it

this is such an idiotic lie that not even Dreger has touched it

is there a GM who has not only that kind of money but 4 1st's to burn, Mitch is not a franchise player that can lift a whole team, he's elite for sure and is an invaluable contributor but there isn't a GM in the league that believes he's worth that kind of money and in the process crippling yourself

 

[Cor]

5 x 9 is not high at all, it would be a great discount.

I mean, that's what Darren Dreger, Paul Marner, and Darren Ferris would want you to believe anyway.

If we compare him to Patrick Kane, who did more on his ELC than Marner did, who play in comparable markets, and even comparable teams, Marner should come in at 8.6M x 5.

So 9 is generous.

Now, consider Marner's camp apparently want at least 10M on a 5 year term.


It's ridiculous

 

[Pi]

I mean, that's what Darren Dreger, Paul Marner, and Darren Ferris would want you to believe anyway.

If we compare him to Patrick Kane, who did more on his ELC than Marner did, who play in comparable markets, and even comparable teams, Marner should come in at 8.6M x 5.

So 9 is generous.

Now, consider Marner's camp apparently want at least 10M on a 5 year term.


It's ridiculous

I think at this point you absolutely have to let Marner' and his agent's ego to deflate.

If we have to sign him, sign him late into the summer when they know there will be no offer sheets coming for what they want.

Marner is freaking good but he's not worth 10M on a 5 year deal. If he gets that offer sheet, I'd match it, make the money work for the year but I'd absolutely not be offering that at all.

It blows my mind that there are people who think Marner is better than Matthews.

 

[Walshy7]

Vegas signs a center who has scored 67 goals over the past two years to a 8 year deal worth under 6M per year, and Mitch Marner's camp is expecting more than double that salary on an offer sheet.

Honestly, I don't think the offer sheet market for Marner will be as good as they think, and any teams considering it, will likely come in around the same price point as we are.

Karlsson is barely even comparable to nylander let alone marner. Yes he scored a lot of goals one year but other than that 1 24 goal season and 6 and 9 goal seasons. Only once getting more than nylanders 61 points.

 

[Caesium]

Where do you find the 12mm to sign Panarin?

It's going to be fun reading the message board for whatever team signs Panarin for that much money in a couple of years. He isn't a young guy, if a team signs him for 7 years they're going to be in a lot of trouble in the last half of that contract.

 

[therealkoho]

Now trade Connor Brown for draft picks and sign MM for 9.5. Problem solved. MM is not 3 million dollars better than WN. One lousy low firstrounder is not the end of the world. Being a cowboy is.

Also Leafs are after a RD for four million. Dubas is no dumbass.

the problem is though that Willie isn't worth what he's paid, so there is that

 

[MyBudJT]

Now trade Connor Brown for draft picks and sign MM for 9.5. Problem solved. MM is not 3 million dollars better than WN. One lousy low firstrounder is not the end of the world. Being a cowboy is.

Also Leafs are after a RD for four million. Dubas is no dumbass.

Marner is very easily worth 3M more than Nylander. Every. Day. Of. The. Week.