Miscellaneous NHL Discussion LXXXVII: What An Ugly Number

[deadhead]

Is that the cap strapped team that just signed a bottom six forward for $2M?
But couldn't afford to keep another bottom six forward who only cost $1M?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Is that the cap strapped team that just signed a bottom six forward for $2M?
But couldn't afford to keep another bottom six forward who only cost $1M?

Nathan MacKinnon is a little different from NAK, who you should really just take your loss on as he's already been signed by another good team while your boy's favorite pets keep maxing out at PTOs.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

MacKinnon is signed for this upcoming season. His new deal will begin 2023-2024.

Rodrigues is a better player than NAK. He had 40+ points & played in Pittsburgh’s top six last year.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Is that the cap strapped team that just signed a bottom six forward for $2M?
But couldn't afford to keep another bottom six forward who only cost $1M?

This seems genuine.

 

[Beef Invictus]

This seems genuine.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

This seems genuine.

I really don’t see the “gotcha” here. They signed a better player for a $1M more.

Rodrigues has averaged 14:24 of ice time in his NHL career so far. NAK is at 10:18. Rodrigues hasn’t been used as a fourth liner for a while now. He’s been closer to a middle of the lineup guy in his career.

Rodrigues is also an analytic darling as an undervalued player around the league too.

 

[deadhead]

MacKinnon is signed for this upcoming season. His new deal will begin 2023-2024.

Rodrigues is a better player than NAK. He had 40+ points & played in Pittsburgh’s top six last year.

Rodriques is like a box of chocolates, probably why he went so cheap.
2017-18: 27 ES points in 48 games
2018-19: 22 ES points in 74 games
2019-20: 9 ES points in 45 games
2020-21: 12 ES points in 35 games
2021-22: 35 ES points in 82 games

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I really don’t see the “gotcha” here. They signed a better player for a $1M more.

Rodrigues has averaged 14:24 of ice time in his NHL career so far. NAK is at 10:18. Rodrigues hasn’t been used as a fourth liner for a while now. He’s been closer to a middle of the lineup guy in his career.

Rodrigues is also an analytic darling as an undervalued player around the league too.

The gotcha is “they had $10M+ to pay someone so the fact that they didn’t sign NAK shows that they just didn’t want him!”

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

You know who is not a box of chocolates? Nic Deslauriers. The guy that Fletcher gave a four year deal to on the first day of free agency to. You know EXACTLY what you’re getting from him.

That’s the difference between those franchises. One covets slop and the other looks for wins in the margins year in and year out.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Some teams don’t

You know who is not a box of chocolates? Nic Deslauriers. The guy that Fletcher gave a four year deal to on the first day of free agency to. You know EXACTLY what you’re getting from him.

That’s the difference between those franchises.

Not all teams are savvy enough to sign sub replacement players to overpays on Day 1 of free agency.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Rodriques is like a box of chocolates, probably why he went so cheap.
2017-18: 27 ES points in 48 games
2018-19: 22 ES points in 74 games
2019-20: 9 ES points in 45 games
2020-21: 12 ES points in 35 games
2021-22: 35 ES points in 82 games

Would you like to provide any further context at all so we can actually draw something meaningful from those results?

 

[Beef Invictus]

The gotcha is “they had $10M+ to pay someone so the fact that they didn’t sign NAK shows that they just didn’t want him!”

NAK didn't have a place on a deep team! Another player was better, therefore he's trash!

Extending that logic further, why do we even have Couturier if he's not as good as McDavid? Another player is better, so it wouldn't be any loss to lose him for free.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

Haven't they primarily worn the blacks for a few years now? Especially in the playoffs.

Yeah, they were technically the alts, but they wore them for every playoff run since 2018 and used them during the regular season more often than your typical alternates (I think, I do not have the numbers to back that up)

And changing the whites was one of the first things on Dundons agenda when he bought the team. I think they debuted the stupid diagonal ‘Canes’ jerseys the next year.

 

[Curufinwe]

If it’s below 14, he’s giving a discount

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Yeah, they were technically the alts, but they wore them for every playoff run since 2018 and used them during the regular season more often than your typical alternates (I think, I do not have the numbers to back that up)

And changing the whites was one of the first things on Dundons agenda when he bought the team. I think they debuted the stupid diagonal ‘Canes’ jerseys the next year.

It’s typically 12 games a year for alternates.

 

[Striiker]

I’ll die on the hill that teams shouldn’t have home and away jerseys.

Have a primary and then as many alternates as you want. If two teams have the same primary colors, one of them uses an alternate. Easy.

That way you can see most opponents main jerseys when you go to games. White jerseys are overrated and white jerseys as the default at home is a horrible idea.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

New York bit hard on that productive WJC as 19 y/o years ago.

 

[Tripod]

Crazy that Evan R had more pts than every Flyers but 2 last year.

Brassard PTO in Ottawa.

Yandle still waiting by the phone.

So Del Zotto, who played 26 NHL games, and 26 AHL games last year, got a PTO before Yandle.

 

[Beef Invictus]

New York bit hard on that productive WJC as 19 y/o years ago.

We better pray he doesn't hit the waiver wire after an injury, or that's a Flyer.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I’ll die on the hill that teams shouldn’t have home and away jerseys.

Have a primary and then as many alternates as you want. If two teams have the same primary colors, one of them uses an alternate. Easy.

That way you can see most opponents main jerseys when you go to games. White jerseys are overrated and white jerseys as the default at home is a horrible idea.

thats such a good idea the NHL will never embrace it...

 

[Magua]

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Honestly surprised even they passed up on him that year. In theory he’s usually what they clamor for as a higher end utility player. His production up to that point suggested he was actually a decent bet to make that outcome unlike others.

 

[Magua]

Honestly surprised even they passed up on him that year. In theory he’s usually what they clamor for as a higher end utility player. His production up to that point suggested he was actually a decent bet to make that outcome unlike others.

I think it was a combination of losing draft capital and wanting to replace it, in tandem with drafting what they perceived to be a need pick: puck moving defender. Fletcher basically admitted they were looking for one. No one can convince me the Flyers draft BPA, or more accurately, don’t warp the definition. Fletcher just moans about a lack of shooters and size, and lo and behold.

Also, take a peep at the only thing in red (!).

 

[BigToe]

 

[DancingPanther]

New York bit hard on that productive WJC as 19 y/o years ago.

Seems like someone to pay 5+ mil over 5 years for