Miscellaneous NHL Discussion LXXXVII: What An Ugly Number

[Tripod]

We have an organization trying to win that said no to bring back our leading point guy last year and no to trading a 1st for a top 3 scorer last year.

But yes to giving a 4th liner 4 years and yes to trading a 1st for Risto, then give him 5 years.

What a time to be alive!

 

[BlackandOrange]

I hope Tage Thompson lives up to that contract, but boy is that term and money too risky for Armchair GM BlackandOrange.

 

[DancingPanther]

Was about to post this. Blows my mind.

You blow my mind, toe man

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[Curufinwe]

If the reports are true, Giroux wanted to come back at the TDL. He told Fletcher, but Fletcher didn't want him back, so we had to settled for the crap package we got from FLA for him.

Why would Giroux want to guarantee his return to a bottom feeder team before he even saw how his run at the Cup in Miami would turn out?

B-b-but he signed in Ottawa as a free agent! Yeah, they have a much better team than Philly as of July, 2022.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Why would Giroux want to guarantee his return to a bottom feeder team before he even saw how his run at the Cup in Miami would turn out?

B-b-but he signed in Ottawa as a free agent! Yeah, they have a much better team than Philly as of July, 2022.

Why? Because he's spent his entire career here and built a family here. He would be giving the Flyers the option to improve the team while still having him. He was helping the organization out in doing so.

We've had this discussion before though. You're going to bring up his quotes about how his goal with the Panthers was to win the Stanley Cup as if that's proof that is his only goal.

It's a completely logical stance for a player that has played his entire career here. "I'll leave for a few months if you guarantee that I can come back."

 

[sabremike]

 

[Flyerfan18]

Why? Because he's spent his entire career here and built a family here. He would be giving the Flyers the option to improve the team while still having him. He was helping the organization out in doing so.

We've had this discussion before though. You're going to bring up his quotes about how his goal with the Panthers was to win the Stanley Cup as if that's proof that is his only goal.

It's a completely logical stance for a player that has played his entire career here. "I'll leave for a few months if you guarantee that I can come back."

Except it pretty much never happens. Once a player is traded he doesn’t come back. It’s not really logical at all to think that way.

The fact he signed in Ottawa shows Philly were never really in the picture. He was going home

 

[ajgoal]

The fact he signed in Ottawa shows Philly were never really in the picture. He was going home

It shows nothing of the sort.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Except it pretty much never happens. Once a player is traded he doesn’t come back. It’s not really logical at all to think that way.

The fact he signed in Ottawa shows Philly were never really in the picture. He was going home

And yet it leaked he did want to come back.

He only signed in Ottawa because Fletcher removed Philly as an option.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Why would Giroux want to guarantee his return to a bottom feeder team before he even saw how his run at the Cup in Miami would turn out?

B-b-but he signed in Ottawa as a free agent! Yeah, they have a much better team than Philly as of July, 2022.

Well there is zero pressure to win. He lives his life in anonymity. Can go about his business all over town without being bothered. Winning isn't a top priority for him. In other words why would he want to leave.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Well there is zero pressure to win. He lives his life in anonymity. Can go about his business all over town without being bothered. Winning isn't a top priority for him. In other words why would he want to leave.

Ah yeah that must be why he signed somewhere he's gonna be known everywhere, won't have anonymity, and will have pressure to finally start competing.

You might have a point if he'd chosen Arizona over a Canadian market.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

And yet it leaked he did want to come back.

He only signed in Ottawa because Fletcher removed Philly as an option.

Even a squirrel finds a nut once in a while. A rare good move by the GM.

Did he though? Once the season was over was anything said they have no interest in bringing him back?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Even a squirrel finds a nut once in a while. A rare good move by the GM.

Did he though? Once the season was over was anything said they have no interest in bringing him back?

Why did it need to be said? It was made known months earlier.

How is making the team worse a good move?

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Ah yeah that must be why he signed somewhere he's gonna be known everywhere, won't have anonymity, and will have pressure to finally start competing.

You might have a point if he'd chosen Arizona over a Canadian market.

The question was why sign back here. I provided an answer.

Winning is way down his list of priorities. Though I am sure you 100% disagree with that as well.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The question was why sign back here. I provided an answer.

Winning is way down his list of priorities. Though I am sure you 100% disagree with that as well.

If winning is "way down" his list of priorities, why did he agree to go to Florida and try to win a Cup? Everything you're claiming has already been proven wrong by things that have happened.

Your answer was utter nonsense that's already been disproven.

 

[Curufinwe]

Why? Because he's spent his entire career here and built a family here. He would be giving the Flyers the option to improve the team while still having him. He was helping the organization out in doing so.

We've had this discussion before though. You're going to bring up his quotes about how his goal with the Panthers was to win the Stanley Cup as if that's proof that is his only goal.

It's a completely logical stance for a player that has played his entire career here. "I'll leave for a few months if you guarantee that I can come back."

If he wanted to come back to Philly so much, why would he tie it to where he was being traded?

It's really not hard to understand why Giroux and his family only wanted to go to Florida in March/April/May 2022.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Why did it need to be said? It was made known months earlier.

How is making the team worse a good move?

What did he make known exactly? Sign on my terms or I take my ball and go home? Is this the dead hose you are going to beat up today?

Going in another direction I see. This team sucks with or without Giroux. I am glad he is gone. His expiration date had long past.

Making them worse is good for now as better chance at a better pick in a supposed great upcoming draft. Even if it isn't by design.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

If winning is "way down" his list of priorities, why did he agree to go to Florida and try to win a Cup? Everything you're claiming has already been proven wrong by things that have happened.

Your answer was utter nonsense that's already been disproven.

Utter nonsense. Sure it is. He choose a team where their was no pressure. There were better options to win over Florida.

Already been proven wrong yet he signs in Ottawa. I am dead wrong. Stayed in philly for years when he could have asked out. He sure as shit didn't seem to mind all the losing. My bad he was raising a family and all that. Get out of here with that crap.

 

[Beef Invictus]

What did he make known exactly? Sign on my terms or I take my ball and go home? Is this the dead hose you are going to beat up today?

Going in another direction I see. This team sucks with or without Giroux. I am glad he is gone. His expiration date had long past.

Making them worse is good for now as better chance at a better pick in a supposed great upcoming draft. Even if it isn't by design.

No, it was made known that Giroux offered Fletcher an opportunity to help the team and Fletcher refused to take it.

Aren't you chiefly glad he's gone because you're deluded yourself into believing he's a bad captain, and you actually believe in the fairy tale that captains matter?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Utter nonsense. Sure it is. He choose a team where their was no pressure. There were better options to win over Florida.

Already been proven wrong yet he signs in Ottawa. I am dead wrong. Stayed in philly for years when he could have asked out. He sure as shit didn't seem to mind all the losing. My bad he was raising a family and all that. Get out of here with that crap.

No pressure in Ottawa?

Have you never heard about hockey in Canada?

 

[blackjackmulligan]

No, it was made known that Giroux offered Fletcher an opportunity to help the team and Fletcher refused to take it.

Aren't you chiefly glad he's gone because you're deluded yourself into believing he's a bad captain, and you actually believe in the fairy tale that captains matter?

lol whip that horse.

Can you enlighten me as to what that offer was that Giroux so kindly made to the Flyers. Tell me what he offered.

Has nothing to do with him being Captain. He had run his course here. It happens. Love fairy tales.

No pressure in Ottawa?

Have you never heard about hockey in Canada?

Moving the goal post yet again. Ottawa wasn't being talked about.

Do you watch a lot of hockey by the way? Just curious.

 

[flyersnorth]

He’s mad because he signed Benning & Seguin to big money/term UFA deals & now these guys aren’t living up to it as they enter their age 30+ seasons.

Robertson is literally a guy you try to lock in long term now to get his most fruitful seasons under contract.

It’s amazing the people that run this game still don’t understand the age curve.

I think they get it - but they all subscribe to the school of "well if I don't give him the big contract, someone else will."

So if they let the player leave (or trade him in his UFA year), then talent leaves town, the fanbase gets upset, and then they are on their heels trying to replace said talent.

As long as you have a closed market and finite number of talented players, you're going to see stupid contracts.

I'd love to see guaranteed contracts go away.

 

[DancingPanther]

Imagine ever standing up for Chuck Fletcher.

Now imagine your entire position when standing up for Chuck Fletcher revolves around vilifying the best player in franchise history.

Need I remind you, Fletch's favorite part of an orange is the white stuff left on the fruit part after you peel the skin off

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

If he wanted to come back to Philly so much, why would he tie it to where he was being traded?

It's really not hard to understand why Giroux and his family only wanted to go to Florida in March/April/May 2022.

Why would he help out a franchise that has no plans for him? That is the exact scenario we saw unfold here.

Giroux was willing to play ball but once he was told that they had no plans for him he rightfully had no interest in helping the franchise.