Miscellaneous NHL Discussion LXXXVI: 86 Proof

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blackjackmulligan

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If Klingberg ends up taking a short term deal at around $5m it's not going to make the DeAngelo acquisition look any better.

Seattle didn't qualify Donato so he became a UFA, and they just re-signed him for the bargain price of 1 x $1.2m. He had 31 points in 74 games so he would have got more than that in arbitration, which is why Seattle didn't give him a QO.
There is not 1 GM who thought he would be available on 7/27/22. No one plans for that. So to compare acquiring Tony D to this is not a good comparison. Plus he wouldn't go to Philly on a short term deal as that will not build his value. IMO.
 

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It was my understanding Klingberg wanted big money & long term.

He probably fired his agent, because now he’s going to get a worse contract than Dallas had offered during the season/before the season.

My understanding is he’s a declining player, so I’m sure teams are very wary about term. And very few teams have the cap space for him.
 

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Adding Burakovsky and Bjorkstrand could be really good moves if they have enough quality at center to make use of them.
I'm torn on Burakovsky. I'm a fanboy, but a big part of that is cap efficiency and I'm not sure that's gonna continue being a thing. Or maybe it will, with the way some of these signings have gone.
 

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This seems to be lost on a lot of people. Do you want a team full of Lawson Crouses? No. Do you want a team full of high offense, low defense defensemen? No. Do you want a team of high offense, low defense forwards? No. You need a mix. Yes, I would love if every player was Connor McDavid and Roman Josi. That would be ideal. With the exception of the absolutely elite players, every single player on your team is going to have easily identifiable deficiencies. The idea is matching those players with other players that cover up for the deficiencies.

You don't want every player to be a 6'8" slow moving tough guy, but having one of those guys on the team isn't the end of the world. You don't want every forward to be a stand in front of the net power forward who can't really do anything outside of that, but having those guys are important. You don't want every player to be a 5'8" guy that can skate and pass but can't create traffic or win board battles because he's too small, but having those guys are important. And so forth and so on.

That being said. Chuck Fletcher sucks and this team sucks and we have all the wrong players.
I want every player on my team to have a net positive impact on the team, or at least somebody that breaks even, and that means real tangible hockey abilities that lead to winning. Thats what championship caliber teams are made of. They don't have one dimensional players that fit roles, they dont add guys that cant have at least a slightly positive outcome on the game.
 

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I want every player on my team to have a net positive impact on the team, or at least somebody that breaks even, and that means real tangible hockey abilities that lead to winning. Thats what championship caliber teams are made of. They don't have one dimensional players that fit roles, they dont add guys that cant have at least a slightly positive outcome on the game.
What do you call Pat Maroon? Or Helm?
 

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I'm torn on Burakovsky. I'm a fanboy, but a big part of that is cap efficiency and I'm not sure that's gonna continue being a thing. Or maybe it will, with the way some of these signings have gone.
He’s not really making that much
 

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I want every player on my team to have a net positive impact on the team, or at least somebody that breaks even, and that means real tangible hockey abilities that lead to winning. Thats what championship caliber teams are made of. They don't have one dimensional players that fit roles, they dont add guys that cant have at least a slightly positive outcome on the game.
Of course, that is the goal. Yes I want every player on my team to be a good player and be a complete player with 100% compete 100% of the time and no mental lapses, etc. But it is unrealistic. I am sure you can go through the roster of Cup teams from the past few years and find a few "specialists" in whatever position they are in (e.g., offensive first/no defense defensemen, defense first/no offense defensemen, power forwards who aren't great skaters or defenders but play well in the offensive zone in front of the net and around the boards, and so forth and so on).

Again, yes the goal is to have complete players everywhere, but that is not realistic. Not every player needs to be the best skater, shooter, passer, defender, etc. Would be great if they were but sometimes you need to make a choice: do I want the guy I think can be a power play specialist and net-front presence who will rack up PP points and dirty but good goals, or do I want the guy who won't create as many goals but will be better defensively and on the rush? Probably depends on the makeup of the team already, but if you have a team of fast skating small guys, you may be great on the rush or creating scoring chances, but without that big net-front presence you may not have the guy that can bang home the rebound. If you have a team of giant slow-moving net-front power forwards, you probably won't be able to create a lot of offense on the rush. And so forth and so on.
 

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That's a shame. I was really hoping somebody would offer sheet him.

Honestly Sandin from Toronto would be a perfect offersheet candidate for teams looking for a young NHL defender with upside still. You could offer just under $4.2M which would only cost a second rounder.

Toronto would probably have trouble matching & Sandin would see a noticeable raise that he’d probably have to consider. But the league is mostly full of cowards even if there wasn’t cap issues league wide.
 

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If you have cap space you have the chance to take advantage of market oddities.

Or you can blow it on Ristolainen in March. Who’s to say which approach is better.
This is where Fletcher, and also Hextall while he was here, are a total failures. Every off season plays such as the Klingberg one come up. The Flyers can never get into this sort of thing because they're jammed up against the cap and have no room to play. They always want to be the first ones in the pool and then get stuck being oversized in the shallow end. Patience is lost on these guys.
 
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deadhead

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Honestly Sandin from Toronto would be a perfect offersheet candidate for teams looking for a young NHL defender with upside still. You could offer just under $4.2M which would only cost a second rounder.

Toronto would probably have trouble matching & Sandin would see a noticeable raise that he’d probably have to consider. But the league is mostly full of cowards even if there wasn’t cap issues league wide.
Actually what happens is teams express interest, the target team knows they can't match, so they work out a trade - we've seen a number of RFAs traded for what looks like a bargain price, probably driven by this dynamic.
 

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Honestly Sandin from Toronto would be a perfect offersheet candidate for teams looking for a young NHL defender with upside still. You could offer just under $4.2M which would only cost a second rounder.

Toronto would probably have trouble matching & Sandin would see a noticeable raise that he’d probably have to consider. But the league is mostly full of cowards even if there wasn’t cap issues league wide.

There isn't a more risk-averse organization on the planet than the NHL.
 

blackjackmulligan

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Honestly Sandin from Toronto would be a perfect offersheet candidate for teams looking for a young NHL defender with upside still. You could offer just under $4.2M which would only cost a second rounder.

Toronto would probably have trouble matching & Sandin would see a noticeable raise that he’d probably have to consider. But the league is mostly full of cowards even if there wasn’t cap issues league wide.
he isnt worth 4.2 however and that could end up being a very bad contract.
 

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Just wait until Risto plays in the ploffs.

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