Miscellaneous NHL Discussion LXXXVI: 86 Proof

[Beef Invictus]

Huberdeau was their best player in the 2021 playoffs though and just had a career year with 115 points and should've been a Hart candidate.
For me the only explanation is that Huberdeau refused to sign a new contract.

It would make a load of sense if they were swapping players they couldn't sign, but tossing in Weegar too is quite a decision

 

[Beef Invictus]

Unfortunately, that's not even funny, given Chariot just signed a 4yr/$4.75M AVV contract at 31.
That suggests Risto has a lot more value around the league than people here want to credit him with.
b/c Chariot went belly up in the playoffs.

GMs being willing to make a bad decision and overpay bad players doesn't make those bad players actually worth that amount or worth having.

Appeals to authority are faulty. GMs are not infallible.

 

[Bunch of Jurcos]

Can you teach me a bit of history about the Flyers? Why did you guys lose Lindros and RBA?

 

[BigToe]

Would Broad Street Hockey like to officially retract the over the top endorsement of Cole Caufield yet? Is being on equal footing in the playmaking department as Max Willman good? What about being slightly better than Nicolas Deslauriers?

There will be no Caufield disrespect on my watch, Stizzy!

 

[DancingPanther]

Would Broad Street Hockey like to officially retract the over the top endorsement of Cole Caufield yet? Is being on equal footing in the playmaking department as Max Willman good? What about being slightly better than Nicolas Deslauriers?

Hello stiz

 

[Beef Invictus]

Can you teach me a bit of history about the Flyers? Why did you guys lose Lindros and RBA?

Bob Clarke is shit.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I think the Tkachuk trade will prove a good one for FL.

As for CGY, well, they were up against it. Since they still want to compete for the Cup, they did as well as you can do in that spot.

 

[deadhead]

GMs being willing to make a bad decision and overpay bad players doesn't make those bad players actually worth that amount or worth having.

Appeals to authority are faulty. GMs are not infallible.

It's simply a reflection on market value, obviously there is a stronger market for players like Risto than some here like to admit.
Whether the market is driven by the "greater fool" doesn't change that there is a market.
I mean people were dumb enough to buy Crypto.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

It's simply a reflection on market value, obviously there is a stronger market for players like Risto than some here like to admit.
Whether the market is driven by the "greater fool" doesn't change that there is a market.
I mean people were dumb enough to buy Crypto.

The fact of the matter is (to borrow from Stephen A. Smith), Ristolainen is a much more valued player by NHL teams than he is by message board posters. Sort of the inverse of Gostisbehere.

There aren’t many 20-minute RHD available, & size & strength have value, also. Plus, Risto’s still pretty young.

Do I love him as a player? No, he’s flawed & can be frustrating. Do I hate him? Absolutely not. He has good qualities, too. And I’m fairly confident he’s going to improve under Torts & Shaw.

 

[BigToe]

It's simply a reflection on market value, obviously there is a stronger market for players like Risto than some here like to admit.
Whether the market is driven by the "greater fool" doesn't change that there is a market.
I mean people were dumb enough to buy Crypto.

Deady hates Crypto bros confirmed.

 

[DancingPanther]

Deady hates Crypto bros confirmed.

Cannot imagine the post that started this lol

 

[TB87]

I don’t understand why FLA sent Weegar packing in the Tkachuk trade. Their defense is significantly worse now

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Because they now have a 24 y/o Matt Tkachuk for the next 8 seasons.

Always had the feeling Weegar was overrated, also.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's simply a reflection on market value, obviously there is a stronger market for players like Risto than some here like to admit.
Whether the market is driven by the "greater fool" doesn't change that there is a market.
I mean people were dumb enough to buy Crypto.

Right, but it doesn't serve as a defense of signing those players for that price. It just means that GM is the biggest sucker.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Huberdeau had an 8 team NTC but I assuming by this Calgary wasn’t one of them.

 

[BernieParent]

Huberdeau had an 8 team NTC but I assuming by this Calgary wasn’t one of them.

5 of them were the Flyers and 1 was "Chuck Fletcher's team" just in case.

 

[deadhead]

Right, but it doesn't serve as a defense of signing those players for that price. It just means that GM is the biggest sucker.

Wasn't defending the decision (criticized it at the time), just pointing out that it isn't irrevocable, Risto should be marketable in a couple seasons with a 3x5, maybe a million retained if you want to up the value received. Whether he shouild be marketable is moot, the fact that physical D-men with limited skill packages got similar money in their early 30s says he is marketable.

Voracek's contract was worse, CBJ had to trade Bjorkstrand to create the cap room to extend Laine b/c there was no market for Voracek or Nyquist. Seattle wouldn't claim him, and we had to take a similar contract in Atkinson to move him.

 

[kudymen]

Round round
Lol around
Lolling around

 

[Curufinwe]

Geekie got 1.4m from Seattle. He had 22 points in 73 games.

 

[deadhead]

Geekie got 1.4m from Seattle. He had 22 points in 73 games.

He's a RFA, plus he doesn't hit anyone.

 

[deadhead]

Pro Hockey Rumors:

While the Blue Jackets’ trade of Oliver Bjorkstrand wasn’t ideal for management, the player, or the Blue Jackets fans, it was necessary. Kekalainen said dealing Bjorkstrand to Seattle was “the best of the no-good options,” and today, Portzline shed some light as to why that was the case. With the flat cap driving the prices to dump contracts to sky-high levels, Portzline believes that if the Blue Jackets preferred to shed Nyquist’s contract, it likely could have cost a 2023 first-round pick or even a top prospect. If the Blue Jackets wanted to trade Jakub Voracek and his $8.25MM cap hit over two more seasons, Portzline believes it may have even cost both a first-rounder and a top prospect. So, with that reality in mind, Bjorkstrand being the departing player rather than Nyquist or Voracek makes a bit more sense.

 

[renberg]

It’s obvious that the cost to dump a bad contract is becoming horrendous in this flat cap era. Even buyouts will cramp a club. It’s going to affect trades and UFA signings. Making bad signings like Ristolainen’s just can’t happen. JVR’s is done at the end of the year so it’s less of an issue. So far Atkinson is earning his pay; not a terrible deal. Then there’s Hayes….

 

[Beef Invictus]

Nothing like a flat cap to make your GM's inefficiencies really stand out.

 

[Magua]

Maybe Columbus shouldn’t have signed a bum like Gudbranson to $4 mil. It’s like there’s always some poor cap management involved.

 

[Rebels57]

Maybe Columbus shouldn’t have signed a bum like Gudbranson to $4 mil. It’s like there’s always some poor cap management involved.

There had to be some Gudbranson / Gaudreau package right? Like Columbus showed interest in Gaudreau and Johnny tells them that if they sign Gudbranson then he will go there?