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Mirtle: End is near for Hyman in Toronto

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hotpaws said:
whacking at pucks in the crease or having them bounce in off your body isn't finishing so lets not pretend Hyman's sniping his goals from the face off dot
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Do you read the posts in here, people are ripping Hyman as a playoff bust because he doesn’t put points up all while giving hall passes to AM and MM. so yeah, I think Soup’s a bad replacement, he hardly is a 4th liner let alone a 1st liner.
 
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usernamezrhardtodo said:
Dubas keeps saying they draft skill and will trade for Grit. Ok...lets see it then.
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Dubas has made a big point about drafting for skill and hockey IQ in the past few years, but that doesn't mean other teams aren't also drafting compelling combinations of skill and size or work ethic or aggression either.

We've been told about this new era of speed and skill for a few years now, and if anything it looks like there's always going to be a handful of big mean teams that don't enjoy getting deked and dangled and tic tac toed.
 
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Menzinger said:
The Matthews-Marner duo will drive the line just fine regardless of who the left wing is Hyman biggest value was probably as a guy to help out the third line,.but he ultimately wasn't ending up there with the Leafs.

Hope he enjoys the winters in Edmonton.
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I bet he’d love riding shotgun for McDavid, no mail in efforts from him.....
 
Suntouchable13 said:
It's amazing how this supposed top line player gets a free pass for 13 points in 32 playoff games just because he works hard. I like the player just fine, but in a 3rd line role. On a proper Stanley Cup contender that's what he is.
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I've been hearing this for years. Which 2 roster players should have been the Top 6 left wingers to force him to the 3rd line?
 
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Media has sort of been suggesting ~5-6+ years X 5M+ for Hyman. Hyman's career high is 41 points, and while he's had good production the last two years, both have been shorter seasons, and he's obviously benefited from playing with some pretty good talent. If you're slotting him next to a ~60 point centre, you should probably be expecting a ~35-40 point season from him.

A few comparisons from free agency last year.
  • Toffoli was a similar age with similar historical production last year (better career highs), and he went for 4 years X 4.25M.
  • Craig Smith, who has topped 50 points twice and generally has similar production to Hyman, but was a bit older, signed for 3 years X 3.1M.
  • Not similar style players, but Granlund/Hoffman both signed for 3.75-4M.
  • Only 2 forwards hit 5M+ in free agency, Taylor Hall and Dadanov, both with significantly higher production than Hyman.
This may be hard to believe, but the media tends to super hype our players leading to free agency, and it frankly is problematic because it leads to them expecting larger contracts than they probably otherwise deserve. Based on the contracts from last year, I'd say Hyman's best comparable is Toffoli. Sure, in the pre-covid era he probably would have landed himself ~5-6 years X 5M. But fair or not, the flat cap is here, and I think ~4 years X 4.25M is pretty fair.

Seattle is a wildcard that wasn't around last offseason, but I don't think anyone other than maybe Seattle would give Hyman a big contract.
 
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egd27 said:
He didn't realize that Shanny was going to lose his mind and hand the team over to a spreadsheet loving stick boy.
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Did anyone see that coming? Thankfully I have faith that just one more year of failure and we can move on to building a real hockey team.....
 
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egd27 said:
How about this then?

Hyman gave at least or better than fair value for a $2.25M player.
Mitch & Auston did not come close to giving fair value for $11M players.
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Ignore the mortage, but focus on the paying the phone bill......duh.
 
Menzinger said:
He probably will enjoy it. Though I wonder if their fans will equally enjoy their team paying him 5-6 million a season to watch that happen
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What do you care about what Oiler fans think? Plenty of overpaid under performers to talk about here in Toronto don’t you think?
 
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egd27 said:
I've been hearing this for years. Which 2 roster players should have been the Top 6 left wingers to force him to the 3rd line?
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Isn't that the real problem here, there isn't anyone internally and the flatcap won't let you bring anyone in. But that still doesn't mean that Hyman should be a first choice first liner.
 
McSnypsky said:
Isn't that the real problem here, there isn't anyone internally and the flatcap won't let you bring anyone in. But that still doesn't mean that Hyman should be a first choice first liner.
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Flat cap my butt, Dubas misspent his cap, screw this flat cap narrative he counted his eggs before they hatched, stupid rookie move.......
 
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rumman said:
Flat cap my but, Dubas misspent his cap, screw this flat cap narrative he counted his eggs before they hatched, stupid rookie move.......
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I do think the flat cap excuse is being emphasized too much.

If the cap wasn't flat, instead of being 4 years X 5M, Brodie would have been 5 years X 5.5M. Free agency last year was full of "deals" that wouldn't exist if the cap had gone up. I.e. regardless of flat cap or cap going up, we would have ended up with more or less the same type of cap constraints.
 
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613Leafer said:
I do think the flat cap excuse is being emphasized too much.

If the cap wasn't flat, instead of being 4 years X 5M, Brodie would have been 5 years X 5.5M. Free agency last year was full of "deals" that wouldn't exist if the cap had gone up. I.e. regardless of flat cap or cap going up, we would have ended up with more or less the same type of cap constraints.
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It’s all relative, but Dubas has made a mess of managing the cap. Now it’s a revolving door of misfit toys to fill out the roster.
 
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rumman said:
Did anyone see that coming? Thankfully I have faith that just one more year of failure and we can move on to building a real hockey team.....
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With 2 years left to convince 34 & 88 not to walk, it's not going to be pretty for the poor bastards that takes over this mess.
 
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613Leafer said:
I do think the flat cap excuse is being emphasized too much.

If the cap wasn't flat, instead of being 4 years X 5M, Brodie would have been 5 years X 5.5M. Free agency last year was full of "deals" that wouldn't exist if the cap had gone up. I.e. regardless of flat cap or cap going up, we would have ended up with more or less the same type of cap constraints.
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Pretty much.
 
rumman said:
Do you read the posts in here, people are ripping Hyman as a playoff bust because he doesn’t put points up all while giving hall passes to AM and MM. so yeah, I think Soup’s a bad replacement, he hardly is a 4th liner let alone a 1st liner.
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you asked who can replace Hyman not who should be on M and M's line

and Hyman was a playoff bust just like Mik and the majority of the team , f*** them all
 
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