Mirtle: End is near for Hyman in Toronto

[Leaf Fans]

Perhaps, but if they are moved, it has to be for a return that is going to move the team closer to the Cup. What indication has Kid Kyle given so that you believe it's something he is capable of?

For me, he locked up the core. He has tried adding some grit. He has found some players to sign good deals. What sucks is that he hasn't built a team good enough to get out of the first round yet.

 

[egd27]

For me, he locked up the core. He has tried adding some grit. He has found some players to sign good deals. What sucks is that he hasn't built a team good enough to get out of the first round yet.

He locked up a core for too much money and now he needs to shed at least one of them.
He has tried to add grit in the form of a broken down Wayne Simmonds.
He has found some players to sign "good deals" because they had no other options (aside from Spezza I suppose) but what good players, has he signed to good deals ? (maybe Muzzin)
The 3rd point I agree with, and that's why I don't trust him to replace the "core" players.

 

[Leaf Fans]

He locked up a core for too much money and now he needs to shed at least one of them.
He has tried to add grit in the form of a broken down Wayne Simmonds.
He has found some players to sign "good deals" because they had no other options (aside from Spezza I suppose) but what good players, has he signed to good deals ? (maybe Muzzin)
The 3rd point I agrees with, and that's why I don't trust him to replace the "core" players.

He doesn't need to shed anyone. He can deal one of them if a trade comes up. Yes Muzzin, Nylander, Kerfoot Spezza are on good deals. Wayne Simmonds did break down and he had a poor playoff. Matthews has earned his contract. Marner hasn't yet, but he is an excellent player. Yes, perhaps you don't trust him, but you asked what other people think.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

My question is, and not in a dick way, but why is Hyman worth so much but players like Coleman, Goodrow, cizkas ect (players who are more proven) would cost cheaper? Wouldnr a team pay more for a Coleman than Hyman? Again, honest asking, I'm confused haha

Well from what I understand Hyman turned down the Leafs offer.
maybe Coleman will go for it.
Coleman might be a better option than Hyman anyways.
hell he may not wanna come here at all but for now since Hyman is gone I can hope for Coleman

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Hyman's being a greedy f***er. Simple as that.

We can afford him at 4x4 which is the max he's worth. He's trying to chase bags now.

Him not being a leaf is his decision. I seriously hope though if he walks away to chase the money that first game back we have some one deck him hard.

Besides Spezza, Leafs have zero team players.

No one on this team will give a discount

Marner, Matthews, Tavares, Nylander are all combined a giant LOL

Rielly (seems the most likely outcome), Hyman both will be chasing money rather than sticking with the team that drafted, developed them

Muzzin, Brodie took the upper end of what they were worth

Campbell probably looks at 4M if he has a solid year next year

Leafs don't get discounts, they give overpayments

Why should Hyman take a hometown discount when he sees the Leafs back up the Brink's truck for low effort players?

 

[hotpaws]

The 180 on Hyman on the boards, wow.

if/when he re signs with us they'll be another 180 with people singing his praises and calling what ever he signs for a discount if not an outright steal

 

[socko]

He locked up a core for too much money and now he needs to shed at least one of them.
He has tried to add grit in the form of a broken down Wayne Simmonds.
He has found some players to sign "good deals" because they had no other options (aside from Spezza I suppose) but what good players, has he signed to good deals ? (maybe Muzzin)
The 3rd point I agrees with, and that's why I don't trust him to replace the "core" players.

Good: Spezza, Muzzin, Brodie, Bogo.
The really, really super awful deals he gave to his BFFs: The Big 4.
Outside of those: Andreas was probably the biggest overpay.

 

[TheDoldrums]

The 180 on Hyman on the boards, wow.

after another injury and another bad postseason I don't blame fans for not wanting to overpay the guy

 

[Racer88]

For me, he locked up the core. He has tried adding some grit. He has found some players to sign good deals. What sucks is that he hasn't built a team good enough to get out of the first round yet.

Mainly because the core he has locked up failed to show up this playoff

 

[rumman]

Why should Hyman take a hometown discount when he sees the Leafs back up the Brink's truck for low effort players?

Exactly.

 

[keonsbitterness]

if/when he re signs with us they'll be anther 180 with people singing his praises and calling what ever he signs for a discount if not an outright steal

Would depend on the terms.

 

[Stonehands1990]

Would depend on the terms.

It’s gonna be 7-8 years to get the AAV down and we’ll deal with the bad years when we get there. Tops 4.5, signed after expansion draft. Everyone is getting worked up for no reason

 

[TheDoldrums]

Why should Hyman take a hometown discount when he sees the Leafs back up the Brink's truck for low effort players?

they all get called greedy here on a daily basis for that lol, so why should Hyman be treated any different?

 

[hotpaws]

Would depend on the terms.

if he signs for 6m x 8yrs or lower most would then say it's fair market value , lol

 

[keonsbitterness]

if he signs for 6m x 8yrs or lower most would then say it's fair market value , lol

I don't think that's plausible, but that would be horrible.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Mainly because the core he has locked up failed to show up this playoff

I agree. The core had a poor playoff. 4 points each for Mathews and Marner clearly didn't get the job done.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

At this point they look like trading chips for the enviable rebuild post wonder boy.

I would rather an experienced GM take over with all assets in our possession. I don't trust Dubas right now because he might do just about anything to win a round to keep his job. Better to let him flounder this year with his dumpster diving and give him the boot than let him try and fix this mess he made.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

We were in on Petro for about 5 minutes. Probably less than that for Hamilton.

We need to stop with this getting a big name all the time. Seriously, does anyone have any problem with the way Brodie or Muzzin played? Sure they get less points than Hamilton does...but the extra points are not worth almost 2x the money for Hamilton. Stop with the players all have to be superstars crap. They don't...Montreal, Vegas and NYI are proving you don't need a team of all stars to do well in the playoffs. Everyone can see that except for our management team.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

My question is, and not in a dick way, but why is Hyman worth so much but players like Coleman, Goodrow, cizkas ect (players who are more proven) would cost cheaper? Wouldnr a team pay more for a Coleman than Hyman? Again, honest asking, I'm confused haha

I think it's because we think what Hyman does is so unique...that its worth a boatload of money. Hyman is good at his job but there are a lot of players that can do most of what he does for a lot less...we just think he is super special because compared to the comatose forwards we have..he looks like the tazmanian devil.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

He locked up a core for too much money and now he needs to shed at least one of them.
He has tried to add grit in the form of a broken down Wayne Simmonds.
He has found some players to sign "good deals" because they had no other options (aside from Spezza I suppose) but what good players, has he signed to good deals ? (maybe Muzzin)
The 3rd point I agree with, and that's why I don't trust him to replace the "core" players.

You can't let the arsonist be in charge of putting out the fire. That would be the case if MLSE let Dubas "fix" his problems. Having pie in the sky fantasies about older players begging to come here like Spezza did is just wishful thinking. If we won like Tampa did...maybe some would...but you cannot and should not depend on something stupid like that.

 

[1specter]

Nobody should bash Hyman for taking more money. The culture was set with Dubas and Marner, and when Zach is out there constantly sacrificing his body while Marner only plays on the perimeter, can you blame him for wanting to cash out? I sure as hell don't. If you're angry at Hyman then your anger is misdirected

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Good: Spezza, Muzzin, Brodie, Bogo.
The really, really super awful deals he gave to his BFFs: The Big 4.
Outside of those: Andreas was probably the biggest overpay.

You don't think Kerfoot is overpaid by about a million? He is a 30pt guy...not worth much more than 2.5M in my books. He also played quite a bit with JT and Willy...so he should have more points. His 1 or 2 ok playoff games does not make up for his bad cap hit. Dubas keeps trying to project on these guys by paying a bit more now thinking they will be deals later. The only one that it worked out on is Willy....and he is playing around what a 7m guy should be doing.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

It’s gonna be 7-8 years to get the AAV down and we’ll deal with the bad years when we get there. Tops 4.5, signed after expansion draft. Everyone is getting worked up for no reason

The only good thing about signing Hyman long term like that is he is most likely to be on LTIR for his last few years. That would not hurt you cap wise. Having a guy like Lucic who is healthy and stringing out the years on your roster is the killer.

 

[justashadowof]

Nobody should bash Hyman for taking more money. The culture was set with Dubas and Marner, and when Zach is out there constantly sacrificing his body while Marner only plays on the perimeter, can you blame him for wanting to cash out? I sure as hell don't. If you're angry at Hyman then your anger is misdirected

Only Marner? Give your head a shake.

 

[Knies iT]

Why should Hyman take a hometown discount when he sees the Leafs back up the Brink's truck for low effort players?

True leaders aren’t sheep. If he’s bitter over another man making more money then he’s just as guilty of being greedy.

Why did Spezza take <1m again? As far as I’m concerned, what Hyman is doing is just as worthy of criticism as the big ticket guys. He is chasing an albatross contract that far exceeds his value.