Mirtle: End is near for Hyman in Toronto

[ToneDog]

Dubas - I can't and I won't.

 

[mac nylander]

Hyman's being a greedy f***er. Simple as that.

We can afford him at 4x4 which is the max he's worth. He's trying to chase bags now.

Him not being a leaf is his decision. I seriously hope though if he walks away to chase the money that first game back we have some one deck him hard.

Besides Spezza, Leafs have zero team players.

No one on this team will give a discount

Marner, Matthews, Tavares, Nylander are all combined a giant LOL

Rielly (seems the most likely outcome), Hyman both will be chasing money rather than sticking with the team that drafted, developed them

Muzzin, Brodie took the upper end of what they were worth

Campbell probably looks at 4M if he has a solid year next year

Leafs don't get discounts, they give overpayments

Just go buy a box of tissues already bud

 

[Torontonian]

Goodbye Hyman, it's been fun... Dufus screwed ya.

Yup Dubas screwed him by not willing to give him the 5m+ contract he wants and we have seen given out before to Clarkson. You don't give players like Hyman and Clarkson and Ladd massive contracts cause they regress horribly.

I just wish your agenda to bash Dubas didn't make you sound so foolish by wanting to give Hyman at 5m+ contract with alot of years.. Like we haven't learned from our past mistakes in giving players that, AKA Clarkson.

 

[hamzarocks]

We didn't draft Hyman. He forced his way here by refusing to sign with Florida.

Your right my bad. Forgot he was Florida's asset.

Makes it worse to me. He came here, we developed him in the system. Helped him become a strong top 6 player and now he's leaving his home city and preferred option for to go get a contract he's probably not going to end up being able to live up to.

 

[hotpaws]

Dreamland .. not how life works .. if you were employed into any of my 3 businesses and claimed to be da boss .. I would have you escorted out instantly .. but Larry is around MLSE and Scotia quite a bit (at least he used to be a couple years ago when I was more involved in team) and he tells everyone he controls operations of team period end of story .. and I have not see anyone from Bell or Rogers EVER in da officesand/or rinks .. again funny how no one has removed Larry from his office .. me thinks he does have total control over all operations

me thinks you make up half the stuff you post on this board

it was widely reported Larry wanted to keep Burke yet Cope still showed him da door and da reason for that is Bell/Rogers have a deal to vote as a block which gives them controlling interest in MLSE

also the people running Rogers/Bell don't own their respective companies and have responsibilities far greater than to just hang around and be jock sniffers like Larry was described but they do have the majority of the seats on the board combined and have the final say

 

[hamzarocks]

Just go buy a box of tissues already bud

Lol

 

[PromisedLand]

Hyman's being a greedy f***er. Simple as that.

We can afford him at 4x4 which is the max he's worth. He's trying to chase bags now.

Him not being a leaf is his decision. I seriously hope though if he walks away to chase the money that first game back we have some one deck him hard.

Besides Spezza, Leafs have zero team players.

No one on this team will give a discount

Marner, Matthews, Tavares, Nylander are all combined a giant LOL

Rielly (seems the most likely outcome), Hyman both will be chasing money rather than sticking with the team that drafted, developed them

Muzzin, Brodie took the upper end of what they were worth

Campbell probably looks at 4M if he has a solid year next year

Leafs don't get discounts, they give overpayments

Why should Hyman bendover when Matthews/Marner squeezed every last penny and not take any team friendly deals?

If there is a market that will pay Hyman a lot more why should he take less? Especially when his line mates didn't and they don't even f***ing work hard. Hyman is doing all the heavy lifting on that line.

I wont blame Hyman one bit if he decides to move on to greener pastures where there is actually a solid chance of getting paid a fair value and also a solid chance at the cup heck even a series win.

Leafs have been effed by Dubas and Shanahan so bad that any player would who really wants to win and would think twice about signing here given the locker room culture where making more money; i played well puck didnt go in not my mistake etc.... is the f***ing mindset.

 

[Bellefour20]

Dubas - I can't and I won't.

Matthews and Marner told him not to bother coming back with their play in the playoffs.

 

[hamzarocks]

Why should Hyman bendover when Matthews/Marner squeezed every last penny and not take any team friendly deals?

If there is a market that will pay Hyman a lot more why should he take less? Especially when his line mates didn't and they don't even f***ing work hard. Hyman is doing all the heavy lifting on that line.

I wont blame Hyman one bit if he decides to move on to greener pastures where there is actually a solid chance of getting paid a fair value and also a solid chance at the cup heck even a series win.

Leafs have been effed by Dubas and Shanahan so bad that any player would who really wants to win and would think twice about signing here given the locker room culture where making more money; i played well puck didnt go in not my mistake etc.... is the f***ing mindset.

Hymans supposed to be a hearth and soul player. A guy who bleeds blue. He was brought into the system and we developed him into a great top 6 player.

I was hoping that considering his personal financial wealth and the fact that he loved the city and team as we saw when he forced his way here, he'd be Willing to take a fair deal and not pull a UFA power play to get max dollars for to long

He was a guy along with rielly and marner who I expected discounts from

Marner obviously f***ed the leafs for every penny

Hymans walking to chase ever last dollar he can get

Rielly will follow suit and no doubt look to get overpaid on his deal.

 

[hotpaws]

Elliot is getting very dramatic , lol

wtf is there to prepare for ? it's not like he's some franchise level player who's told the team he's leaving , lol , the guys an unskilled hard working energy player and who's done little to nothing in the playoffs

 

[Mess]

The Leafs were a 105 point team which Dubas inherited prior to signing Tavares for $11 mil and this is what Leafs looked like;

1st line:
Hyman (15 goals) + Matthews (34 goals) and Nylander (22 goals) = 71 goals combined all as rookies and 2nd year players on their ELCs.
&
2nd line:
Marleau @ $6.25 mil ( 27 goals) + Kadri @ $4.5 mil (32 goals) + Connor Brown @2.1 mil (14 goals) = $12.85 mil AAV total and 73 goals
&
3rd line
JVR ($5 mil & 36 goals) + Bozak ($5 mil & 14 goals ) + Marner (on ELC @ $1 mil & 22 goals) and had a $11 mil AAV 3rd line total that put up 72 goals, behind Matthews and Kadri lines #1 & #2.

Our Leafs strength on why they were successful was a deep and balance top 9 forwards where Line #1 = 71 goals & Line #2 = 73 goals and line #3 = 72 goals.

Now the only players standing once Hyman is forced out as a cap casualty are the 3 Amigos and Tavares that eat up 1/2 the Leafs salary cap.

Its fine and dandy to keep saying let players walk and bottom fill with cheaper contracts to offset the Big 4 but look at the offense we lost since Dubas took over and other than Tavares and his $11 mil where has all the rest of that offense gone as it certainly wasn't replaced?.

 

[hotpaws]

Matthews and Marner told him not to bother coming back with their play in the playoffs.

what did Hyman say to them about his play ? the guy was left unchecked all series while the Habs concentrated on M and M and blew chance after chance , hell i still don't know if he even touched the puck that was going in regardless on the goal he was given credit for (and only point he had)

 

[PromisedLand]

Hymans supposed to be a hearth and soul player. A guy who bleeds blue. He was brought into the system and we developed him into a great top 6 player.

I was hoping that considering his personal financial wealth and the fact that he loved the city and team as we saw when he forced his way here, he'd be Willing to take a fair deal and not pull a UFA power play to get max dollars for to long

He was a guy along with rielly and marner who I expected discounts from

Marner obviously f***ed the leafs for every penny

Hymans walking to chase ever last dollar he can get

Rielly will follow suit and no doubt look to get overpaid on his deal.

Hyman already gave the team a discount with his previous contract. Also, he refused to sign with Florida to play for the Leafs.

The "being together" and "team mentality" actually comes from the team. When you see players Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander (to an extent) squeeze every penny knowing full well that team will suffer but "I got mine"; why should Hyman not do it? whats in it for Hyman?

- Hyman does all the heavy lifting on that line
- Why should Hyman take discount when the 4 guys didnt? *** Tavares 11AAV was the 2nd highest AAV at the time he signed the contract only behind McDavid at the time.

- His line mates go quiet come playoff time while making the big moolah, buying expensive things and holidays living it up and securing their life. Why is this sacrifice only expected from Hyman?

Hypothetically, if Hyman signed for cheap then what? You think this team that the moron dubas has built with 4 guys taking 50% of the cap will have any success at the cup?

So Hyman should suffer both financially, do all the heavy lifting on his line and then not even have any professional success with playoff wins or chance at the cup?

Yea.... I don't blame Hyman if he signs elsewhere where he is compensated for what he is worth and the team mentality is to take a little less to stay together to have a chance at the cup.

Just watch Crosby's interview with the spittin chicklets regarding this or heck read the interview by Shanahan where he said (paraphrasing): "We expect our young leaders to take a little less to keep the team together"

Yea... the young leaders squeezed every penny out, got "A" on their jersey, got front loaded contract where they can invest heavily now and earn higher return later and Dubas bent over backwards for them.

I don't see the locker room where players bleed blue and white, and the management doesn't care that they don't; so even if I bleed blue and white that is in vain. I'd walk away from this too.

Remember when Lou said "it is the logo in the front not the name on the back that matters"; Dubas changed that to "name on the back matters more than the logo in the front"

This isn't a locker room that bleeds blue and white. yea.... I love the Leafs, but if I was Hyman I'd walk no matter how blue and white I bleed. Because the people in the locker room bleed "green" for money and have the mindset of selfish "me first" person and this attitude was started and fostered by Dubas under the umbrella of Shanahan

 

[Jmo89]

Elliot is getting very dramatic , lol

wtf is there to prepare for ? it's not like he's some franchise level player who's told the team he's leaving , lol , the guys an unskilled hard working energy player and who's done little to nothing in the playoffs

I've come to like Hyman alot, but a part of me wonders if my, and others love for him, is moreso because the rest of the team largely lacks compete and physicality.

Then there's the issue that, "players like Hyman," are what make you win in the playoffs... But... He's been injured and ineffective the past 2-3 playoffs.

It'll suck losing one of the few guys who competes and is physical nearly every game, but the Leafs need to stop getting attached to players who don't make a difference when it matters most. They especially need to stop overpaying them.

 

[socko]

Elliot is getting very dramatic , lol

wtf is there to prepare for ? it's not like he's some franchise level player who's told the team he's leaving , lol , the guys an unskilled hard working energy player and who's done little to nothing in the playoffs

They're trying to prepare you for Dubas giving him $5 and make it seem like a good deal. Oh boy aren't we lucky to have Dubas the young master genius. He kept Hyman, what a genius.

 

[rumman]

Dubas - I can't and I won't.

No magic beans left to fill out the roster with nothing but retreads and reclamation projects. Dubas once again will have to shop at Misfit Island.

 

[Aus34Matt]

Yup Dubas screwed him by not willing to give him the 5m+ contract he wants and we have seen given out before to Clarkson. You don't give players like Hyman and Clarkson and Ladd massive contracts cause they regress horribly.

I just wish your agenda to bash Dubas didn't make you sound so foolish by wanting to give Hyman at 5m+ contract with alot of years.. Like we haven't learned from our past mistakes in giving players that, AKA Clarkson.

Let's get rid of Hyman so we can find and sign a good player like Hyman.

 

[rumman]

Hymans supposed to be a hearth and soul player. A guy who bleeds blue. He was brought into the system and we developed him into a great top 6 player.

I was hoping that considering his personal financial wealth and the fact that he loved the city and team as we saw when he forced his way here, he'd be Willing to take a fair deal and not pull a UFA power play to get max dollars for to long

He was a guy along with rielly and marner who I expected discounts from

Marner obviously f***ed the leafs for every penny

Hymans walking to chase ever last dollar he can get

Rielly will follow suit and no doubt look to get overpaid on his deal.

Why would a player give a discount when the entitled divas didn’t and in doing so left nothing to improve the team? I hope Zack gets paid and is happy moving on, Leafs will miss him more than he’ll miss doing the heavy lifting for the chosen ones.....

 

[hullsy47]

Dubas - I can't and I won't.

He really thought he'd have a cup contender by now
Fire dubas

 

[rumman]

He really thought he'd have a cup contender by now
Fire dubas

When Babcock said there’s going to be pain, well I didn’t think it be this painful.....

 

[Suntouchable13]

It's amazing how this supposed top line player gets a free pass for 13 points in 32 playoff games just because he works hard. I like the player just fine, but in a 3rd line role. On a proper Stanley Cup contender that's what he is.

 

[rumman]

It's amazing how this supposed top line player gets a free pass for 13 points in 32 playoff games just because he works hard. I like the player just fine, but in a 3rd line role. On a proper Stanley Cup contender that's what he is.

Who replaces him?

 

[Leaf Fans]

The Leafs were a 105 point team which Dubas inherited prior to signing Tavares for $11 mil and this is what Leafs looked like;

1st line:
Hyman (15 goals) + Matthews (34 goals) and Nylander (22 goals) = 71 goals combined all as rookies and 2nd year players on their ELCs.
&
2nd line:
Marleau @ $6.25 mil ( 27 goals) + Kadri @ $4.5 mil (32 goals) + Connor Brown @2.1 mil (14 goals) = $12.85 mil AAV total and 73 goals
&
3rd line
JVR ($5 mil & 36 goals) + Bozak ($5 mil & 14 goals ) + Marner (on ELC @ $1 mil & 22 goals) and had a $11 mil AAV 3rd line total that put up 72 goals, behind Matthews and Kadri lines #1 & #2.

Our Leafs strength on why they were successful was a deep and balance top 9 forwards where Line #1 = 71 goals & Line #2 = 73 goals and line #3 = 72 goals.

Now the only players standing once Hyman is forced out as a cap casualty are the 3 Amigos and Tavares that eat up 1/2 the Leafs salary cap.

Its fine and dandy to keep saying let players walk and bottom fill with cheaper contracts to offset the Big 4 but look at the offense we lost since Dubas took over and other than Tavares and his $11 mil where has all the rest of that offense gone as it certainly wasn't replaced?.

Yeah, they had a great regular season.

 

[Doublerum1975]

I really like Hyman but do you really think its going to stop Mathews and marner from putting up points in the the regular season if he leaves?he supposed to be a playoff player hasn't shown it

 

[CelticDruid]

Losing Hyman will be a big blow to the Leafs.

Little by little, the team is being replaced with dumpster diving specials.

So many assets are walking out the door with nothing coming back




I haven't felt this low since John Ferguson Junior was running the show.