Mirtle: End is near for Hyman in Toronto

[trellaine201]

Not having Hyman is so wrong!

 

[93LEAFS]

Larry Tanenbaum, cannot count, the money he has made in real estate, forget, what he has made elsewhere.

I have to laugh, at suggestions, that he, is going to let, a braheim, like Hyman, go elsewhere.

Best jewish NHLer of all time, growing right up, in front of Larry.

I taught one of his son's, great kid, really liked him.

So makes me feel that Larry was a pretty good father on top of a real estate superstar.

So superstar jewish owner, proud of his heritage, is going to let Zach Hyman, leave, for an extra this or that.

If that happens, well, yeah, I have seen just about everything in this franchise.

BTW, a client of mine, was a jewish stockbroker.

Don Cherry roomed with him, claimed he was the most vicious nhler in nhl history, Larry Zeidel.

larry and I chewed the fat often, I really liked him.

Only NHL, owner, to give him a chance upon expansion.

Snider, another superstar jewish guy.

If Tanenbaum lets this guy go, woof, I will be stunned.

Zach Hyman is a tanenbaum decision. Period.

In summation, Zach Hyman, is not in Dubas's wheelhouse.



Interesting, both named Larry.

You don't understand how MLSE ownership operates if you believe Tannenbaum has actual power. When the teachers owned it he did, as they mostly let him do what he wants. He's a figurehead and gets to be the public face of the team for big events (like the Raps winning the title). One because the head of Rogers and Bell have other priorities than going to an NHL or NBA board of governor meetings, and two neither wants to show favoritism to the other. When Bell and Rogers each bought their 35% shares of MLSE from the Teachers and TD Bank, they agreed that they would never vote against each other on-board issues, so no one courted Tannenbaum (and his 2 other board seats). With the two telecom giants controlling 6 of the 8 MLSE board seats, they essentially decide everything. Larry could be pissed as hell, but he can't do anything about it other than sell his shares to someone else who wants the status attached and is wealthy enough.

Tannenbaum could be pissed as hell, he may even want to fire Shanahan and Dubas, but with only 2 of the 8 required votes, and the other 6 seats controlled by a group that has a contract requiring them to vote in unison on board level issues, he can't do anything.

Simply put, Tannenbaum isn't Dubas boss, the MLSE Board of directors is, and that is controlled by Joe Natale and Marko Bibic.

 

[Pengu]

That contract will get really ugly at the tail end of it. Some idiot GM will give him a long term contract well into his mid 30s only to be desperate to get rid of it after 4-5 years.

 

[Bluelines]

The coach couldn't counteract CBJ last post season either. If not for a miracle empty net occurrence, they were done in 4. (may as well have been given the game 5 effort)

Keefe has no business being in charge of an NHL bench if he can't figure out how to counter a team with one effective checking line.

I agree, I think Keefe is a good coach with the X's and O's as long as he does not have to adjust mid-game. Coaches like Trotz, Cassidy, Cooper even Torts have an ability to coach to the game that is being played vs Keefes approach to coaching, he coaches the game he wants played, trying to jam down the throat of the opposition his preference. Sometimes the other team is better that night and as a coach you have to be able to adjust midgame and change your style and take what they give you until you can dictate play.

Pretty sure I was one of a few people on this forum that during the regular season, who was saying the Leafs are not as good as their record indicates, defensively they had too many pee wee break downs, too many long stretches of chasing the puck ... one of self proclaimed advance stats grur's Little z was saying ....no Bluelines you're wrong, this stat says this, and this stat says that, they are a great team... you're completely wrong... well chalk one up for the eye test crowd... I was right....advance stats team was wrong... what I noticed does not show up on a spreadsheet...

 

[forecheck]

I agree, I think Keefe is a good coach with the X's and O's as long as he does not have to adjust mid-game. Coaches like Trots, Cassidy, Cooper even Torts have an ability to coach to the game that is being played vs Keefes approach to coaching is he coaches the game he wants played. Sometimes the other team is better that night and as a coach you have to be able to adjust midgame and change your style.

Pretty sure I was one of a few people on this forum that during the regular season that was saying the Leafs are not as good as their record indicates, defensively they had too many pee wee break downs, too many long stretches of chasing the puck ... one of self proclaimed advance stats grur's Little z was saying ....no Bluelines you're wrong, this stat says this, and this stat says that, they are a great team... you're completely wrong... well chalk one up for the eye test crowd... I was right....advance stats team was wrong... what I noticed does not show up on a spreadsheet...

I dont even think he is an above average X and O Coach ? Every Coach at a descent level has a Good X and O grasp.

I haven't seen anything other than he is married to the GMS "skill and puck possession " philosophy which is not a winning philosophy . He has skilled players and they cant even put together an efficient Power Play ?? ( and dont blame Malholtra its the HC job ))

From what I see - he is in WAY over his head ... over playing M and M ... no ability to adjust in game or even between games .... he is a ROOKIE NHL Coach learning on the job at the biggest stage in hockey ??? Why would anyone think that makes sense .

 

[rumman]

I agree, I think Keefe is a good coach with the X's and O's as long as he does not have to adjust mid-game. Coaches like Trotz, Cassidy, Cooper even Torts have an ability to coach to the game that is being played vs Keefes approach to coaching, he coaches the game he wants played, trying to jam down the throat of the opposition his preference. Sometimes the other team is better that night and as a coach you have to be able to adjust midgame and change your style and take what they give you until you can dictate play.

Pretty sure I was one of a few people on this forum that during the regular season, who was saying the Leafs are not as good as their record indicates, defensively they had too many pee wee break downs, too many long stretches of chasing the puck ... one of self proclaimed advance stats grur's Little z was saying ....no Bluelines you're wrong, this stat says this, and this stat says that, they are a great team... you're completely wrong... well chalk one up for the eye test crowd... I was right....advance stats team was wrong... what I noticed does not show up on a spreadsheet...

This is like saying he’s a good cook if he doesn’t have to crack a egg.......

 

[17 Clark]

LOL...but I know what you mean...Cher, Cyndi Lauper and Barbra Streisand?

Close try Matthews Junior man and the blonde fashion model JT can take a hit without being a like them

 

[Bluelines]

This is like saying he’s a good cook if he doesn’t have to crack a egg.......

 

[Mess]

If I were going into a playoff battle then Zach Hyman would be among the first players I would want off the Leafs roster to follow into battle.

 

[justashadowof]

The eggs in that carton were cracked by the previous coach. And now its contents are spoiling.

 

[Bluelines]

The eggs in that carton were cracked by the previous coach. And now its contents are spoiling.

LOL.. nice...

 

[JT AM da real deal]

You don't understand how MLSE ownership operates if you believe Tannenbaum has actual power. When the teachers owned it he did, as they mostly let him do what he wants. He's a figurehead and gets to be the public face of the team for big events (like the Raps winning the title). One because the head of Rogers and Bell have other priorities than going to an NHL or NBA board of governor meetings, and two neither wants to show favoritism to the other. When Bell and Rogers each bought their 35% shares of MLSE from the Teachers and TD Bank, they agreed that they would never vote against each other on-board issues, so no one courted Tannenbaum (and his 2 other board seats). With the two telecom giants controlling 6 of the 8 MLSE board seats, they essentially decide everything. Larry could be pissed as hell, but he can't do anything about it other than sell his shares to someone else who wants the status attached and is wealthy enough.

Tannenbaum could be pissed as hell, he may even want to fire Shanahan and Dubas, but with only 2 of the 8 required votes, and the other 6 seats controlled by a group that has a contract requiring them to vote in unison on board level issues, he can't do anything.

Simply put, Tannenbaum isn't Dubas boss, the MLSE Board of directors is, and that is controlled by Joe Natale and Marko Bibic.

Larry is chairman of MLSE and Shanny is one of his reports as Leafs prez. What happens at board mtgs who knows unless you are there. Larry actually put together the deal for Teachers to exit and increased his ownership position at time of closing. I highly doubt Larry put in da extra $$$ unless he had full operating control of all clubs. Bell and Rogers are passive investors looking for both content and ownership value over time. Everyone got what they wanted. If Larry does not want Shanny in his role then Shanny won't be there.

 

[rumman]

Touchee, I should have seen that coming. I’m of the age where paying more for someone else to crack your eggs just seems lazy and expensive, but to each his own......

 

[rumman]

Larry is chairman of MLSE and Shanny is one of his reports as Leafs prez. What happens at board mtgs who knows unless you are there. Larry actually put together the deal for Teachers to exit and increased his ownership position at time of closing. I highly doubt Larry put in da extra $$$ unless he had full operating control of all clubs. Bell and Rogers are passive investors looking for both content and ownership value over time. Everyone got what they wanted. If Larry does not want Shanny in his role then Shanny won't be there.

Don’t give me false hope, at least that’s where I’m at..........

 

[Bluelines]

LOL...but I know what you mean...Cher, Cyndi Lauper and Barbra Streisand?

50% of the people on this forum have no clue who those 3 women are.... .... you're reaching far back for Barbara

 

[Bluelines]

I agree with your points, however it’s not like Hyman did much offensively over these past 5playoffs.
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From his stats, you can see he isn’t much of a playoff performer, especially the past 3 years. Now his stats shouldn’t be the reason we are losing as at 2.250 his job isn’t to really produce at a huge rate his job is to get the puck to Matthews and Marner. So whilst his production is bad, it doesn’t hurt us much.

Your math is a little off there dude, 6+7+7+5+7 = 32 not 52

13 points in 32 games is respectable. 3 points in a 5 game series, is good, 4 points in a 6 game series is good, 4 points in a 7 game series is good. Considering he played the 2018-19 series with torn ACL, I'd give him a pass on that series. So 12 points in 25 games, even this past series, he was not healthy, his knee was still jacked up. So 11 points in 18 healthy games and 2 points in 14 injury riddle games. Kinda OK eh?

 

[93LEAFS]

Larry is chairman of MLSE and Shanny is one of his reports as Leafs prez. What happens at board mtgs who knows unless you are there. Larry actually put together the deal for Teachers to exit and increased his ownership position at time of closing. I highly doubt Larry put in da extra $$$ unless he had full operating control of all clubs. Bell and Rogers are passive investors looking for both content and ownership value over time. Everyone got what they wanted. If Larry does not want Shanny in his role then Shanny won't be there.

They aren't passive investors. They were the ones who came in and insisted on the new structure of the organization. Rogers and Bell control the board. It was George Cope who convinced Rogers to go along with him and fire Burke as their first action. Larry doesn't have full control.

 

[Aus34Matt]

Goodbye Hyman, it's been fun... Dufus screwed ya.

 

[mydnyte]

And?

It seems pretty much unanimous that it's time to move on from Hyman given his age, injury history, and likely contract expectations. Who is arguing differently?

Not me, I've been on the dump Hyman bandwagon for a few years already ...not every post is argumentative

 

[egd27]

Not me, I've been on the dump Hyman bandwagon for a few years already ...not every post is argumentative

Not sure why you would have wanted to dump him for a few years, but I guess that's why Baskin-Robbins has 31 flavors.

 

[IPS]

Hyman, Rielly and Campbell are our 3 best bang for buck contracts right now and we've likely already lost Hyman and Rielly and Campbell are set to expire in 1 more year.

I can't possibly see how things are going to get any better...

 

[WilliamInLondon]

I'm going to wait until I see the final figures, but I'm guessing it's 28-30 million for 5 years from someone other than the Leafs.

what a warrior and will be tough to see him go, but definitely a blessing in disguise that he earns his fortunes elsewhere. he's going to be really tough to replace these next few seasons, but the thought of him making $5.5-6.0M as a 33-35 year old scares the daylights out of me.

 

[joepeps]

If I were going into a playoff battle then Zach Hyman would be among the first players I would want off the Leafs roster to follow into battle.

Even at 6 mil???

 

[ToneDog]

Hyman, Rielly and Campbell are our 3 best bang for buck contracts right now and we've likely already lost Hyman and Rielly and Campbell are set to expire in 1 more year.

I can't possibly see how things are going to get any better...

You need to listen more to Dekes. We will be fine. Dubas has it all under control and will navigate the cap like the Titanic navigated the Atlantic.

 

[WilliamInLondon]

Hyman, Rielly and Campbell are our 3 best bang for buck contracts right now and we've likely already lost Hyman and Rielly and Campbell are set to expire in 1 more year.

I can't possibly see how things are going to get any better...

it'll only get better through internal growth and overseas/bargain bin signings. big UFA signings rarely pan out, but can put a contender over the top. Leafs don't have the space to maneuver, so it's down to hoping to find a 2-3 more Bogosians/Spezzas, and big jumps from Sandin AND Liljegren on D, and at least 3 out of these guys punching above their AAV weight: Mikheyev, Brooks, Malgin, Galchenyuk, Robertson, and any other darkhorse