Mirtle: End is near for Hyman in Toronto

[Torontonian]

The Leafs have the money to resign Hyman, I don't know why people are saying they dont. They just aren't stupid enough to give Hyman 5m+ a year. Its just stupid thinking to trade Marner so we have the money to overpay someone thats' going to FA? Is Marner overpaid, yes, but to say thats the reason we cant sign Hyman is stupid. The reason we can't sign Hyman is because he wants a awful contract.

Would you rather the Leafs trade for Konecy and pay him 5.5m or have Dubas resign Hyman to a 5m+ year contract where hes been hurt the last 3 seasons. I know what one would be the obvious choice.

 

[gamer1035]

It is Marner fault for demanding such a high price then totally disappearing in the playoffs year after year

Still the gm's fault. That contract was an overpayment when it was made.

Only dubas supporters supported the contract, and now they say the contract is marners fault.

 

[Stonehands1990]

Still the gm's fault. That contract was an overpayment when it was made.

Only dubas supporters supported the contract, and now they say the contract is marners fault.

All we had to do was draw a line in the sand and stick to it. I’d rather he sign his offer sheet. We take the 4 picks and Kapanen takes his ice time. Problem solved

 

[rumman]

All we had to do was draw a line in the sand and stick to it. I’d rather he sign his offer sheet. We take the 4 picks and Kapanen takes his ice time. Problem solved

Yes, but Mr. Arrogance had to ensure “we can and we will” was accomplished regardless of it ruining any chance at success.......

 

[myleafs]

Nate just complained about not winning shit in 9 years. Can’t see him giving the Avs a discount with those comments.

Im pretty sure he talked about himself and not the team...looked around , lots of links that say he will take less on next contract...
nbc sports for example..
Bargain star MacKinnon says he’d take less money again to help Avalanche win

 

[Stonehands1990]

Im pretty sure he talked about himself and not the team...looked around , lots of links that say he will take less on next contract...
nbc sports for example..
Bargain star MacKinnon says he’d take less money again to help Avalanche win

He’ll probably look at Matthews & McDavid as comparables and take 9-10 AAV

 

[613Leafer]

All we had to do was draw a line in the sand and stick to it. I’d rather he sign his offer sheet. We take the 4 picks and Kapanen takes his ice time. Problem solved

Marner had zero leverage. I remember checking at the time and there were like 2 teams in the league that had both the capspace and their own picks required to actually offersheet Marner, and neither one of them would have made any sense (I think it was Colorado and Ottawa, but I could be wrong on that, was a few years ago). Colorado wasn't about to do it with their own RFAs to deal with, and Ottawa is one of the cheapest teams in the league and was bottoming out, so zero chance they trade 4 unprotected 1st rounders.

Like you said, we should have drawn a line in the sand. Aho at the time was just as good a player as Marner (was coming off an 83 point season where he led his team in goals and points, played with worse linemates, and was a two-way centre which is more valuable), and he was only offersheeted for 5 years X 8.5M. NOBODY was going to offersheet Marner at 10.5M+.

The offersheet was the boogieman threat, and Dubas folded hard to the perceived threat, public pressure, or whatever it was. For a GM who otherwise has done a pretty good job, he did just about as poorly as you could possibly do on the big 3 RFA contracts.

 

[Stonehands1990]

Marner had zero leverage. I remember checking at the time and there were like 2 teams in the league that had both the capspace and their own picks required to actually offersheet Marner, and neither one of them would have made any sense (I think it was Colorado and Ottawa, but I could be wrong on that, was a few years ago). Colorado wasn't about to do it with their own RFAs to deal with, and Ottawa is one of the cheapest teams in the league and was bottoming out, so zero chance they trade 4 unprotected 1st rounders.

Like you said, we should have drawn a line in the sand. Aho at the time was just as good a player as Marner (was coming off an 83 point season where he led his team in goals and points, played with worse linemates, and was a two-way centre which is more valuable), and he was only offersheeted for 5 years X 8.5M. NOBODY was going to offersheet Marner at 10.5M+.

The offersheet was the boogieman threat, and Dubas folded hard to the perceived threat, public pressure, or whatever it was. For a GM who otherwise has done a pretty good job, he did just about as poorly as you could possibly do on the big 3 RFA contracts.

I couldn’t agree with every component of this post more. To add Dubas was shell shocked from the Nylander holdout and wanted to avoid another. Still pretty brutal negotiations

 

[Space umpire]

My 2 cents on this is it’s Dubas’ fault period, he overpaid Marner. With that being said, if Marner doesn’t live up to his contract he’s got no one to blame but himself. Want to be paid elite? Perform elite and if you don’t, accept the criticism you entitled twerp.......

As long as Marner makes his best effort (up for debate) he has no blame.
There is a reason 2nd contracts don’t pay “full” value. Both guys had proved nothing and got paid like established stars.
You need another level for playoff hockey. Both guys lack that level. It would have been much smarter to learn that on a 3 yrs at 7.5 than where you are now looking for players to get you where these guys should have.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Marner had zero leverage. I remember checking at the time and there were like 2 teams in the league that had both the capspace and their own picks required to actually offersheet Marner, and neither one of them would have made any sense (I think it was Colorado and Ottawa, but I could be wrong on that, was a few years ago). Colorado wasn't about to do it with their own RFAs to deal with, and Ottawa is one of the cheapest teams in the league and was bottoming out, so zero chance they trade 4 unprotected 1st rounders.

Like you said, we should have drawn a line in the sand. Aho at the time was just as good a player as Marner (was coming off an 83 point season where he led his team in goals and points, played with worse linemates, and was a two-way centre which is more valuable), and he was only offersheeted for 5 years X 8.5M. NOBODY was going to offersheet Marner at 10.5M+.

The offersheet was the boogieman threat, and Dubas folded hard to the perceived threat, public pressure, or whatever it was. For a GM who otherwise has done a pretty good job, he did just about as poorly as you could possibly do on the big 3 RFA contracts.

Especially the tactics his camp used. That alone should have drawn the line in the sand.

 

[613Leafer]

Especially the tactics his camp used. That alone should have drawn the line in the sand.

Makes me think of the "blue and white disease" complaints about this team 10 years ago. I guess we're still dealing with it because we've yet to have a GM willing to hold our players to the same standards as the rest of the league.

With the front-loaded contracts and endorsement money available here, they end up doing better financially here if they sign for the same caphit as they would in virtually any other market (except the ultra low tax areas like Florida). You'd think that would help us get more reasonable caphits? Nah, our players just expect top top caphits on non-max length contracts with NMC as soon as possible and front loaded as much as possible. We give them absolutely everything they want and get nothing in return.

 

[ACC1224]

Marner had zero leverage. I remember checking at the time and there were like 2 teams in the league that had both the capspace and their own picks required to actually offersheet Marner, and neither one of them would have made any sense (I think it was Colorado and Ottawa, but I could be wrong on that, was a few years ago). Colorado wasn't about to do it with their own RFAs to deal with, and Ottawa is one of the cheapest teams in the league and was bottoming out, so zero chance they trade 4 unprotected 1st rounders.

Like you said, we should have drawn a line in the sand. Aho at the time was just as good a player as Marner (was coming off an 83 point season where he led his team in goals and points, played with worse linemates, and was a two-way centre which is more valuable), and he was only offersheeted for 5 years X 8.5M. NOBODY was going to offersheet Marner at 10.5M+.

The offersheet was the boogieman threat, and Dubas folded hard to the perceived threat, public pressure, or whatever it was. For a GM who otherwise has done a pretty good job, he did just about as poorly as you could possibly do on the big 3 RFA contracts.

I don’t think the offer sheet was something Dubas was concerned with. He made two mistakes with Marner. First, not taking the initial 8.5x8 Marner offered. Second, signing Matthews before signing Marner.
Agreed though, he did a really poor job with all of it.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Still the gm's fault. That contract was an overpayment when it was made.

Only dubas supporters supported the contract, and now they say the contract is marners fault.

What? I think that is made up. It also paints all "Dubas supporters" with the same brush, so clearly it is misleading.

 

[Coachcorner]

Ummmm what?

Clear english it was, sire. I was saying that now I'm waiting really with WHAT THEY WILL REPLACE the hy-man like you said sire. Now we are all just sitting down on dubs and waiting for what dubas will get us. WHAT WILL BE THE REPLEACEMENT OF HYMAN. JUST LIKE YOU SAID SIRE I love it. Now we will see with what dubas will repleace him. Just like you said. I'm sitting here, and waiting. Then I see it.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

And you are lol? All I’ve seen from you is you going at other posters for stupid sht that has nothing to really do with the team…so you calling another poster “not a fan” is entertaining to me

Must be responding to AllDork28...the only poster I have on ignore. That's all he/she does.

 

[Racer88]

Still the gm's fault. That contract was an overpayment when it was made.

Only dubas supporters supported the contract, and now they say the contract is marners fault.

Sorry I should reframe that answer. I absolutely blame Dubas for giving in to him but I blame Marner for even thinking he was worth that kind of money and shitting the bed so bad 3 years in a row

 

[Jeypic]

I don’t think the offer sheet was something Dubas was concerned with. He made two mistakes with Marner. First, not taking the initial 8.5x8 Marner offered. Second, signing Matthews before signing Marner.
Agreed though, he did a really poor job with all of it.

Do u have a link to the 8.5x8 offer Dubas refused?

 

[Dreakmur]

Yes, but Mr. Arrogance had to ensure “we can and we will” was accomplished regardless of it ruining any chance at success.......

That’s exactly why you don’t make grand claims like that.

 

[Aus34Matt]

I couldn’t agree with every component of this post more. To add Dubas was shell shocked from the Nylander holdout and wanted to avoid another. Still pretty brutal negotiations

Pretty much what you'd expect a rookie would do.

 

[shaner82]

Could have, should have, only if.......this gets tiring after a while.

It does get tiring, but at the same time, there's always numerous contenders and only 1 of them can win. It doesn't make the rest of the teams non-contenders. We are a good team. We have our flaws, but losing our #2 center absolutely hurt us.

We didn't get the job done, but it doesn't mean the team isn't a contender.

 

[Racer88]

I’m pretty sure the fact that they didn’t get it does mean they are not a contender. A contender would have at least got out of the 1st round.
I don’t think you can call a team that has lost in the first round 5 years in a row and hasn’t won a single round in nearly 20 years a contender

 

[rumman]

I’m pretty sure the fact that they didn’t get it does mean they are not a contender. A contender would have at least got out of the 1st round.
I don’t think you can call a team that has lost in the first round 5 years in a row and hasn’t won a single round in nearly 20 years a contender

Pretenders, not contenders.......

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Yes, but Mr. Arrogance had to ensure “we can and we will” was accomplished regardless of it ruining any chance at success.......

If people don't think that a guy who doesn't need Eye glasses and still wears them to look smart is not going to worry about a simple thing like "We can and we will" being held against him...well...you have some issues ahead of you.

He absolutely cares about what people think...its plainly obvious and furthermore it will inhibit his ability to do his job. He cares TOO much about what people think..contrary to what he says in public. It's his hill to die on and die on it he will.

 

[JayfromNB1219]

Must be responding to AllDork28...the only poster I have on ignore. That's all he/she does.

You got it

 

[justloveleafs]

[MOD]

Hyman will appear to sign a strong hometown discount. All I will venture.

This is just pure spec on my part, I truthfully know nothing at all, and I don't want to know.

But I just cannot see Hyman leaving.

Too much that can be legally, done, off the books in estimation.

Hyman, has been unbelievable, you let that go, ahh, it won't be the same around here.

All of us, collectively shut our mouths when Hyman went end to end against Boston, he literally had zero critics after that one solitary play, I personally love the guy.