Mirtle: End is near for Hyman in Toronto

[Mickey Marner]

Very Likely ... Then hopefully upper Management cleans house and the franchise can move on from this mess.

Hopefully.

Unfortunately by that point our core will all be 2-3 years away from free agency and it'll almost be time for another rebuild.

 

[Superstar]

It’s just that as a fan I am really frustrated at the playoff failure this year. I am sick of these guys not performing when it counts. Maybe I am being overly harsh on the players because of it.

This team completely laid over after taking the 3-1 series lead...they never showed up at the start of the remaining games after that, and they never led in the games after that...spotting 2-0 and 3-0 leads to Montreal...they had 3 chances to eliminate the Habs and that's how they showed up...the fact that Weber and Galagher were coming off injuries and that they got healthier as the series went tells you a lot about the Leafs...a tenacious and hungry team built the right way with the right players would have pounded those two to oblivion...you don't get free rides in the playoffs.

 

[Bluelines]

Gm1: Marner gives away the puck on the PP Leafs have to exit the zone; then while entering habs get a break and score a shorty

Gm1: Marner over the glass penalty for no f***ing reason

Gm6: No one around Marner and once again he f***ing puts the puck out giving habs 5 on 3 advantage and they score

Gm7: score tied 0-0, Marner f***ing gives away the puck on offensive blue line and habs transition to score the goal


There are other BS plays but these 4 plays were the most impactful plays where Leafs got screwed. Not only Marner is not f***ing scoring but he is making plays where Leafs get scored on. That is the definition of USELESS

So clearly he was the only one who made a mistake on the Leafs side? Galy give away in OT? Bogo screening our goalie in OT?

Newsflash hockey players are human. Human make mistakes. Even McJesus makes mistakes.

So are we taking an honest look at what this team needs or are we being typical myopic fans and just scaping goating the most convenient person?

 

[hamzarocks]

2014 to 2021 era for leafs, another era of failure.

Hyman, Brown, AJ, Kap, Moore were all at one point or another considered to be the valuable depth needed we could use to win with as we had the big 4(JT past 3 years)

All those guys will be out of the organization by the end of the summer, while the leafs will still have 0 series wins in the playoffs. We will be looking for those types of players again to make up for the lost depth on offense.

Amirov, Robertson, Hallinder, Hirvonen, Abramov are basically the 5 replaced now (though Amirov and Robertson are better than Kapanen and Brwon for the top 2).

We are probably 2 full years away from having these guys all be potential NHL players and probably 3-4 from them being impact players if they all make it(which is unlikely)

Leafs need a major retool soon. We've had UFAs be allowed to walk like candy (JVR, Komo, Bozak, Gards, Andersen). I wonder if the plan is to then to do the same thing with Rielly?

Leaf's chances of winning 4 playoff games are probably the lowest they've been since 2017 next year with Tampa, Boston being back, Montreal, and Flordia also being teams that can beat the leafs often enough.

2021/2022 looks like we could be missing the playoffs and then begin a major retool.

Keeping all 3 of Shanahan/Dubas/Keefe is going to be the move that kills this team

 

[Bluelines]

Whopper. Always Whopper.

Why not both?

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Who job is it to figure our the line up?

I don't know who you are trying to blame in the whole situation or what point you're trying to make.

 

[JEI]

Good player, but on the wrong side of it for the price and term he will command. Interested to see where he goes. Hopefully not a rival.

 

[6ix]

I appreciate the effort he plays with and it was nice to see him improve over the years, but truth is when other teams raise their level in the playoffs, he becomes ineffective. He deserves to cash in and I am hoping it’s not with the leafs. 5+ mill a year is too much for a player with limited skill set.

 

[nuck]

Good player, but on the wrong side of it for the price and term he will command. Interested to see where he goes. Hopefully not a rival.

Without the JT deal I would have wanted him back. Its okay to carry the risk of one guy in his 30s breaking down on you but with the knee injuries he seems like a really poor bet for a cap stressed team to be the second "older guy". Plus even a 4 year deal overlaps him with Matthews and Nylander's next contracts. I don't think he is all about the money just because he wouldn't take 3.5 x 3 or whatever the Leafs can afford but this is his last real deal right?

I would expect to see him only on a playoff team with some prospects and while I have no evidence of any kind, I can't see him signing in the division. Yeah best of luck to a character guy.

 

[Bluelines]

This team completely laid over after taking the 3-1 series lead...they never showed up at the start of the remaining games after that, and they never led in the games after that...spotting 2-0 and 3-0 leads to Montreal...they had 3 chances to eliminate the Habs and that's how they showed up...the fact that Weber and Galagher were coming off injuries and that they got healthier as the series went tells you a lot about the Leafs...a tenacious and hungry team built the right way with the right players would have pounded those two to oblivion...you don't get free rides in the playoffs.

I think one of the biggest issues was Montreal coaching staff adjusted their game plan vs Toronto and our coaching staff did not recognize the need to counter Montreal's adjustment, continued to run out the same line combinations, the same PP. We were one goal away, twice, from ending the series. Credit to Montreal and their ability to adjust. Danault line did a masterful job of countering the Matthews line. Leaving our two most dangerous offensive threats on the same line to match up against Danault's line was lazy? Incompetent? Stupid? Not sure what adjective describes that situation the best. Allowing Jumbo to play, when clearly he was slow in every aspect was not the best decision for the team. Kerfoot, Mikeyev and Engvall were invisible but we kept rolling them out game after game. We can add MacKinnon, McJesus, Marchand to this team and we would have had the same results, you continue to be predictable and any pro team will figure you out and shut you down. Marty St. Louis was once asked why he had such a great career , even though he was smaller than most forwards and he replied with one word, "Deception".. Leafs had zero deception in their game.

 

[Bluelines]

I don't know who you are trying to blame in the whole situation or what point you're trying to make.

I'm getting to it, not sure why you refuse to answer both questions directly.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

I'm getting to it, not sure why you refuse to answer both questions directly.

What do you want me to say? It's obviously the GM's job to figure it out. Just because Edmonton has done a poor job surrounding McDavid shouldn't take away the fact he left money on the table.

The difference between them and the Leafs is that Dubas got bent over in the deals he gave out. I'm not faulting Matthews or Marner in either case. But I'm still not in favour of either deal considering the term.

 

[mydnyte]

I think one of the biggest issues was Montreal coaching staff adjusted their game plan vs Toronto and our coaching staff did not recognize the need to counter Montreal's adjustment, continued to run out the same line combinations, the same PP. We were one goal away, twice, from ending the series. Credit to Montreal and their ability to adjust. Danault line did a masterful job of countering the Matthews line. Leaving our two most dangerous offensive threats on the same line to match up against Danault's line was lazy? Incompetent? Stupid? Not sure what adjective describes that situation the best. Allowing Jumbo to play, when clearly he was slow in every aspect was not the best decision for the team. Kerfoot, Mikeyev and Engvall were invisible but we kept rolling them out game after game. We can add MacKinnon, McJesus, Marchand to this team and we would have had the same results, you continue to be predictable and any pro team will figure you out and shut you down. Marty St. Louis was once asked why he had such a great career , even though he was smaller than most forwards and he replied with one word, "Deception".. Leafs had zero deception in their game.

Kerfoot may have been one of our top 3-4 players, he was working all over the ice, Mik was a waste of skates, and Engvall also did squat, so, in agreement, but Kerfoot was one of our better players (which is sad in its own way)

 

[rumman]

Matthews 3rd highest paid player, 5th highest scorer (points)
Tavares 5th highest paid player, 25th highest scorer (points)
Marner 7th highest paid player, 4th highest scorer (points)

What I find odd is people are targeting on Marner for his playoff choke with no consideration for his amazing regular season but Matthews has an equally bad playoffs but gets a pass because he had an amazing regular season?

What I find odd is people are saying its Marner's salary that is preventing us from signing Hyman but Marner's salary is better value compared to Tavares and Matthews.

Odd how a narrative starts and fans are willing to accept it with out critically questioning the logic....

Take two of AM; MM; JT; WN and move them , I don’t care which two, each has + and - of being dealt, but 2 of them got to go once boy wonder is replaced.

 

[darrylsittler27]

1. Keeping Dubas after he botched the rebuild makes no sense. It will take a new GM years to cleanup the mess he has made. We actually have to hope Tavares retires and chase Marner out of town. First place in the reg season means nothing now but a bad draft pick and we have the 20th ranked prospect pool. This team is one big mess being run by amateurs who dont have a clue what they are doing.

 

[rumman]

Matthews is a sacred cow here for another 3 years. After that? We shall see.

Not in my books, like every other player on this roster if a trade made the team better he’d be gone......in a New York minute.......

 

[PromisedLand]

So clearly he was the only one who made a mistake on the Leafs side? Galy give away in OT? Bogo screening our goalie in OT?

Newsflash hockey players are human. Human make mistakes. Even McJesus makes mistakes.

So are we taking an honest look at what this team needs or are we being typical myopic fans and just scaping goating the most convenient person?

Difference is that Galy and Bogo are not taking lion's share of the cap space and being invisible, wearing the "A" on the sweater and then screwing the Leafs cap wise and on ice.

 

[rumman]

That is Dubas' fault. Players can demand the world that doesnt mean GM has to bendover and hand it to them.

Dubas is the only guy to blame here

If I could like this twice I would......

 

[rumman]

He is a boy, he's 23 years old. When I was 23, the most pressure I was in was deciding Big Mac or Whopper.

Wow, just wow........

 

[rumman]

Very Likely ... Then hopefully upper Management cleans house and the franchise can move on from this mess.

And in the process waste another year......

 

[AllDay28]

1. Keeping Dubas after he botched the rebuild makes no sense. It will take a new GM years to cleanup the mess he has made. We actually have to hope Tavares retires and chase Marner out of town. First place in the reg season means nothing now but a bad draft pick and we have the 20th ranked prospect pool. This team is one big mess being run by amateurs who dont have a clue what they are doing.

so hyperbolic.

 

[killer1980]

1. Keeping Dubas after he botched the rebuild makes no sense. It will take a new GM years to cleanup the mess he has made. We actually have to hope Tavares retires and chase Marner out of town. First place in the reg season means nothing now but a bad draft pick and we have the 20th ranked prospect pool. This team is one big mess being run by amateurs who dont have a clue what they are doing.

But, he looks terrific in a suit and says all the things that ownership likes to hear.

 

[myleafs]

Matthews is a centre who played on a 60 goal pace and will come in 2nd for the Hart. Marner is an all situations winger on a 100 point pace. They're not sub $10M players. Get a clue.

If Marner was given a bridge deal similar to Point which would have helped out a lot by the tune of 4 mill to spend elsewhere....even with his 100 pts would we still be giving him 11 mill on his next contract with another subpar playoff performance?

 

[ToneDog]

Take two of AM; MM; JT; WN and move them , I don’t care which two, each has + and - of being dealt, but 2 of them got to go once boy wonder is replaced.

Moving 34 and 16 for the right pieces could turn this mess around quickly but no way do we want the current management team making those trades. As such stay the course and if they sh1t the bed again and fail to make the playoffs or round #2, fire Shanny and co and move 34 and 16. I would also consider moving 88 for the right price.

 

[ToneDog]

If Marner was given a bridge deal similar to Point which would have helped out a lot by the tune of 4 mill to spend elsewhere....even with his 100 pts would we still be giving him 11 mill on his next contract with another subpar playoff performance?

All 3 chose themselves/money over the team/winning even after Shanny groveled for them to take a team discount in order for the team to be able to provide them with a stronger supporting cast. Time to move on once Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest are fired.