Mirtle: End is near for Hyman in Toronto

[myleafs]

Definitely sire. The guy made every line better, those suckas is rare for life.

After this, we should be making some real, I mean treal trades to get us some mo thugs sire. We need hardness. No leaks. Stiffness.

A man like simmonds is key to have back now, same price tag spezza got. 700K, cheap suckas. Then trade for a rinaldo, a real killa. We might even get jt miller through trade, maybe even e.kane or meier. We truly needs some THUGS AND KILLAS. FOR LIFE SIRE. Now after our otha suckas is gone. We the biggest suckas. Dubas ain't dirt. Ruined it for us. Do better, fool.

Gotta say I disagree with this and will be disappointed if he does come back. I have always liked Simmonds but thought he was pretty useless in the role he came to fill. Seems like damaged goods to me. I want to see some kind of younger hungrier player that resembles the Simmonds of old, not the old beaten up version of Simmonds we saw this yr.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Yes sisire, and now I'm just waiting to hale and seeing what will they REPLACE him with. See to it. What will they get instead of hy-man? REPLACE that sucka then. Hard. I will wait and see.

Ummmm what?

 

[myleafs]

The biggest problem with analytics is it's inability to accurately measure proper behavior when a population changes behavior. By all accounts, the leafs were playing their system down to a tee, which was successful in the regular system but ineffective in the playoffs. The approach of the game is left to the tacticians, not the players. Keefe did not adjust appropriately and the team was left trying to hit a brick wall. If blame is to be assigned, it is a combination of how this team was prepared and adjustments to how it was expected to execute.

I agree mostly re keefe not adjusting but nobody was telling Marner to dispy doodle at the blueline and comically avoid 50/50 battles along the boards.

 

[egd27]

I think one of the biggest issues was Montreal coaching staff adjusted their game plan vs Toronto and our coaching staff did not recognize the need to counter Montreal's adjustment, continued to run out the same line combinations, the same PP. We were one goal away, twice, from ending the series. Credit to Montreal and their ability to adjust. Danault line did a masterful job of countering the Matthews line. Leaving our two most dangerous offensive threats on the same line to match up against Danault's line was lazy? Incompetent? Stupid? Not sure what adjective describes that situation the best. Allowing Jumbo to play, when clearly he was slow in every aspect was not the best decision for the team. Kerfoot, Mikeyev and Engvall were invisible but we kept rolling them out game after game. We can add MacKinnon, McJesus, Marchand to this team and we would have had the same results, you continue to be predictable and any pro team will figure you out and shut you down. Marty St. Louis was once asked why he had such a great career , even though he was smaller than most forwards and he replied with one word, "Deception".. Leafs had zero deception in their game.

The coach couldn't counteract CBJ last post season either. If not for a miracle empty net occurrence, they were done in 4. (may as well have been given the game 5 effort)

Keefe has no business being in charge of an NHL bench if he can't figure out how to counter a team with one effective checking line.

 

[Bluelines]

Difference is that Galy and Bogo are not taking lion's share of the cap space and being invisible, wearing the "A" on the sweater and then screwing the Leafs cap wise and on ice.

Gotch ya , only Marner has a big contract and was the only player who under performed.

 

[myleafs]

every team in the league save 4 have Cap Problems... at least we have an elite top end, and can fill in roster spots on the cheap, we do not need to unload anyone with a bad contract (like the Marleau, and TB needs to move Johnson with 3 years left at 5, with limited options).
They are -5million (over the cap) and need to sign at least 4-5 players including a reliable b/u goalie

We do not have Cap Dump players like most other teams do.
Our worst contract is arguably Kerfoot, and pre-covid his contract was considered a bargain, and still should be, as he is very easy to move if need be. I'd argue our worst contract is Muzzin, but, he's likely easy to move also (very good reputation still)

We are in a much better position Cap wise that the majority of teams in the league as strange as it may seem.

I am not sold on the bolded part at this juncture. Are you elite if you are unable to raise your game and actually regress when the going gets tough? We have been told how elite we are right from the start of the fab 4 signings and I bought into it as well but watching a lot of other teams is questioning my initial feelings on this.

 

[myleafs]

thats not an excuse, thats a reality ...and no decent team has cap space right now, even teams that missed the playoffs are screwed cap wise.
look up at my post about Montreal, if you want to talk about Cap screwed

If we are in the 3rd round and in cap trouble...where do I sign up? If your winning and in cap trouble who cares? Losing and in cap trouble....different story no?

 

[myleafs]

I’m sure there are many reasons why point took a bridge deal but I am most certain it wasn’t just because he wanted to play for a contender. His family, where he lives and taxes as well. You’ll have to ask him that. As for Bobrovsky. Florida was a middle of the pact team. He asked for it and got it. I would hate to think what you would do if you asked for a raise. “The boss offers you this much and you’re like, nah that’s to much. Give me less”.

Hasn't Mackinnon already come out and said he doesn't regret taking less on his current contract and will take less on his next so that the Avs can ice a competitive team?

 

[myleafs]

The Habs got outplayed badly by us and we didn't have Tavares. The Habs are currently tied in the series with the Stanley Cup favorite. I would say we are absolutely a contender. If we had JT we likely beat the Habs. We would have definitely beat the Jets. After that, who knows.

But the Leafs are a contender

Could have, should have, only if.......this gets tiring after a while.

 

[myleafs]

Matthews 3rd highest paid player, 5th highest scorer (points)
Tavares 5th highest paid player, 25th highest scorer (points)
Marner 7th highest paid player, 4th highest scorer (points)

What I find odd is people are targeting on Marner for his playoff choke with no consideration for his amazing regular season but Matthews has an equally bad playoffs but gets a pass because he had an amazing regular season?

What I find odd is people are saying its Marner's salary that is preventing us from signing Hyman but Marner's salary is better value compared to Tavares and Matthews.

Odd how a narrative starts and fans are willing to accept it with out critically questioning the logic....

I think its because we all saw Matthews hustle to backcheck, use his body more and not shy away from contact or make silly lazy giveaways. He still needs to score though and that is not lost on me but at least he tried to bring something else to the table when his usual skills were failing. Marner looked like a boy amongst men.

 

[myleafs]

Just because he hasn't in the past does not mean he wont in the future. A player with his skill level will not be a slug in the playoffs for his entire career.

Promise?

 

[fahad203]

Love the person and the player. But I am ok moving on. He himself hasn't produced much or been a difference maker as i thought he would be

 

[NinjaKick]

I don't like it... but it is what it is. Hyman is a cap casualty... hopefully Dubas has a couple tricks up his sleeve to find a replacement... not gonna lie though... I'm not feeling very confident at the moment.

 

[Notsince67]

I agree mostly re keefe not adjusting but nobody was telling Marner to dispy doodle at the blueline and comically avoid 50/50 battles along the boards.

Nobody told Marner nor did Marner do that

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Matthews 3rd highest paid player, 5th highest scorer (points)
Tavares 5th highest paid player, 25th highest scorer (points)
Marner 7th highest paid player, 4th highest scorer (points)

What I find odd is people are targeting on Marner for his playoff choke with no consideration for his amazing regular season but Matthews has an equally bad playoffs but gets a pass because he had an amazing regular season?

What I find odd is people are saying its Marner's salary that is preventing us from signing Hyman but Marner's salary is better value compared to Tavares and Matthews.

Odd how a narrative starts and fans are willing to accept it with out critically questioning the logic....

I think at the end of the day Matty looked better than Marner. He also looked like he was atleast trying in games 1-4. However, you're right. For the 3rd highest paid player in the game trying isn't enough. 1 goal in 7 games for the rocket winner is unacceptable. I remember a poster said that if Price played out of his mind than that's a valid reason we might lose. Nope, that doesn't work, not now. Price playing great, Denault becoming the best defensive player in NHL history, etc. none of that is valid. Matthews choked plan and simple. Marner crumbled under pressure. Matthews will get a slight pass though because he's definitely the best goal scorer we've ever had and he's the franchise number 1 center we've been missing since Sundin.

I don't know if these guys will ever get it. I don't know how many failures they'll have to go through to realize playoff hockey is a different breed. At the end of the day the brightest lights just aren't for everyone. If Marner is unable to rise to the moment against the toughest of competition, than that's it. Can't be mad at him for not being that killer. It's just unfortunate that Dubas got hoodwinked in the process. Maybe you just do what you did when he looked great in the playoffs, let him feast on the second line.

Anyway back on topic. I was a definitely one of Hyman's critics early on. I liked him as a player, but I couldn't stand that Babcock had him on the first line. I'm eating crow for that as Hyman is a great player that can play anywhere in your lineup. Good luck to him on where ever he ends up. Just another casualty of the over paid/under performing core.

 

[McSnypsky]

Hasn't Mackinnon already come out and said he doesn't regret taking less on his current contract and will take less on his next so that the Avs can ice a competitive team?

I'm pretty much sure he said something closer to he doesn't regret the contract he has but didn't say he was definitely taking less for the goodness of the team. I'm sure Crosby has given him a little pep talk about getting your worth at cap percentage which if the cap goes up will look like you took a discount a year later

 

[CDN24]

Montreal only has 7 forwards signed for next year, 2 RFA's to sign, their #1 C is a UFA with 2 d-men at min to sign and all that for $12 million with Danault already turning down a 5mil offer, so he'll eat 1/2 that space on his own to resign. ...I'm sure you would say they are in far better shape than us.
oh, and the following year (still on the flat cap) they'll need to resign Suzuki, Evans, Romanov, and Chariot with Zero expiring contracts of note (Kulak 1.85 being the only real expiring contract)
But, they are awesome right, and we are doing everything wrong?

Actually the 12.2M in Cap space number is based on a 18 man roster already, There are 9Fs in that number, One is Drouin either he plays or his 5.5M cap hit goes to LTIR. Tatar walks he's not even playing now, Re-sign Danault maybe 5 or 5.5M. Kotkaniemi gets a 2 year bridge maybe 2M, Perry comes back on a bargain contract maybe $1M. Thats 12F, resign one of Lehkonen or Armia for $2.5M. That uses about 10.5M of your space. so he has 1.8M left

There are 3 Goalies on that roster Primeau goes down giving another 800K back so up to 2.6M left.

That defense has 7 players on it signed- no vets to sign and he has a 22 man roster and 2.6M in space. Maybe he can sign both Lehkonen and Armia. Then who do the Kraken take? Probably Allen or Chiarot. If Allen then either you go with Primeau as backup and have 2M more Cap to work with or you have 2.9M to find another backup- should be doable. If they take Chiarot, you promote a young D and have Chiarots cap to work with to find another UFA or trade.

They can keep their team largely intact for 2021-22 with no Cap issues. Guys like Stall/Merril Gustafsson are gone but that was the plan- they were rentals. Rent some more next yr if needed.
2022-23 the only significant guy needing a contract is Suzuki, Chiarots probably already gone in expansion anyway. Suzuki will get bridged too, Bergevin does not give his RFA's without Arbitration rights massive UFA overpayments on 5/6 year deals.

Maybe Leafs can replace Hyman with Tatar - he is a first liner in regular season who can't crack the lineup come playoff time.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

If Marner was given a bridge deal similar to Point which would have helped out a lot by the tune of 4 mill to spend elsewhere....even with his 100 pts would we still be giving him 11 mill on his next contract with another subpar playoff performance?

That's a very good point. Marner is never getting more than Matthews or McDavid money after a bridge so if a bridge was possible that may have been the way to go. However, something tells me Mitch Money and Paul wouldn't accept that. So while Tampa is looking at repeating, we're wondering if the new make shift Leafs will be good enough to be a wild card team next season.

 

[MapleLeafs77]

Marner is f***ing useless in every playoff. That is why he is getting destroyed and rightfully so. Guy has not had a single good playoff round I can think of. I dont care about meaningless secondary assists. He hasnt scored a f***ing goal in 18 games. That is embarrassing.

Tavares - hasnt really had a good playoff series yet
Nylander - good vs capitals and habs
Marner - brutal every series except 2 games against boston the 1st year
Matthews - best playoff performer every year except vs bruins (1st time) and habs this year

Pretty simple which of the top 4 needs to go. Tavares is staying because you cant move him. Marner is the obvious choice. Besides the fact we need cap space with flat cap and its even more obvious.

 

[mydnyte]

Hasn't Mackinnon already come out and said he doesn't regret taking less on his current contract and will take less on his next so that the Avs can ice a competitive team?

they are going to have a hard time getting everyone signed this off season, and then need to make sure they can afford the MacKinnon cash-in in 2 years (and Bowen is up that year, but, nothing else of significance)

 

[shortfuze]

Hasn't Mackinnon already come out and said he doesn't regret taking less on his current contract and will take less on his next so that the Avs can ice a competitive team?

I have no idea. That’s something you need to ask him about. Also, he didn’t take a pay cut on his last contract. He got paid exactly what he was in line for.

 

[AllDay28]

Nate just complained about not winning shit in 9 years. Can’t see him giving the Avs a discount with those comments.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

I don't like it... but it is what it is. Hyman is a cap casualty... hopefully Dubas has a couple tricks up his sleeve to find a replacement... not gonna lie though... I'm not feeling very confident at the moment.

Not really a cap casualty in the true sense.

Even if there was room, you simply don't pay a Zach Hyman 6 million per year.

 

[MarMarSab3]

Hyman is a 3.5-4 million dollar player, he's a 3rd liner in every way.

 

[socko]

Not really a cap casualty in the true sense.

Even if there was room, you simply don't pay a Zach Hyman 6 million per year.

Dubas was probably Hyman's only real chance of getting a deal like that. Unfortunately for Zach, Dubas ran out of money. Thank goodness for the salary cap.