Mirtle: End is near for Hyman in Toronto

[egd27]

The offersheet was the boogieman threat, and Dubas folded hard to the perceived threat, public pressure, or whatever it was.

I disagree that a perceived offer sheet was the threat. IMO the threat was another holdout.

Kid Kyle was deathly afraid of another year of distractions like Nylander had just put everyone through.

Plus Kyle wouldn't be able to fire Babcock and install his Soo BFF if Marner wasn't signed and was sitting out.

 

[Legion34]

Im pretty sure he talked about himself and not the team...looked around , lots of links that say he will take less on next contract...
nbc sports for example..
Bargain star MacKinnon says he’d take less money again to help Avalanche win

This is massive revisionist history on his behalf. He was a 15 goal 55 pt player at the time of his contract. He was in literally therapy due to his feelings of being a bust He had great potential and obviously overcame his issues to be a fantastic player


But he didn’t take less. Like at all based on his comparables at the time.

 

[justloveleafs]

If Tanenbaum takes a children series public with the HYMAN family, on the side, what is wrong with that.

Hyman loves his dad, his city. Something will get done.

Hyman will never be an ex nhler that goes broke, too smart, too hard working and too respected by all around him.

His circle is here.

 

[Torontonian]

I don’t think the offer sheet was something Dubas was concerned with. He made two mistakes with Marner. First, not taking the initial 8.5x8 Marner offered. Second, signing Matthews before signing Marner.
Agreed though, he did a really poor job with all of it.

I think the threat of an offer sheet for Matthews was real, not so much for Marner. Friedman actually says the Leafs were afraid of the offersheet on Matthews if he got there on July 1st. So signing Matthews became priority number one.

Friedman: Coyotes eyed Auston Matthews offer sheet before extension

 

[Captain14]

It’s the leaving for nothing angle that hurts our prospects. I agree we can’t afford him, but walking for no return, that’s not a recipe for future success.

But it’s such a Leafy thing to do!

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Be cool to have your core actually say "I'll take less if I have to" " I want to win here" etc etc

We don't have that... similar to Yankees and Cowboys - we'll always have to "buy our way to victory" because no ones wants to actually play here, it's a media nightmare.

 

[17 Clark]

Whoever gives him this contract will regret it

He’s declining and coming off two bad knee injuries

Given how his style will age, I’m thankful that we won’t be stuck with his cap hit

So buy your comment if a player dearest to bleed blue and white get rid of them on the downside So the pre-Madonna’s do nothing and they can probably play for 20 years never win anything play for 20 years

 

[hockeynorth]

 

[McSnypsky]

So buy your comment if a player dearest to bleed blue and white get rid of them on the downside So the pre-Madonna’s do nothing and they can probably play for 20 years never win anything play for 20 years

This is a trope that we need to forget about, Tavares was a cool story but what we should want overall is someone that wants to win, if it's for blue and white glory or money or fame doesn't matter just so that you want to win and will play your part to do so.

 

[Leafsfan74]

His drive for the puck and corner battles will be missed.

In the end, all players are expendable, it's a team game and he hasn't won a round with this team. Of course, it's not entirely his fault and he does bring an important element, but him leaving (along with others) might end up being a blessing in disguise. It will force changes throughout the lineup, including potentially moving M and M to different lines and forcing them to play a more complete game, who knows?

Matthews has grown into a solid two way player who throws checks from time to time (especially in the playoffs), Marner has been a one dimensional player who can play PK and PP but can't play a harder North/South game.

When a team loses these many first round matchups a few changes are not only to be expected, they are to be demanded. Sometimes a stale, underachieving lineup needs a shakeup.

 

[gamer1035]

What? I think that is made up. It also paints all "Dubas supporters" with the same brush, so clearly it is misleading.

Your right, I shouldn't be doing that.

I just don't see the logic here though. If we offered Hyman an 8 year 100 million contract should he turn it down? Its not the players fault, its the gm's fault. Yeah Marner negotiated the deal, its still Dubas' fault for handing it out.

 

[ANDI P IS CUTE]

ITS QUITE possible this core never wins a playoff series lmao.

 

[AcerComputer]

That is Dubas' fault. Players can demand the world that doesnt mean GM has to bendover and hand it to them.

Dubas is the only guy to blame here

I agree Dubas shares the blame. But contrast that with McDavid, who gave the Oilers back $1.5m and said it was too much. Or Spezza, when he re-signed at league minimum the other day, and said "I would take less if I could".

 

[AcerComputer]

they signed marner a few months after they traded marleau

Because they didn't have the cap space to re-sign him while on the roster still...lol

 

[justloveleafs]

Larry Tanenbaum, cannot count, the money he has made in real estate, forget, what he has made elsewhere.

I have to laugh, at suggestions, that he, is going to let, a braheim, like Hyman, go elsewhere.

Best jewish NHLer of all time, growing right up, in front of Larry.

I taught one of his son's, great kid, really liked him.

So makes me feel that Larry was a pretty good father on top of a real estate superstar.

So superstar jewish owner, proud of his heritage, is going to let Zach Hyman, leave, for an extra this or that.

If that happens, well, yeah, I have seen just about everything in this franchise.

BTW, a client of mine, was a jewish stockbroker.

Don Cherry roomed with him, claimed he was the most vicious nhler in nhl history, Larry Zeidel.

larry and I chewed the fat often, I really liked him.

Only NHL, owner, to give him a chance upon expansion.

Snider, another superstar jewish guy.

If Tanenbaum lets this guy go, woof, I will be stunned.

Zach Hyman is a tanenbaum decision. Period.

In summation, Zach Hyman, is not in Dubas's wheelhouse.



Interesting, both named Larry.

 

[Leaf Fans]

ITS QUITE possible this core never wins a playoff series lmao.

Absolutely, certainly if they trade one of them.

 

[Mess]

Hyman is the straw the stirs the Leafs drink and he is he one through his hard work and effort that draws his teammates into the battle.

We keep hearing every Leafs line wants Hyman to be on theirs.

You watch these final 4 series and think Hyman is among the few Leaf players that wouldn't look out of place in these puck and board battles, while some of our Leafs would look completely lost.

It would figure that the one player perhaps best suited for playoff style hockey is one on the way out.

 

[justloveleafs]

For reasons stated, I don't see this warrior let go.

And even though, I taught Tanenbaum;s son, I never met Larry.

But I would bet he would rather see a lot of other players leave, before Zach.

To me, he is the Bob Gainey of 2021.

Going to be interesting to see how Dubas deals with his bosses favorite player

 

[Nylanderthal]

No which is why we said you can’t pay 3 forwards double digits instead of saying only pay the 3rd forward 9.99 million.

We committed to Matthews and Tavares.
Two 5/6 million wingers.
Complete 3rd line
Top 4 D
2 goalie tandem
Depth

I’ll agree 100% that the entire concept of committing so much cap to so few players is definitely questionable, I just don’t see marner’s “overpayment” being the major roadblock, but won’t disagree that having him period is worth exploring

 

[HolyCrap]

ITS QUITE possible this core never wins a playoff series lmao.

I’m thinking it’s more probable than just possible. Fml.

 

[Maple Leaf]

you must take less not more this is a cap crunch

 

[Aashir Mallik]

Hyman is the straw the stirs the Leafs drink and he is he one through his hard work and effort that draws his teammates into the battle.

We keep hearing every Leafs line wants Hyman to be on theirs.

You watch these final 4 series and think Hyman is among the few Leaf players that wouldn't look out of place in these puck and board battles, while some of our Leafs would look completely lost.

It would figure that the one player perhaps best suited for playoff style hockey is one on the way out.

I agree with your points, however it’s not like Hyman did much offensively over these past 5playoffs.

years	2016-2017(6GP)	2017-2018(7GP)	2018-2019(7GP)	2019-2020(5GP)	2020-2021(7GP)
Goals	1	1	1	1	1
Assists	3	3	0	2	0
Points	4	4	1	3	1
Total	13P	52GP

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

From his stats, you can see he isn’t much of a playoff performer, especially the past 3 years. Now his stats shouldn’t be the reason we are losing as at 2.250 his job isn’t to really produce at a huge rate his job is to get the puck to Matthews and Marner. So whilst his production is bad, it doesn’t hurt us much.


On the other hand, if he’s making 5-6, his production would need to be much better for him to be worth his contract, at 5-6m, you need production, and Hyman has produced in the regular season, but come playoffs he’s also on the long list of disappearing acts on the scoreboard. Effort can only get you so much leeway, but at the end of the day production is what matters.

And while yes, Marner and Matthews and Nylander and Tavares don’t perform in the playoffs at their expected levels either, we can’t trade them. dubas has already Triple downed on them, so talking about them is of no use.

All in all, Hyman is a warrior, he was a very lovable player with his consistent effort. I have an enormous amount of respect for him and wish him nothing but the best, but it seems as it may be time to part ways here.

 

[Superstar]

So buy your comment if a player dearest to bleed blue and white get rid of them on the downside So the pre-Madonna’s do nothing and they can probably play for 20 years never win anything play for 20 years

LOL...but I know what you mean...Cher, Cyndi Lauper and Barbra Streisand?

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Your right, I shouldn't be doing that.

I just don't see the logic here though. If we offered Hyman an 8 year 100 million contract should he turn it down? Its not the players fault, its the gm's fault. Yeah Marner negotiated the deal, its still Dubas' fault for handing it out.

It's Marner's fault if the only options he leaves Dubas is: 1) Sit out the season in the middle of the Leafs' prime; 2) Trade him and likely not for as much as he would get with the inflated cap hit since the other team almost certainly would not want to deal with Marner's crap any more than we would; or 3) Give him some kind of contract that Marner will take and salvage the relationship.

None of those end well for the Leafs except #3, which is what the Leafs chose to do. They can still do #2 and likely get much more than if they traded him before negotiating the deal, and #1 is not good for anyone. If the player/agent refuses to negotiate, it is not like you can hold a gun to their head. They are just a POS that chose to leave their team in a terrible situation.

And before saying any other GM would have been different, Ferris does this with all of his major clients and they all end up in similar situations... Across many different GMs. Now none of them come even close to Marner's talent level, so none reach the magnitude of Marner's deal, but all of them end up threatening to leave and often end up with overpaid deals or bridge deals that eventually lead them to getting traded or getting an inflated deal later on. That is literally Ferris' playbook.

Maybe Dubas should have forced Marner to fire his agent

 

[Stonehands1990]

Because they didn't have the cap space to re-sign him while on the roster still...lol

You can go over the cap by 10% (I believe) in the off season