Mirtle: End is near for Hyman in Toronto

[Superstar]

I’m sure there are many reasons why point took a bridge deal but I am most certain it wasn’t just because he wanted to play for a contender. His family, where he lives and taxes as well. You’ll have to ask him that. As for Bobrovsky. Florida was a middle of the pact team. He asked for it and got it. I would hate to think what you would do if you asked for a raise. “The boss offers you this much and you’re like, nah that’s to much. Give me less”.

That's what McDavid did with Chiarelli...Chiarelli offered him more money, but he gave money back to the Oilers because he wanted a better team around him...Point left a HUGE chunk of money on the table for the 3 years he signed on his bridge deal...money that I don't think he could make up on his next deal...Marner is a hometown kid, getting plenty of endorsements, his family is here, and the Leafs is a historic original 6 team...but hey, those things aren't enough that he has to bend over the Leafs too during contract negotiations. Bobrovsky is a great example that players don't take less money in Florida because of taxes...they could take less money for other reasons, like winning for example...some people are just more money hungry than others...I'm sure the difference between $9 million to $10 million won't make someone poor.

 

[Racer88]

It was a shitty negotiation all around. Marner tunnel focused on Matthews as a comparable rather than his actual comparables. Dubas for folding like a glove and giving into the unreasonable contract. Very shitty all around and Marner is wearing that contract like an anchor right now as he should.

To compound things, Marner’s comparable are actually better then him

 

[Bluelines]

Matthews 3rd highest paid player, 5th highest scorer (points)
Tavares 5th highest paid player, 25th highest scorer (points)
Marner 7th highest paid player, 4th highest scorer (points)

What I find odd is people are targeting on Marner for his playoff choke with no consideration for his amazing regular season but Matthews has an equally bad playoffs but gets a pass because he had an amazing regular season?

What I find odd is people are saying its Marner's salary that is preventing us from signing Hyman but Marner's salary is better value compared to Tavares and Matthews.

Odd how a narrative starts and fans are willing to accept it with out critically questioning the logic....

 

[Racer88]

Have Marner undergo surgery in September and stay on LTIR until the playoffs?

Why…….he has already proven that he can’t get it done in the playoffs

 

[Bluelines]

That's what McDavid did with Chiarelli...Chiarelli offered him more money, but he gave money back to the Oilers because he wanted a better team around him...Point left a HUGE chunk of money on the table for the 3 years he signed on his bridge deal...money that I don't think he could make up on his next deal...Marner is a hometown kid, getting plenty of endorsements, his family is here, and the Leafs is a historic original 6 team...but hey, those things aren't enough that he has to bend over the Leafs too during contract negotiations. Bobrovsky is a great example that players don't take less money in Florida because of taxes...they could take less money for other reasons, like winning for example...some people are just more money hungry than others...I'm sure the difference between $9 million to $10 million won't make someone poor.

McDavid is at $12.5 million... giving money back is relative, at the time he was miles ahead of any other player in the league, it was a massive contract.

 

[Bluelines]

Why…….he has already proven that he can’t get it done in the playoffs

Just because he hasn't in the past does not mean he wont in the future. A player with his skill level will not be a slug in the playoffs for his entire career.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

McDavid is at $12.5 million... giving money back is relative, at the time he was miles ahead of any other player in the league, it was a massive contract.

McDavid accepting anything below the max contract was giving money back.

 

[member 298589]

Matthews 3rd highest paid player, 5th highest scorer (points)
Tavares 5th highest paid player, 25th highest scorer (points)
Marner 7th highest paid player, 4th highest scorer (points)

What I find odd is people are targeting on Marner for his playoff choke with no consideration for his amazing regular season but Matthews has an equally bad playoffs but gets a pass because he had an amazing regular season?

What I find odd is people are saying its Marner's salary that is preventing us from signing Hyman but Marner's salary is better value compared to Tavares and Matthews.

Odd how a narrative starts and fans are willing to accept it with out critically questioning the logic....

If you had watched the series, you would have seen Matthews at least trying to win puck battles, playing the body and going into the corner. You would have also seen Marner intentionally losing puck battles any time he had to bump bodies, and doing little circles and skate-pasts whenever the puck was in contention.

 

[Bluelines]

If you had watched the series, you would have seen Matthews at least trying to win puck battles, playing the body and going into the corner. You would have also seen Marner intentionally losing puck battles any time he had to bump bodies, and doing little circles and skate-pasts whenever the puck was in contention.

I did watch the series and what you are describing didn't happen.

 

[Superstar]

McDavid is at $12.5 million... giving money back is relative, at the time he was miles ahead of any other player in the league, it was a massive contract.

He is clearly the best player in the league...Chiarelli offered him around $13.3 million...he could have demanded for $14 million or sit out, and the Oilers would have really been screwed...he also could have demanded $12.5 million per for only 5 years.

 

[Racer88]

Just because he hasn't in the past does not mean he wont in the future. A player with his skill level will not be a slug in the playoffs for his entire career.

Then maybe they should have waited until he has shown that he can get it done before they caved in and shoveled truck loads of cash at him.
Just curious how many seasons should they give an 11 million dollar soft winger before expecting some results from him…………..
It’s been 3 seasons now and he doesn’t get any better

 

[Bluelines]

McDavid accepting anything below the max contract was giving money back.

OK so with that logic, him giving money back improved the team how?

 

[ruaware41]

Don't worry, we have a 5'7" soft-skilled Russian 6th round draft pick waiting to pick up the slack!

Matthews 6’3
Marchand 5’1

 

[member 298589]

I did watch the series and what you are describing didn't happen.

Not sure what to tell you, then. Maybe that watching it again and watching Marner specifically is a better usage of time than perpetuating such a revisionist history.

 

[darrylsittler27]

This team will be weaker next year and the sheer stupidity of the Tavares and Marner contracts will come to roost. This team was never good enough, next year without big change will be worse.

 

[Bluelines]

Then maybe they should have waited until he has shown that he can get it done before they caved in and shoveled truck loads of cash at him.
Just curious how many seasons should they give an 11 million dollar soft winger before expecting some results from him…………..
It’s been 3 seasons now and he doesn’t get any better

Players don't get paid during the playoffs.
Marner has been among the league leaders for points for the last few seasons.
I get you are passionate about trying to blame someone for Marner's contract but blaming someone for finding good value is an odd concept for me. yes he gets paid a lot but he also is among the leagues elite point producers and good without the puck and good on the PK.

McDavid is considered a value contract but is one dimensional, if he has the puck he is electric, with out the puck he's not a great player. He can't play well in his own end and does not play PK. Marner does everything and is top 5 in scoring.

So rack up crazy points, have one dimension to your game your a great player and he is a great player. Play in all 3 zones in any possible condition and score among the top 4 in the league and your contract is an albatross? What exactly are the Leafs waiting for?

 

[Walshy7]

Sadly walshy I think he's washed up. That knee doesn't seem to want to heal 100% and with his style of play the writing is on the wall. Will he ever play a full 82 games again? I'm not sure.
I will have to take solice in knowing that he has played at a 50 point pace in an 82 game schedule over the last 2 shortened seasons. That's victory enough in my heart and I will still flash out the # whenever I can.
That said who knows what will happen and I will be overjoyed if he's back next year.
So until there is a confirmed with link thread, our bet is still on

yep I hold my hands up I was anti hyman in those first couple of seasons but he really did turn me around awesome player. Having said that he is going to get an atrocious contract and I don’t want the leafs anywhere near it

 

[Bluelines]

Not sure what to tell you, then. Maybe that watching it again and watching Marner specifically is a better usage of time than perpetuating such a revisionist history.

I can say the same for you, clearly you have a strong bias that you can't see past. I guess you are prime example of "people see what they want to see". Cheers.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Matthews 3rd highest paid player, 5th highest scorer (points)
Tavares 5th highest paid player, 25th highest scorer (points)
Marner 7th highest paid player, 4th highest scorer (points)

What I find odd is people are targeting on Marner for his playoff choke with no consideration for his amazing regular season but Matthews has an equally bad playoffs but gets a pass because he had an amazing regular season?

What I find odd is people are saying its Marner's salary that is preventing us from signing Hyman but Marner's salary is better value compared to Tavares and Matthews.

Odd how a narrative starts and fans are willing to accept it with out critically questioning the logic....

I haven't seen that much. What I have seen is people saying that Marner is realistically the only one who could be traded to undo the imbalance in the core. Personally, I think Matthews is also a paycheck player and can't wait for his 5 year sentence in Toronto to be up.

 

[Bluelines]

He is clearly the best player in the league...Chiarelli offered him around $13.3 million...he could have demanded for $14 million or sit out, and the Oilers would have really been screwed...he also could have demanded $12.5 million per for only 5 years.

Based on points he clearly is the best player in the league.

 

[Mickey Marner]

This team is going to miss the playoffs next year.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Just because he hasn't in the past does not mean he wont in the future. A player with his skill level will not be a slug in the playoffs for his entire career.

It's not about skill. The guy plays like a boy in the playoffs. How long till he grows up already? You also don't get that the regular season is just a warmup for the playoffs. I couldn't care less how many points he scored in the regular season. Matthews doesn't get a pass either.

 

[Bluelines]

I haven't seen that much. What I have seen is people saying that Marner is realistically the only one who could be traded to undo the imbalance in the core. Personally, I think Matthews is also a paycheck player and can't wait for his 5 year sentence in Toronto to be up.

Read through the Hyman thread and this thread you will find multiple examples of both.

 

[TMLAM34]

This team is going to miss the playoffs next year.

I wouldn’t be surprised unless we see some major changes.

 

[egd27]

Matthews 3rd highest paid player, 5th highest scorer (points)
Tavares 5th highest paid player, 25th highest scorer (points)
Marner 7th highest paid player, 4th highest scorer (points)

What I find odd is people are targeting on Marner for his playoff choke with no consideration for his amazing regular season but Matthews has an equally bad playoffs but gets a pass because he had an amazing regular season?

What I find odd is people are saying its Marner's salary that is preventing us from signing Hyman but Marner's salary is better value compared to Tavares and Matthews.

Odd how a narrative starts and fans are willing to accept it with out critically questioning the logic....

Matthews is a sacred cow here for another 3 years. After that? We shall see.