Mirtle: End is near for Hyman in Toronto

[al secord]

Go get yours Zach. You've earned it. Go be some other team's Wendel Clarkson.

 

[Brobust]

Brodie and Muzzin are signed to reasonable contracts. Matthews and Marner created a cap crunch, by being overpaid $2-3M collectively.

Matthews is a centre who played on a 60 goal pace and will come in 2nd for the Hart. Marner is an all situations winger on a 100 point pace. They're not sub $10M players. Get a clue.

 

[Atomos2]

So that’s on the GM than? And not an overpaid player?

It’s on both. The Marner camp’s high demands and an easily folding gm. Perfect combination for a brutal cap situation.

 

[egd27]

I have an excellent sense of humor. If I have missed a joke, it is because it was a poor attempt or not at all funny.

Once? Maybe

Multiple times? Less likely

 

[GoonieFace]

you guys talk about bad contracts and then want Hyman who had 1 pt in 7 playoff games, had a pretty decent injury and didnt even look that good returning from said injury? Is this a video game like the older folks say? why invest long term in that?

yeah let’s invest 20 mil in 2 guys that combined for 1 goal in the playoffs

 

[sparxx87]

Matthews is a centre who played on a 60 goal pace and will come in 2nd for the Hart. Marner is an all situations winger on a 100 point pace. They're not sub $10M players. Get a clue.

Nikita Kucherov is much, much better than Mitch Marner and only makes $9.5M.

Paying more money for lesser players than your competition is a losing strategy.

 

[egd27]

The problem with plug and play players is that their output is often a function if who they play with and in what situations. Hyman is an aging depth player and as such, shouldnt be drawing a crazy cap hit into the tail end of his career.

Completely agree about needing to move on from Hyman. I was referring to the post (and others) that mention many other "better" players for excellent value.

I was under the impression that one of the rewards for the heavy investment in analytics was to be able to identify and acquire lower cost, high value players. However, it seems that the outputs are just directing the coaches to maintain an unsuccessful strategy because the puck should be going in more.

 

[shortfuze]

You can blame whoever you want - The bottom line is the team is in Salary Cap hell and the Manager REFUSES to rectify his mistakes and they are doubling down on this LOSER group. Good managers like Good Teams " FIND A WAY "!

I’m not blaming anyone. I’m just not blaming Marner cause they can’t re-sign Hyman.

 

[shortfuze]

It’s on both. The Marner camp’s high demands and an easily folding gm. Perfect combination for a brutal cap situation.

It’s not Marners fault though.

 

[sparxx87]

I’m not blaming anyone. I’m just not blaming Marner cause they can’t re-sign Hyman.

You should be blaming Kyle Dubas. This was his plan, this is how he chose to structure the cap.

4 forwards make all the money and the rest will be revolving doors.

 

[Coachcorner]

Heart and soul guy walks for nothing. Explain to me how things will be better next year again?

This year looks like “peak” Maple Leafs and it gets uglier from here....

Definitely sire. The guy made every line better, those suckas is rare for life.

After this, we should be making some real, I mean treal trades to get us some mo thugs sire. We need hardness. No leaks. Stiffness.

A man like simmonds is key to have back now, same price tag spezza got. 700K, cheap suckas. Then trade for a rinaldo, a real killa. We might even get jt miller through trade, maybe even e.kane or meier. We truly needs some THUGS AND KILLAS. FOR LIFE SIRE. Now after our otha suckas is gone. We the biggest suckas. Dubas ain't dirt. Ruined it for us. Do better, fool.

 

[Stephen]

So that’s on the GM than? And not an overpaid player?

It’s a team sport so successes and failures are going to always be a collaboration between players, coaches and management.

 

[mydnyte]

Nikita Kucherov is much, much better than Mitch Marner and only makes $9.5M.

Paying more money for lesser players than your competition is a losing strategy.

if the Leafs were 18 million over the cap, maybe they would still be playing too, and maybe if Marner signed his contract the same YEAR as Kuch, he'd be making less than Kuch, and maybe if i pooped Unicorns the world would be a better place

 

[Stephen]

Definitely sire. The guy made every line better, those suckas is rare for life.

After this, we should be making some real, I mean treal trades to get us some mo thugs sire. We need hardness. No leaks. Stiffness.

A man like simmonds is key to have back now, same price tag spezza got. 700K, cheap suckas. Then trade for a rinaldo, a real killa. We might even get jt miller through trade, maybe even e.kane or meier. We truly needs some THUGS AND KILLAS. FOR LIFE SIRE. Now after our otha suckas is gone. We the biggest suckas. Dubas ain't dirt. Ruined it for us. Do better, fool.

No problem with bringing any of the veterans back in theory but there’s got to be a strict meritocracy in place. If you’re Thornton and you stink it up, go sit with James Mirtle in the press box.

 

[Mess]

I’m not blaming anyone. I’m just not blaming Marner cause they can’t re-sign Hyman.

Marner's contract is one of the main reasons Leafs can't afford to re-sign Hyman even if they wanted to, because they don't have the available cap space.

they signed marner a few months after they traded marleau

Which makes sense because you had to clear cap room first, before you could sign another player using that new cap space created. So Marleau and Leafs 1st had to go.

If the Leafs cleared out Marner's cap hit first they would have plenty of room for re-sign Hyman, however instead because Marner is staying that means Hyman must go.

The Marner contract continues to pile up casualties as assets go out the door to be able to keep it and remain cap compliant.

 

[Coachcorner]

He's not as big a loss as people think sure you love him at 2.25 million but do you love him at 5-6 million? If You're honest the answer is no especially when you factor in his knee issues and the fact that he's played with Matthews and Marner/ Nylander his whole, is he going to be able to perform the same without players of that caliber on his line?

Even if he does end up in Colorado or Edmonton or Tampa, a place where he would have that caliber of player he still might not have the same chemistry

Zach Hyman is replaceable because Zach Hyman is depth, and no matter how good depth is it is, ALWAYS replaceable that's what makes a depth player a depth player they are ALWAYS replaceable

Yes sisire, and now I'm just waiting to hale and seeing what will they REPLACE him with. See to it. What will they get instead of hy-man? REPLACE that sucka then. Hard. I will wait and see.

 

[Coachcorner]

No problem with bringing any of the veterans back in theory but there’s got to be a strict meritocracy in place. If you’re Thornton and you stink it up, go sit with James Mirtle in the press box.

I can't see them signing joe T anymore sire. He didn't brang any game for us anymore that would have counted. Too bad, one of mi favourite players for life. He is a player coach now. Bringing the energy, nothing more. We gots to get new fools in, some real dogs for life. I hope we get another shark in meier or e.kane. These guys are strong as ox's.

 

[sparxx87]

if the Leafs were 18 million over the cap, maybe they would still be playing too, and maybe if Marner signed his contract the same YEAR as Kuch, he'd be making less than Kuch, and maybe if i pooped Unicorns the world would be a better place

They’ve used LTIR loophole before.. the problem is, while Tampa used good players on the roster and stashed Kucherov, the Leafs did it with Nathan Horton and David Clarkson.

And I don’t care. They’re competing with Tampa. They cannot pay inferior players more money... if Mitch wanted that money he should have been traded as an RFA.

 

[Notsince67]

Completely agree about needing to move on from Hyman. I was referring to the post (and others) that mention many other "better" players for excellent value.

I was under the impression that one of the rewards for the heavy investment in analytics was to be able to identify and acquire lower cost, high value players. However, it seems that the outputs are just directing the coaches to maintain an unsuccessful strategy because the puck should be going in more.

The biggest problem with analytics is it's inability to accurately measure proper behavior when a population changes behavior. By all accounts, the leafs were playing their system down to a tee, which was successful in the regular system but ineffective in the playoffs. The approach of the game is left to the tacticians, not the players. Keefe did not adjust appropriately and the team was left trying to hit a brick wall. If blame is to be assigned, it is a combination of how this team was prepared and adjustments to how it was expected to execute.

 

[sparxx87]

The biggest problem with analytics is it's inability to accurately measure proper behavior when a population changes behavior. By all accounts, the leafs were playing their system down to a tee, which was successful in the regular system but ineffective in the playoffs. The approach of the game is left to the tacticians, not the players. Keefe did not adjust appropriately and the team was left trying to hit a brick wall. If blame is to be assigned, it is a combination of how this team was prepared and adjustments to how it was expected to execute.

That’s fair... but would you also agree the Leafs aren’t built to play dump and chase? Because that’s what the Habs were pressing them to do once they started defending the line.

The Leafs can’t play like that and everyone knows it. Montréal can, Vegas can, NY can, Tampa can

 

[trickster]

The flat cap is really making things difficult. It will probably be our undoing.
It is going to be the factor that makes keeping Hyman and Rielly difficult.

reminds me of the time we bulked up with all those big names only to lose a season to the lockout…

 

[shortfuze]

They’ve used LTIR loophole before.. the problem is, while Tampa used good players on the roster and stashed Kucherov, the Leafs did it with Nathan Horton and David Clarkson.

And I don’t care. They’re competing with Tampa. They cannot pay inferior players more money... if Mitch wanted that money he should have been traded as an RFA.

kucherov makes less because of taxes.

 

[Arzak]

Matthews is a centre who played on a 60 goal pace and will come in 2nd for the Hart. Marner is an all situations winger on a 100 point pace. They're not sub $10M players. Get a clue.

What a joke, he got one top 10 finish playing vs CA only. If all situation is playmaking non shot winger , ok. Plays PK, not good on PK.

 

[Stephen]

I can't see them signing joe T anymore sire. He didn't brang any game for us anymore that would have counted. Too bad, one of mi favourite players for life. He is a player coach now. Bringing the energy, nothing more. We gots to get new fools in, some real dogs for life. I hope we get another shark in meier or e.kane. These guys are strong as ox's.

I hope the don't bring him back because I'm not sure if they can help themselves but if they did, a $700K player shouldn't be that big of a source of outrage if used appropriately (minimally).

 

[sparxx87]

kucherov makes less because of taxes.

Whatever excuse you want to put on it, the reality is that they have a much better player for less money on their salary cap. That’s an advantage. Add in the best defenseman in the league for less than 8, and an elite two-way centre who gets Selke votes on a bridge less than 7.

Real hard to compete. Your excuses mean nothing when it’s time to play the games. That’s what they have, find a way to beat it.