Minnesota Wild General Discussion XIX

[DeagleJenkins]

What do you think Kaprizov would think if Guerin went into this season with the expectation of losing? You think he would be ok with that?

He would 100% demand a trade.

the entire premise of tanking this season is solely on the back of him not being able to play which last i checked he still is not in the country and was denied twice so who knows if he does get back in. Sure its not an easy sell but if you think Kap has no idea that we do not have the C talent to compete with the top teams then he must be blind enough to not see a tank when we are tanking. I do believe he could be sold on 1 down year to try and find that C we desperately need as we cannot trade for it. You sell him on the known that these next 3 seasons we are all but certain to not be able to trade for or sign any names big enough to make an immediate impact. He could very well not like it, hold out and demand a trade. I wouldnt hold it against him. He could also see it, understand it and be alright making 9m this year without expecting to carry the entire team on his back as he will have to do.

 

[MuckOG]

the entire premise of tanking this season is solely on the back of him not being able to play which last i checked he still is not in the country and was denied twice so who knows if he does get back in. Sure its not an easy sell but if you think Kap has no idea that we do not have the C talent to compete with the top teams then he must be blind enough to not see a tank when we are tanking. I do believe he could be sold on 1 down year to try and find that C we desperately need as we cannot trade for it. You sell him on the known that these next 3 seasons we are all but certain to not be able to trade for or sign any names big enough to make an immediate impact. He could very well not like it, hold out and demand a trade. I wouldnt hold it against him. He could also see it, understand it and be alright making 9m this year without expecting to carry the entire team on his back as he will have to do.

The only player in next years draft that could help the Wild next season is Bedard. And even if the Wild finished dead last, they woul still have only an 18.5% chance of selecting him.

You want to blow this team up for those kind of odds?

 

[thestonedkoala]

What do you think Kaprizov would think if Guerin went into this season with the expectation of losing? You think he would be ok with that?

He would 100% demand a trade.

Not all players are like that. Barkov stayed in Florida for a long time.

Also if this team keeps going one and done or barely missing the playoffs year after year, you don't think Kaprizov will get tired of it and go to a team that have the firepower to get beyond the first round?

No one is also saying strip the team. Trading Zuccarello isn't striping the team. Guerin and Fenton have already done a decent job of stripping this team. There are legitimate questions about goaltending and secondary scoring as well as depth at defensemen.

 

[thestonedkoala]

The only player in next years draft that could help the Wild next season is Bedard. And even if the Wild finished dead last, they woul still have only an 18.5% chance of selecting him.

You want to blow this team up for those kind of odds?

Not necessarily, the top 5/10 next year is pretty stacked. Michkov, Fantilli are good prizes as well.

There is some talent in next year's draft that getting a high pick might not hurt at all.

 

[MuckOG]

Not necessarily, the top 5/10 next year is pretty stacked. Michkov, Fantilli are good prizes as well.

There is some talent in next year's draft that getting a high pick might not hurt at all.

None of those players are good enough to put this team over the top NEXT season especially if this roster is blown up to get that player. And this team is too talented even without Kaprizov or Zucc to finish low enough in the standings to draft any of those players

 

[thestonedkoala]

None of those players are good enough to put this team over the top NEXT season especially if this roster is blown up to get that player.

They may be good enough to start pushing the team the next year.

I don't know actually what Minnesota is going to do, because none of the players that Minnesota currently has will make an impact for a few seasons.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

The only player in next years draft that could help the Wild next season is Bedard. And even if the Wild finished dead last, they woul still have only an 18.5% chance of selecting him.

You want to blow this team up for those kind of odds?

not even Bedard will impact NEXT season. Everything we do right now is or at least should be projected to benefit us when the deadcap is gone/severely lowered. I would GLADLY take a top 5 pick in this upcoming seemingly strong C prospect heavy top of the draft as the top 5 projects 4 C to go and at least 2 that i have read look to be game changers. We wont know for years obviously and in our current position that is ok. We cant do anything these next 3 years but get lucky with some of our current prospect development and a lot of lightning in a bottle. Rossi, Lambos, Faber and Wallstedt need to hit for us to stand a slight chance and yet we still need another decent C more than likely. A one year tank isnt meaning we are competing for the cup next year, its simply allowing us to grab that top 5 pick/hopefully 1oa and then get back to competing in the playoffs and hope at the end of the dead cap Bedard is here and ready to rumble.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

There are situations where "blowing it up" probably makes a lot of sense. Chicago is there, Calgary might be, Pittsburgh probably will be in 3 years or so. We aren't. You just know it when you see it.

 

[MuckOG]

not even Bedard will impact NEXT season. Everything we do right now is or at least should be projected to benefit us when the deadcap is gone/severely lowered. I would GLADLY take a top 5 pick in this upcoming seemingly strong C prospect heavy top of the draft as the top 5 projects 4 C to go and at least 2 that i have read look to be game changers. We wont know for years obviously and in our current position that is ok. We cant do anything these next 3 years but get lucky with some of our current prospect development and a lot of lightning in a bottle. Rossi, Lambos, Faber and Wallstedt need to hit for us to stand a slight chance and yet we still need another decent C more than likely. A one year tank isnt meaning we are competing for the cup next year, its simply allowing us to grab that top 5 pick/hopefully 1oa and then get back to competing in the playoffs and hope at the end of the dead cap Bedard is here and ready to rumble.

No chance you could sell Kaprizov on a plan like that. May as well trade him now.

Again, even without Kaprizov and/or Zucarello, this team has too much talent to finish in the bottom 5 of the standings unless half the roster spends a good portion of next season on LTIR. This is all fantasy speculation. Besides, we all know that Guerin would never entertain such a plan.

 

[thestonedkoala]

No chance you could sell Kaprizov on a plan like that. May as well trade him now.

Thank god BG would never consider doing something like that.

How do you know what Kaprizov will think?

Again, what if this team ends up getting bounced out of the 1st round or not even making the playoffs the next few seasons even if they try? Don't you think Kaprizov may go to a team that has more of a chance than the one and done?

 

[Bazeek]

not even Bedard will impact NEXT season. Everything we do right now is or at least should be projected to benefit us when the deadcap is gone/severely lowered. I would GLADLY take a top 5 pick in this upcoming seemingly strong C prospect heavy top of the draft as the top 5 projects 4 C to go and at least 2 that i have read look to be game changers. We wont know for years obviously and in our current position that is ok. We cant do anything these next 3 years but get lucky with some of our current prospect development and a lot of lightning in a bottle. Rossi, Lambos, Faber and Wallstedt need to hit for us to stand a slight chance and yet we still need another decent C more than likely. A one year tank isnt meaning we are competing for the cup next year, its simply allowing us to grab that top 5 pick/hopefully 1oa and then get back to competing in the playoffs and hope at the end of the dead cap Bedard is here and ready to rumble.

The problem is isolating the damage to one season. Teams have bad seasons all the time, but it's usually due to injuries or other black swan type things. And our chances of that going into next season with Fleury-Gustavsson in goal and Rossi replacing Fiala are as good as they've ever been. May as well let it ride.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

The problem is isolating the damage to one season. Teams have bad seasons all the time, but it's usually due to injuries or other black swan type things. And our chances of that going into next season with Fleury-Gustavsson in goal and Rossi replacing Fiala are as good as they've ever been. May as well let it ride.

Also the potential of a TDL Dumba trade (though I would actually bet on him getting extended).

 

[thestonedkoala]

Also I want to add that there is no right way to build a Stanley Cup winner

 

[Bazeek]

Also the potential of a TDL Dumba trade (though I would actually bet on him getting extended).

Yeah, that'd mean hits to goaltending, scoring and the defense all in one off-season. Wouldn't necessarily kill the team, but it'd widen the error bars a lot relative to previous seasons.

 

[Webster]

wow...we have a top duo in the NHL, the Cup is ours next season

 

[Bazeek]

wow...we have a top duo in the NHL, the Cup is ours next season

Was definitely a strong predictor for last year's Cup. Half those teams even won a playoff series.

 

[57special]

There are situations where "blowing it up" probably makes a lot of sense. Chicago is there, Calgary might be, Pittsburgh probably will be in 3 years or so. We aren't. You just know it when you see it.

Like porn.

 

[BagHead]

not even Bedard will impact NEXT season. Everything we do right now is or at least should be projected to benefit us when the deadcap is gone/severely lowered. I would GLADLY take a top 5 pick in this upcoming seemingly strong C prospect heavy top of the draft as the top 5 projects 4 C to go and at least 2 that i have read look to be game changers. We wont know for years obviously and in our current position that is ok. We cant do anything these next 3 years but get lucky with some of our current prospect development and a lot of lightning in a bottle. Rossi, Lambos, Faber and Wallstedt need to hit for us to stand a slight chance and yet we still need another decent C more than likely. A one year tank isnt meaning we are competing for the cup next year, its simply allowing us to grab that top 5 pick/hopefully 1oa and then get back to competing in the playoffs and hope at the end of the dead cap Bedard is here and ready to rumble.

You're making one very large assumption here, and that's that the Wild could return to winning after just one year. More likely it would take a handful of years. Very few teams ever go from top 5 in the league one season, to bottom 5 the next, back to at least a playoff team the season after that. In fact, has that ever happened? I can't think of or find an instance of it. It's a beautiful dream, but I think it's just a dream.

 

[MuckOG]

If Fleury/Gustavsson aren't good, and Boldy+Rossi aren't quite ready for primetime, it'll take care of itself. Maybe not to the top of the draft, but not too far away either.

This is how I look at it. If the Wild are terrible next season, let it happen organically. No need to force it by stripping down the roster.

 

[thestonedkoala]

This is how I look at it. If the Wild are terrible next season, let it happen organically. No need to force it by stripping down the roster.

What do you think of stripping down the roster?

 

[MuckOG]

What do you think of stripping down the roster?

Trading Zuccarello, Foligno, Greenway, et al.

I'm ok with moving Dumba if they don't want to extend him....but I'm pretty sure Guerin will look to re-sign him.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Trading Zuccarello, Foligno, Greenway, et al.

I'm ok with moving Dumba if they don't want to extend him....but I'm pretty sure Guerin will look to re-sign him.

I don't think a lot of fans are asking to trade Greenway or Foligno, but you can't look at the roster and not think there are some big questions about how the team is going to perform this year, especially at goaltending, defense and secondary scoring.

 

[MuckOG]

I don't think a lot of fans are asking to trade Greenway or Foligno, but you can't look at the roster and not think there are some big questions about how the team is going to perform this year, especially at goaltending, defense and secondary scoring.

How about we just let it play out and see what happens?

 

[Webster]

Was definitely a strong predictor for last year's Cup. Half those teams even won a playoff series.

I'm surprised that the Avs don't have a top duo, and except the Wild, all top five are Canadian teams, the Flames even two duos up there.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I'm surprised that the Avs don't have a top duo, and except the Wild, all top five are Canadian teams, the Flames even two duos up there.

Probably has something to do with MacKinnon missing 17 games, and Landeskog missing 31.