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Proposal: MTL-BOS

Garbageyuk said:
I think it’s pretty clear at this point that Newhook is never going to be a full-time center in the NHL. He can fill in there in a pinch when needed, but his game is really not suited to it - he’s not a play driver or distributor, he’s not good defensively, he’s not good at faceoffs, and he just lacks the IQ for the position at the NHL level. He’s a decent middle-six winger, and he plays better on the wing because he isn’t forced to focus on things he isn’t good at.
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I don't know where you've been this season but Newhook played much better hockey this season playing C over his time on the wing.

In fact, its pretty well known and heard over and over. Hard to take you seriously when you say thing like he plays better on the wing.

Bad defensively is deserved, its not by lack of effort, as you said, low IQ/acumen, he isn't the worst either. He is bad at faceoff but its something you can work on and get a few %.

But still after all that he is way way better playing C than winger.
 
Garbageyuk said:
He’d be great as a 2C in MTL. Seems like a lot of Habs fans have this “all or nothing” attitude about the 2C thing where they just unreasonably want another 1C on the 2nd line a la Pittsburgh, Edmonton, and the Washington Cup team (Kuznetsov, Backstrom). That isn’t realistic, and isn’t even necessary, imo. A decent 2C like Zacha would be just fine as long as the rest of the roster was built correctly.
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I would like Zacha a lot. And like you said, we wouldn't have to undress ourselves to get him. He is 2-way C that is really good on the FO. Can log 18-19 minutes per game efficiently.

2 things are important for me about that 2C we would get :

1) He needs to be good enough to make Demidov produce offensively and cover him defensively.

2) He needs to ease Suzuki's task to play against top opposition night in night out.

I think Zacha checks both. And even if he is ending up putting only 50 points a year with us, I'm ok with it if Demidov produces 60-70 pts in his first 2-3 seasons and Suzuki produces 90-100 pts because of him.
 
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Baksfamous112 said:
Are you nuts? There’s no way Zacha is worth that
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Basically this.

Came here expecting the usual one sided offer from a homer fan that turns out could have been written by a homer Bruins fan.

As per the offer the Bruins would take Beck not Logan but it's not going to happen.
 
Yeah I'd aim for a better player even if that means adding assets. Zacha is not a very big upgrade on what we currently have...
 
Benstheman said:
I would like Zacha a lot. And like you said, we wouldn't have to undress ourselves to get him. He is 2-way C that is really good on the FO. Can log 18-19 minutes per game efficiently.

2 things are important for me about that 2C we would get :

1) He needs to be good enough to make Demidov produce offensively and cover him defensively.

2) He needs to ease Suzuki's task to play against top opposition night in night out.

I think Zacha checks both. And even if he is ending up putting only 50 points a year with us, I'm ok with it if Demidov produces 60-70 pts in his first 2-3 seasons and Suzuki produces 90-100 pts because of him.
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Yeah I think this is the level headed post. I just think there might be better options out there for the Habs since Boston is so forward starved they are gonna want a package they can’t refuse (like the OP), and I think the Habs can find better value elsewhere, especially if they sacrifice in age and or AAV value. That being said, rosters can look a lot different after the first few days of July, so who knows.
 
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viceroy said:
It's godawful knowing it goes on for another 4yrs until Kadri is 38 fricking years old. In addition CGY will be expecting assets for that aging player.
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On The Habs he would be 4th in scoring and 2nd in goals. As for age I do not care, contending teams have older guys on them.

As for what Calgary would want, yes I assume they would want an asset or two back. You have to pay for good players. That's how the NHL works.

As for 4 years left on his deal. That's a good thing. It gives The Habs a 2C for 2-3 years and when Hage or Kapanen or whatever C prospect plenty of time to develop and when they are ready he slips to the 3rd line.

The cap is set to skyrocket and they have tons of money coming off the books in the next few years.

Unless we are talking about getting a much better C (which would cost significantly more)...I don't see a down side at all.
 
General Fanager said:
On The Habs he would be 4th in scoring and 2nd in goals. As for age I do not care, contending teams have older guys on them.

As for what Calgary would want, yes I assume they would want an asset or two back. You have to pay for good players. That's how the NHL works.

As for 4 years left on his deal. That's a good thing. It gives The Habs a 2C for 2-3 years and when Hage or Kapanen or whatever C prospect plenty of time to develop and when they are ready he slips to the 3rd line.

The cap is set to skyrocket and they have tons of money coming off the books in the next few years.
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A) Kadri's the same age as David Savard right now.
B) How many NHL'ers still look good at 38?
C) Those are his points as #1C in CGY, in MTL as #2?
D) 7 million AAV on the 3rd line eventually?
E) Cap may not keep growing, recession OTW
 
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wintersej said:
Yeah I think this is the level headed post. I just think there might be better options out there for the Habs since Boston is so forward starved they are gonna want a package they can’t refuse (like the OP), and I think the Habs can find better value elsewhere, especially if they sacrifice in age and or AAV value. That being said, rosters can look a lot different after the first few days of July, so who knows.
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Let’s hear some examples, and what you think they would cost.
 
viceroy said:
A) Kadri's the same age as David Savard right now.
B) How many NHL'ers still look good at 38?
C) Those are his points as #1C in CGY, in MTL as #2?
D) 7 million AAV on the 3rd line eventually?
E) Cap may not keep growing, recession OTW
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Agree with all this. Kadri would be a terrible idea.
 
Baksfamous112 said:
Pretty much everyone but Reinbacher and Demidov
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Hell no. Remember that we are still in a rebuild. In addition to Reinbacher and Demidov, I wouldn’t move Hage, Kapanen, Fowler, Engstrom or Konyushkov either. Wouldn’t trade any young roster players either. The reasons vary, but all pretty much boil down to that the value they’d bring if they pan out, vastly outweighs what we’d get in a trade for them.

Imo, pretty much the only assets with significant value that should be on the table right now should be Beck, Mailloux, Dobes, Primeau, Roy, and the extra 1st and 2nd round picks.

Should easily be able to find a stopgap 2C with some combination of 2 or 3 of these pieces.
 
CrashOut said:
I don't know where you've been this season but Newhook played much better hockey this season playing C over his time on the wing.

In fact, its pretty well known and heard over and over. Hard to take you seriously when you say thing like he plays better on the wing.

Bad defensively is deserved, its not by lack of effort, as you said, low IQ/acumen, he isn't the worst either. He is bad at faceoff but its something you can work on and get a few %.

But still after all that he is way way better playing C than winger.
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Better compared to what? He’s producing right around his career average aside from last season, which seems to be an outlier.

He still sucks defensively, still doesn’t win faceoffs, still is not a good possession player, isn’t good in transition, and can’t finish. He isn’t physical either. Has a muffin of a shot. So tell me how exactly he has been better? He’s a smaller, faster Josh Anderson without the physical element or toughness.

Tell me what about his game is suited for C? He’s about the worst possible player attribute-wise you want to be playing C on your team if you want to go anywhere.

Probably his worst, most fatal flaw though is that he loses the puck so damn much when he tries offensive zone entries, and he tries them a lot. He rips through the neutral zone and loses the puck or gets stripped at the blue line at what seems like 50% of the time, and he’s going so fast that he has no chance to get back or recover.

His speed is actually a detriment more often than not lmao
 
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