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Dr Jan Itor said:
Everything the public knew at the time.

Being able to assume what's going on behind the scenes runs both ways.
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Yes, it does but there's only really been one narrative pushed here. I'm saying that it makes sense as to why they believed they couldn't afford Fiala. There were likely other reasons as well for trading him.

Does it suck we traded him? Sure, but it at least makes sense as to why they would given the reasoning I laid out previously, and the math that DB did.
 
Minnewildsota said:
Yes, it does but there's only really been one narrative pushed here. I'm saying that it makes sense as to why they believed they couldn't afford Fiala. There were likely other reasons as well for trading him.

Does it suck we traded him? Sure, but it at least makes sense as to why they would given the reasoning I laid out previously, and the math that DB did.
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I will concede this.

Will you concede that the math is likely different in the summer of 2019 and/or 2021 versus what it was in the summer of 2022?
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
I will concede this.

Will you concede that the math is likely different in the summer of 2019 and/or 2021 versus what it was in the summer of 2022?
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I will concede that.

As I stated, I believe there were a few reasons to trading Fiala:
1) The assumption was there was going to be a flat cap and "affording" Fiala wasn't really possible.
2) If you sign Fiala, and Boldy to contracts, you don't really have money to afford an opportunity for a high end center. Should the opportunity present itself. Unless you trade away one of said 3 wingers (Kap, Fiala, or Boldy - and we traded away Fiala anyway)
3) There were likely personality differences - whether right or wrong, they were likely there and may have influenced the decision

EDIT: Just thought of 4) Fiala has had a tendency of disappearing in the playoffs. Sure, he helps you get there but is it worth it if he disappears in big games? (rhetorical)
 
There is one skater on this team currently that can fully take over and win a game for us and that’s Kap , nobody else. Fiala could and did do that many times and you can’t replace that no matter how many gritty locker room scrubs you overpay. Guerin should be fired for many reasons but the Fiala situation is so inexcusable it’s going to define his entire management career.
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
This has never been in question.
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That’s all that really matters.

I would have signed Fiala and traded whoever necessary to keep our top 6 wings in tact (Kap-Zucc, Fiala-Boldy). That includes Foligno and Greenway. But I also understand that’s easier said than done in real life.
 
So is Rossi ever gonna get another game at some point? Either here or in Iowa
 
Digitalbooya said:
That’s all that really matters.

I would have signed Fiala and traded whoever necessary to keep our top 6 wings in tact (Kap-Zucc, Fiala-Boldy). That includes Foligno and Greenway. But I also understand that’s easier said than done in real life.
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Like I said, the coaches specifically dean Evason along with Iowa coach are hard asses who prefer specifical player's who are tough and two way instead of Fiala, Beckman player's. It sucks. Dean Evason ran off Fiala. Remember Fiala, Dumba and Talbot all have same agent, probably why Dumba isn't getting resigned
 
No kidding. This 7/11 plan was so dumb. I hope he goes back down and is angry and hungry... give them no logical reason NOT to bring him back up in a couple weeks.

Edit. While I'm a huge Rossi supporter and genuinely do think he's going to figure it out, I'll admit that he didn't really give GMBG much of a reason to keep him up, nor many reasons for Dean to play him. All the same, he has been horrifically utilized for most of his stint this year, which clearly didn't help.
 
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Soldier13Fox said:
No kidding. This 7/11 plan was so dumb. I hope he goes back down and is angry and hungry... give them no logical reason to bring him back up in a couple weeks.

Edit. While I'm a huge Rossi supporter and genuinely do think he's going to figure it out, I'll admit that he didn't really give GMBG much of a reason to keep him up, nor many reasons for Dean to play him. All the same, he has been horrifically utilized for most of his stint this year, which clearly didn't help.
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Kinda where I'm at. Obviously Rossi didn't play well enough to earn the time or opportunity we all wanted for him. At the same time, it's the coach's job to make the best of the roster he's given, and get his players playing well, and he failed Rossi as much as Rossi failed him. Beyond just that, this is arguably the most important prospect we have in the system right now in terms of this organization's future, GM and coach should have had a much better plan for him.
 
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AKL said:
GM and coach should have had a much better plan for him.
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100% this. If their grand plan from the get go, after telling him he made the team, was to put him on the 4th line.... both BG and Evason's tenure here should be in question. So dumb. If they felt like he didn't have a spot on a skilled scoring line at the start of the year (and honestly, maybe he didn't, I can admit that) he should have been in IA from day 1. Ugh, makes me upset just thinking about it.
 
Soldier13Fox said:
100% this. If their grand plan from the get go, after telling him he made the team, was to put him on the 4th line.... both BG and Evason's tenure here should be in question. So dumb. If they felt like he didn't have a spot on a skilled scoring line at the start of the year (and honestly, maybe he didn't, I can admit that) he should have been in IA from day 1. Ugh, makes me upset just thinking about it.
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See, this is probably the problem. Evason probably had a different opinion than Guerin. Evason probably thought that Rossi wasn’t ready based on what he saw in practice/early season. Guerin probably thought that Rossi earned a spot out of camp based on the preseason. Each control their own lever and both pulled their’s the opposite way of the other. Evason finally caved in to Guerin after sitting Rossi and put him up with Boldy. Now Guerin is caving to Evason because, well, Rossi has been abysmal on every line he’s been on.

I’ve got my blame for the Rossi situation on Guerin because I don’t think Rossi was every ready for a top 6 NHL role.
 
Should've been top 6 or nothing to start, and as consistent with the ice time, situations and line mates as they possibly could.

Also one of the reasons I'm not buying into the whole "Guerin doesn't expect to compete and is just paying lip service" crowd.

Digitalbooya said:
See, this is probably the problem. Evason probably had a different opinion than Guerin. Evason probably thought that Rossi wasn’t ready based on what he saw in practice/early season. Guerin probably thought that Rossi earned a spot out of camp based on the preseason. Each control their own lever and both pulled their’s the opposite way of the other. Evason finally caved in to Guerin after sitting Rossi and put him up with Boldy. Now Guerin is caving to Evason because, well, Rossi has been abysmal on every line he’s been on.

I’ve got my blame for the Rossi situation on Guerin because I don’t think Rossi was every ready for a top 6 NHL role.
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So the coach and the GM aren't on the same page regarding one of the more important players in the organization. Not exactly confidence-inspiring for either of them.
 
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Dr Jan Itor said:
So the coach and the GM aren't on the same page regarding one of the more important players in the organization. Not exactly confidence-inspiring for either of them.
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I blame Guerin because based on Rossi's play he isn't NHL quality. I don't trust Guerin at all to make a good decision.
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
Should've been top 6 or nothing to start, and as consistent with the ice time, situations and line mates as they possibly could.
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It still should be whenever he comes back.

Dr Jan Itor said:
Also one of the reasons I'm not buying into the whole "Guerin doesn't expect to compete and is just paying lip service" crowd.
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It's either lip service or incompetence.

Dr Jan Itor said:
So the coach and the GM aren't on the same page regarding one of the more important players in the organization. Not exactly confidence-inspiring for either of them.
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Incompetence it is.
 
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Rossi wasn’t ready. He played slow and hesitantly. He needs to go down and figure things out. When he comes up, he needs to have the hunger that a player like Shaw has, and he needs to be better in just about every respect.

One point in 16 games, when you are supposed to be an offensive player, not a defender or a fighter or physical player, is simply not getting it done.

Oh, and Beckman is a mediocre AHL player right now. He doesn’t deserve a call up.
Not to worry. He is still young.
 
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Oh, and Beckman is a mediocre AHL player right now. He doesn’t deserve a call up.
Not to worry. He is still young.
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In the sense that a call up can be used as either a reward or a measuring stick to see where a player's at, I like the Beckman call up. Gives us a good idea of where his progress is relative to this level. It's more interesting as a fan than calling up a guy like Fogarty who's never gonna be a full timer anyway. I wouldn't be upset if Hunt or O'Rourke got a few games for that same reason, even though I know they're not ready.
 
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AKL said:
In the sense that a call up can be used as either a reward or a measuring stick to see where a player's at, I like the Beckman call up. Gives us a good idea of where his progress is relative to this level. It's more interesting as a fan than calling up a guy like Fogarty who's never gonna be a full timer anyway. I wouldn't be upset if Hunt or O'Rourke got a few games for that same reason, even though I know they're not ready.
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Beckman hasn't looked like anything special in the AHL yet and his point totals don't argue against this either. So if he doesn't look good and isn't producing, I don't think a reward or a measuring stick is quite needed yet. You can see where he is at if you watch the AHL games, and its not worthy yet of a reward. He is still young, lots of time.
 
Another somewhat surprising development is Eriksson Ek's continued development. 49 points last year was a pretty big step with 17 from the PP. This year he's on pace for 66 points with only 19 of those on the PP. He plays defense at a Selke level and is scoring like a legitimate second line center. If he can actually get to 60+ while maintaining the two-way play, that's a legitimate 2C. All of a sudden his 5.25M contract that looked fair last year looks like a steal by Guerin.
 
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