Minnesota Wild General Discussion - 2022-23
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Well dang. I guess that means I need to change my opinion. I can't be agreeing with those 2, now can I?
Spurgeon
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Arthuros
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He's been pretty much the same player as he was for the Ducks. He needs to take a big step forward or he'll be looking for a new home again this offseason.
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Well he's already our top line center between Kaprizov and Zuccarello...not bad.
TaLoN
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- Dec 10, 2012
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Zuccarello with just the one point he didn't do much to earn.
Boldy and Kaprizov with two nice plays on the PP tonight. I wonder what they'd look like together full time. Worth a shot if Zuccarello is gonna continue being a no show.
Boldy and Kaprizov with two nice plays on the PP tonight. I wonder what they'd look like together full time. Worth a shot if Zuccarello is gonna continue being a no show.
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The Kaprizov/Zuccarello tandem failing is more of a factor for me than the chance that Boldy/Greenway succeeds
Not for me. Zucc can't carry a line and is only a positive compliment to Kap or Boldy on the team. Kap and Boldy won't be on a line together for the same reason Kap and Fiala weren't on a line together. It's too easy to beat 1 scoring line teams.
Or in other words Boldy and Kap are better being stuck on an island than Zucc would be.
- Dec 10, 2012
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You need your best scorer scoring at even strength. He is not doing that right now with Zuccarello. It's time to change something. Point blank. I don't really care if Zuccarello can't drive his own line. That's no different than the rest of the guys down the lineup. He does not continue to get special treatment.
Then Zucc will be put with Boldy. It won't be Boldy put with Kap. This coaching staff won't do it (I agree with this). It just makes the team as a whole easier to matchup against and beat.
This is a team that can't really even stack 1 line due to it's lack of centers. It has to be a team where every line needs to contribute with the wings carrying the centers.
I also don't see a Boldy/Kap line being much better than Kap/Zucc is now when there is still a 4th liner playing 1C.
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Sure, try whatever you have to, but understand that nothing is going to change if you don't try Kaprizov and Boldy. It's always going to be those two carrying lesser players on their lines.
Tonight, the bottom six showed up. The top six guys really only produced on the PP. So even if the leftover line is useless, having one line with Boldy and Kaprizov scoring consistently is better than having neither line scoring consistently.
This team can't stack one line because Dean doesn't line match, not because it 100% could never work.
Dr Jan Itor
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Kaprizov - Gaudreau - Reaves
Boldy - Steel - Shaw
Duhaime - Dewar - Zuccarello
GREEF
Let's ride!
Boldy - Steel - Shaw
Duhaime - Dewar - Zuccarello
GREEF
Let's ride!
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Kaprizov-whoever-Boldy
Greenway-whoever-Zuccarello
Duhaime-Eriksson Ek-Foligno
Shaw-Dewar-Reaves
Is 3/4 lines that would be effective in their roles. The only downside is that Zuccarello won't be handed free points anymore.
Boldy had one point in 8 games prior to tonight, so I don't really think the idea that we're better off with Boldy playing on an island hits as hard as some people wish it did.
Al Lagoon
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Watched the hi-lites of the win vs. WPG tonite. Those uniforms make me forget the North Stars ever left. Dallas has perverted the original so much, the Wild should just go with this look, forever.
Tim Young, Craig Hartsburg, and Bobby Smith would be proud.
Tim Young, Craig Hartsburg, and Bobby Smith would be proud.
So Boldy gets handed the free Kap points instead of Zucc? What's the difference? It's not like the Kap line is going to go from 1g/game (which it was the last 5 games) to 2g/game a night 5v5 by swapping Boldy for Zucc. Freddy G (2g), Dumba (1g), Steel (1g), Zucc (1g) were potting the goals while Kap wasn't. Some of that is on Kap just not making his shots, but the line has been working.
The Duhaime/JEE/Foligno line has been working the last few games.
The Kap/Zucc line has been getting their goal per game. The hole in the line is a center spot.
The Dewar/Shaw tandem has been working. The hole in that line was the 3rd FWD.
The Boldy line potted a goal tonight, and played decently for the first time in awhile. Let them try and build on that.
This team had a functional looking FWD group, as a whole, for the 1st time all season.
I want a Greenway/JEE/Boldy 2nd line.
- Dec 10, 2012
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If you actually try Boldy in that spot, and he doesn't pull his weight like Zuccarello isn't right now, then move him back off. I'm not in the business of giving anyone free points, I just want the team to start scoring 5v5 again, consistently. Last year this team was 3rd in the league in 5v5 scoring. This year we're 28th so far. I'm no fool, I know we're not getting back to 3rd, but I don't think it's that weird to wanna be better than 28th, and to be willing to swap Boldy and Zuccarello to see if that helps.
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Do you guys think he's just wrong, or do you think he's actively lying to try to keep the mob off Guerin? I don't know which one would be worse. On one hand, lying is pretty bad but he's probably doing it to protect his in with Guerin. On the other hand it's so easy to look this up yourself to see it's false.
23-24:
Kaprizov(9)-Hartman(1.7)-Zucc(6)
Boldy(6.5)-XXXX-Fiala(7.875)
Greenway(3)-Ek(5.25)-Foligno(3.1)
Dewar(.8)-XXXX-XXXX
Petan(.763)
Brodin(6)-Spurgeon(7.575)
Middleton(2.45)-Goligoski(2)
Merrill(1.2)-Addison(2.5)
XXXX
MAF(3.5)
XXXX
Cap Hit: $69.213
Buyout Cap: $14.744M
Total Cap: $83.957M
Cap Ceiling: $86.5M
Cap Space: $2.543
Positions to fill:
-2C
-4C
-4RW
-7th D
-Backup goalie
That's an average of $0.5086M per position for a 22 man roster
If you remove Zucc for pure cap savings it changes to $1.424M per position needed with 1RW, 2C, 4RW 7th D, backup goalie.
Our prospects would basically have to fill all of the positions. So you'd end up with someone like Beckman opposite of one of Kap/Boldy/Fiala, Rossi at 2C, Hentges at 4C, Fogarty at 4RW, Sustr at 7th D, and Wallstedt at backup. That's a really tight cap with a lot of unseasoned players.
IMO, it seems pretty close to unworkable unless you start trading guys like Greenway, Ek and Foligno and replacing them with Iowa players. This is something I would not recommend doing.
Since you say Russo is either wrong or blatantly lying, how would you make it work?
It's cover for GMBG. Russo also didn't like Fiala, based on how he covered him. Fiala got the Fenton and Nino/Rask trade treatment from Russo. Fiala makes a turnover and pop off a tweet about it, but Kap does the same thing and nothing is said. Or how Russo got angry about people saying Rossi (based on his play) should be sent down this year.
The cap could have been done differently. Just by signing Fiala a year earlier long term ($6.5m was Russo numbers), and not re-signing Goli (keep Kulkov for the season and let him walk next year). Not buyout Suter. There are plenty of alternatives where the cap could have worked.
BagHead
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I agree that it was mathematically possible, but there was always a tradeoff with it. See Digitalbooya's post. I think he does an excellent job explaining why the Wild were screwed either way.
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