Minnesota Wild General Discussion - 2022-23

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I think they have made a choice…..they had career years last year by several players and still didn’t get past the first round. Doubtful that every player could do it again. So let some scoring go, Keep a fan favorite in goal that people will come to watch regardless of how his season goes, Let your other goalie go and replace him with a younger unproven goalie. Add it all up and the team will regress. All of the changes made are 3rd and 4th line guys because that’s all he can change. Besides the cap, there are too many NMC’s. to make any real changes. Basically the only thing to trade is the prospects that they need to keep.

I kind of wonder if they thought last years team would net us some higher picks? Then everyone went nuts…….

The only guys with NMC's on the team are Guerin's guys he gave them to. Spurgeon, Brodin, Fleury, Goligoski. Zuccarello and Dumba have 10 team NTC's.

I don't think NTC's or NMC's are the problem anyway, I think the problem is the roster Guerin constructed isn't as good as he thought it would be. As you and others have pointed out, so many guys had career years last year, I think they thought that was sustainable. I think part of the reason they felt comfortable with letting Fiala go is because they thought guys like Hartman, Gaudreau, Foligno could keep doing what they did in those roles.
 
You should add Rossi to the AHL callup list to make that a correct statement. Steel is also better than Jost (also a roster player).

Rossi is a negative in the o-zone.

The coach doesn't trust his d-zone game. He doesn't PK and late game he's stapled to the bench if MN has a lead. Doesn't play 3v3. He's on a PP that does nothing.

The savior of being a top-10 pick is the only thing he has going for him. There is currently nothing about his game that is NHL quality. He doesn't have the size, speed, puck control, passing, awareness, checking, board play, shot, FOs, and he just passive on the ice.

Every line he's been on worse with him than it is without him.
Biggest thing I’ve notice is he can’t shoot.
 
Dewar and Shaw have been pleasant surprises, and I would bet that they are going to get better, not worse, as time goes on, especially if Duhaime joins with them. My only complaint about Dewar is his FO %. He's got to be better. I really wish that the Wild would consider hiring a FO coach. they have been pretty bad for quite a while.

I'd like to see;

Kap - Gaud/Hart - Zucc
GREEF
Boldy - Rossi - Hartman(yeah, an actual RHS RW!)
Duhaime - Dewar - Shaw

I know some aren't happy with Rossi, but I think he will improve, and playing with a smart, skilled player like Boldy might be just the thing, while have a gritty shooter like Hartman on the RW who can also take a FO wouldn't be the worst thing, either.

I don't really care what happens to Steel and Jost. I don't see anything there....it's amazing that Jost has already played over 350 NHL games.
 
Can't help but think of Jost as a bit of a cautionary tale as to not completely brush off Rossi's struggles.
Just my opinion, but I think Jost was brought to the NHL too early, and didn't get near enough development time in the minors. Rossi's already gotten a lot more time there than Jost ever did, and has been a near PPG player at the minor league level. Also, Jost just outright does not have the tools to be an NHL level offensive contributor, He doesn't shoot hard enough, his speed isn't fast enough, and he's not strong enough. He works hard, but he's just not quite good enough at every other aspect, so I'm not sure more AHL time would have gotten him there.

Don't mistake that for me saying "Rossi is ready". I don't think he is, but I'm not overly worried about him being another Jost. He reminds me a bit of how JEE was brought along. A little too early; lots of development pains; and PPG in the AHL, but low offense in the NHL to the degree that some people were calling him a bust during his first two full seasons. Nobody thinks he's a bust now that he's become this generation's Mike Peca (minus the faceoffs). In other words, it's too early to judge which way he'll go. I think he's got better tools than Jost does already, though.
 
Agreed. Rossi needs more time in the AHL
Not the exact point I was making but I can see that side of things.

Just my opinion, but I think Jost was brought to the NHL too early, and didn't get near enough development time in the minors. Rossi's already gotten a lot more time there than Jost ever did, and has been a near PPG player at the minor league level. Also, Jost just outright does not have the tools to be an NHL level offensive contributor, He doesn't shoot hard enough, his speed isn't fast enough, and he's not strong enough. He works hard, but he's just not quite good enough at every other aspect, so I'm not sure more AHL time would have gotten him there.

Don't mistake that for me saying "Rossi is ready". I don't think he is, but I'm not overly worried about him being another Jost. He reminds me a bit of how JEE was brought along. A little too early; lots of development pains; and PPG in the AHL, but low offense in the NHL to the degree that some people were calling him a bust during his first two full seasons. Nobody thinks he's a bust now that he's become this generation's Mike Peca (minus the faceoffs). In other words, it's too early to judge which way he'll go. I think he's got better tools than Jost does already, though.
I think that some people here might consider this a pretty bang on description of Rossi.
 
Don't mistake that for me saying "Rossi is ready". I don't think he is, but I'm not overly worried about him being another Jost. He reminds me a bit of how JEE was brought along. A little too early; lots of development pains; and PPG in the AHL, but low offense in the NHL to the degree that some people were calling him a bust during his first two full seasons. Nobody thinks he's a bust now that he's become this generation's Mike Peca (minus the faceoffs). In other words, it's too early to judge which way he'll go. I think he's got better tools than Jost does already, though.

I like this because it's less bleak than the alternative.

My take is this:

He's too smart to completely bust. He's too hard working to completely bust. For now, his game is perfectly fine for a bottom six role. He's not a Selke level defender obviously, but when he's out there, he's not making defensive mistake after defensive mistake. He's pretty reliable already, and the reason he doesn't get featured more on defense is because Minnesota simply has better options than the 20 year old rookie. That's not necessarily something to hold against Rossi.

Obviously the offense leaves a lot to be desired, but he didn't really struggle that much last year in the AHL offensively, and frankly, the Iowa team is so uninspiring that I wouldn't expect him to move the needle down there either. I think working with the NHL guys is going to help develop those skills more than working with AHL guys.

There's also a little bit of a confidence issue mixed in. Obviously not scoring for this many games isn't helping that, and every game that passes he's probably questioning himself more and more, just adding to the mental side of it. And no matter how strong your mental fortitude is, when your expectations for yourself are as high as his are, not scoring a goal for 14 games is gonna have an effect on that.

I think from our perspective (the fans) obviously the hopes and expectations were high from us too. Was it fair? I don't know, does fairness really matter in this industry? Probably not. But this franchise has been so starved for an offensive center that we probably weren't prepared for him to struggle this much, and that's shaping our opinions of him to some degree. I mean not every prospect is gonna be Boldy. growing pains do happen a lot.

So I really think if he's able to just get the first goal monkey off his back, he'll start playing more loose (in a good way), and the points will start coming a little faster. But again, I think he's too smart and hard working to bust completely. And when people say he needs to be sent back down to the AHL, I don't agree that it's a need. I don't know what specifically he's going to learn by being down there. I can see an argument where it might help his confidence, or it might help get him playing his game again, but from a skills standpoint, his toolkit is fine for the NHL.
 
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Just my opinion, but I think Jost was brought to the NHL too early, and didn't get near enough development time in the minors. Rossi's already gotten a lot more time there than Jost ever did, and has been a near PPG player at the minor league level. Also, Jost just outright does not have the tools to be an NHL level offensive contributor, He doesn't shoot hard enough, his speed isn't fast enough, and he's not strong enough. He works hard, but he's just not quite good enough at every other aspect, so I'm not sure more AHL time would have gotten him there.

Don't mistake that for me saying "Rossi is ready". I don't think he is, but I'm not overly worried about him being another Jost. He reminds me a bit of how JEE was brought along. A little too early; lots of development pains; and PPG in the AHL, but low offense in the NHL to the degree that some people were calling him a bust during his first two full seasons. Nobody thinks he's a bust now that he's become this generation's Mike Peca (minus the faceoffs). In other words, it's too early to judge which way he'll go. I think he's got better tools than Jost does already, though.

This is how I view Rossi currently. He's not fast enough. His shot is weak. He's not strong enough. The shot and adding strength might come, but those are more offseason things than inseason. The speed is something that doesn't really get better. Lateral quickness, edge work, first 3 steps are things than can help, but players don't really gain more speed.

JEE was a slow developer, but he could at least play the physical, 4th line, grinder role while he figured things out. This type of game is something that is not in Rossi's skillset.
 
I like this because it's less bleak than the alternative.

My take is this:

He's too smart to completely bust. He's too hard working to completely bust. For now, his game is perfectly fine for a bottom six role. He's not a Selke level defender obviously, but when he's out there, he's not making defensive mistake after defensive mistake. He's pretty reliable already, and the reason he doesn't get featured more on defense is because Minnesota simply has better options than the 20 year old rookie. That's not necessarily something to hold against Rossi.

Obviously the offense leaves a lot to be desired, but he didn't really struggle that much last year in the AHL offensively, and frankly, the Iowa team is so uninspiring that I wouldn't expect him to move the needle down there either. I think working with the NHL guys is going to help develop those skills more than working with AHL guys.

There's also a little bit of a confidence issue mixed in. Obviously not scoring for this many games isn't helping that, and every game that passes he's probably questioning himself more and more, just adding to the mental side of it. And no matter how strong your mental fortitude is, when your expectations for yourself are as high as his are, not scoring a goal for 14 games is gonna have an effect on that.

I think from our perspective (the fans) obviously the hopes and expectations were high from us too. Was it fair? I don't know, does fairness really matter in this industry? Probably not. But this franchise has been so starved for an offensive center that we probably weren't prepared for him to struggle this much, and that's shaping our opinions of him to some degree. I mean not every prospect is gonna be Boldy. growing pains do happen a lot.

So I really think if he's able to just get the first goal monkey off his back, he'll start playing more loose (in a good way), and the points will start coming a little faster. But again, I think he's too smart and hard working to bust completely. And when people say he needs to be sent back down to the AHL, I don't agree that it's a need. I don't know what specifically he's going to learn by being down there. I can see an argument where it might help his confidence, or it might help get him playing his game again, but from a skills standpoint, his toolkit is fine for the NHL.
Definite swing and miss as a high first rounder. I hope the kid pans out. Wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been wrong.

Our family enjoyed be becoming Wild episode on Jake Middleton. Didn’t realize he was that last pick in the draft in his draft year. Great story.
 
Also got some laughs listening to the Blues hockey moms talking about the stinking hockey bags during the intermission of the Blues, Av’s game. It was great when our boys went from bantams to high school hockey and kept the stinky stuff in the locker room.
 
Also got some laughs listening to the Blues hockey moms talking about the stinking hockey bags during the intermission of the Blues, Av’s game. It was great when our boys went from bantams to high school hockey and kept the stinky stuff in the locker room.
One does not simply wash their equipment. You wash away all the talent.
 
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If Rossi goes down to the AHL he will have plenty of talent to work with. Walker is looking vg, and Swaney has really improved. Petan looks really good, and hopefully something will click with Beckman . Throw in some decent Dmen, and he'd be fine down there.

I think Rossi's shot is a lot better than what people think. He can shoot it- maybe not like a Beckman, but hard enough. Certainly a better shooter than Granlund was. I do think he is strong enough to survive, and will only get stronger. His speed is not great, but more than anything, i think he is still trying to figure out how to play his puck possession game at the NHL level. In other words, i think his development is more of a mental thing than a physical thing. He is a split second behind on his reads, and in the NHL a split second is the difference between being successful, or not. Maybe he is not hungry enough, either. Some high draft picks take things for granted- he would be smart to see how hard players like Dewar and Shaw work, and also try to soak up something from Zucc, another small, skill player with less than blazing speed.

I would like to see him get a bit more time up here to see if he can adjust. At this point, he is not hurting the team any more than Jost or Steel are, and unlike them, he still is worth investing time in. If the powers that be decide that he would be better off down in the AHL, I'm good with that, also.
 


That's gonna be a little weird to get used to. Some great, iconic players have worn that number here. Brunette, Heatley, Sheppard...
 
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That's gonna be a little weird to get used to. Some great, iconic players have worn that number here. Brunette, Heatley, Sheppard...

I can probably count the periods of Wild hockey I've seen this year on both hands, but it's still pretty cool to see Shaw working his way onto the team. Seems like he's had an uphill climb against injuries for years.
 
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That's gonna be a little weird to get used to. Some great, iconic players have worn that number here. Brunette, Heatley, Sheppard...


Was Rossi ever told to look for a place? I remember the opening roster thing, but don't remember a find a place to live thing.

I can probably count the periods of Wild hockey I've seen this year on both hands, but it's still pretty cool to see Shaw working his way onto the team. Seems like he's had an uphill climb against injuries for years.

You showed up (was getting worried). Tag you're it for GDTs.
 
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Will be McIntyre, as it should be.

We are now entering the Gustavsson era.
Very interesting and alarming too. Worrying for surely. Gustavsson is a fine goalie though, so that is a good road and situation. But the 37 year old fleury getting this type of stuff now.... is not sounding good at all. A new era? We shall definitely see.
 
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