Toggle sidebar

Minnesota Wild General Discussion - 2022-23

  • Work is still on-going to rebuild the site styling and features. Please report any issues you may experience so we can look into it. Click Here for Updates
Status
Not open for further replies.
DeagleJenkins said:
We gained Faber and Ohgren. I was all aboard keeping Fiala at all costs (cutting/trading Dumba and Zucc) and as I move on to the less electric offense we will have these coming years I like to recall one person stating 8m+ invested in wingers with no C is a problem when you have no cap. It is true and it does blow, hopefully BG finds a way to snag Horvat if rumor is true he got low balled pretty badly.
Click to expand...

How are we going to give Horvat 8M if the prevailing theory is that we couldn't afford Fiala?

If you're making the argument that we're better off paying Horvat 8M than paying Fiala 8M, you most likely have a point, but the majority of arguments made regarding Fiala so far are that we couldn't afford him.

We can afford Horvat if we want (and he wants). We could also have afforded Fiala if we wanted.
 
The Rabid One said:
We could have done it for one year, maybe 2. Still no centers and and a very weakened defense.
The math and mental gymnastics can continue any way you guys want. But Fiala is gone, and I for one don't think he really wanted to be here long term anyway.
Click to expand...

Yeah we couldn't have done it for year 3+ after the Zuccarello and Dumba contracts have come off the books and the cap goes up. It would have been really, really difficult to find that extra 2.8M to keep Fiala around.
 
Right, wrong or indifferent, it’s painfully obvious that Guerin could have maneuvered roster/cap space and kept Fiala. And with Dumba’s expiring contract in 2023, he could have had sufficient cap space for Boldy’s next deal.
Bottom line, Guerin didn’t want to spend 7 to 8 million per over x amount of years on all that Fiala is, both on and off the ice.
 
Slotski said:
Right, wrong or indifferent, it’s painfully obvious that Guerin could have maneuvered roster/cap space and kept Fiala. And with Dumba’s expiring contract in 2023, he could have had sufficient cap space for Boldy’s next deal.
Bottom line, Guerin didn’t want to spend 7 to 8 million per over x amount of years on all that Fiala is, both on and off the ice.
Click to expand...

Spot on. We could have afforded Fiala, point blank, not really a debate. Now it's imperative that Guerin builds a better team than the one we had with Fiala, otherwise it's an abject failure.
 
AKL said:
Spot on. We could have afforded Fiala, point blank, not really a debate. Now it's imperative that Guerin builds a better team than the one we had with Fiala, otherwise it's an abject failure.
Click to expand...

All of this and signing Kap to another contract will be the big test.
 
AKL said:
Yeah we couldn't have done it for year 3+ after the Zuccarello and Dumba contracts have come off the books and the cap goes up. It would have been really, really difficult to find that extra 2.8M to keep Fiala around.
Click to expand...
So you want to bank on the cap going up indefinitely? Good plan. We also have to replace Dumba and Zuccarello as well. And again, considering his very contentious negotiations here, what the hell makes you think Fiala really wanted to be here long term or would have taken less than 8 to do so? The contract doesn't just occur because the team has the money.

AKL said:
Spot on. We could have afforded Fiala, point blank, not really a debate. Now it's imperative that Guerin builds a better team than the one we had with Fiala, otherwise it's an abject failure.
Click to expand...
And we're sure if it is, you'll be here to tell us constantly how much of one it is...
 
  • Like
Reactions: grimmel95
AKL said:
How are we going to give Horvat 8M if the prevailing theory is that we couldn't afford Fiala?

If you're making the argument that we're better off paying Horvat 8M than paying Fiala 8M, you most likely have a point, but the majority of arguments made regarding Fiala so far are that we couldn't afford him.

We can afford Horvat if we want (and he wants). We could also have afforded Fiala if we wanted.
Click to expand...
I know we could of afford Fiala this season and only lost minimal depth. after this season i believe Dumba and Zucc would be out the door in the next 2 seasons along with some underwhelming other pieces that needed to be filled with ELC and cheap contracts which i was all for.

The argument that we could not pay Fiala is not one I am making but since he is gone and we do have cap space I very much would want to get Horvat for that Fiala money and go into the coming seasons with a top 6 basically in tact with Ek and Horvat at C and then let our depth be worked out with the remaining cap. The only point i was making about having a lot of money tied up into wingers with no C is that even though i wanted Fiala here i can agree with the notion that all our money in wingers and no C is not the best idea. If it ends up being that we found a way to get Horvat for what Fiala signed for ill be happy as i believe the next 3 years we will have enough ELC options to fill the roster out.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ShortPeter6 and AKL
DeagleJenkins said:
I know we could of afford Fiala this season and only lost minimal depth. after this season i believe Dumba and Zucc would be out the door in the next 2 seasons along with some underwhelming other pieces that needed to be filled with ELC and cheap contracts which i was all for.

The argument that we could not pay Fiala is not one I am making but since he is gone and we do have cap space I very much would want to get Horvat for that Fiala money and go into the coming seasons with a top 6 basically in tact with Ek and Horvat at C and then let our depth be worked out with the remaining cap. The only point i was making about having a lot of money tied up into wingers with no C is that even though i wanted Fiala here i can agree with the notion that all our money in wingers and no C is not the best idea. If it ends up being that we found a way to get Horvat for what Fiala signed for ill be happy as i believe the next 3 years we will have enough ELC options to fill the roster out.
Click to expand...

Yeah I definitely agree that we should be going after Horvat or any other higher end center that becomes available in the next few years. I'm not convinced that a duo of Rossi and Khusnutdinov is gonna get us where we want if they're the top two centers.

As for the point about having money tied up in wingers over centers, I agree in theory, but in practice, we don't have the centers anyway, and my preference would be to have the money tied up in good players, regardless of where they play. If a center were to become available down the line, we could always make moves at that time to get him.
 
AKL said:
Yeah I definitely agree that we should be going after Horvat or any other higher end center that becomes available in the next few years. I'm not convinced that a duo of Rossi and Khusnutdinov is gonna get us where we want if they're the top two centers.

As for the point about having money tied up in wingers over centers, I agree in theory, but in practice, we don't have the centers anyway, and my preference would be to have the money tied up in good players, regardless of where they play. If a center were to become available down the line, we could always make moves at that time to get him.
Click to expand...
I agree in paying the top players. have 2 scoring threats is better than them locking down Kap and forcing others to produce Fiala numbers. Listening to Russos podcast it sounds like BG is possibly trying to do as you say and feast on the teams over the cap right now since we have 5m in cap space and no spot needing to be filled by a FA. I easily could of just been looking into that sentence a bit further than he spoke it but I also agree that Rossi and Kushnutdinov currently cannot be our future at C. If Rossi can really shine a light into what he will be in the future then I could change that mindset. Either way I would want a Horvat on this team right now without looking too far into the future of what may come of our few C prospects.
 
  • Like
Reactions: AKL
DeagleJenkins said:
I agree in paying the top players. have 2 scoring threats is better than them locking down Kap and forcing others to produce Fiala numbers. Listening to Russos podcast it sounds like BG is possibly trying to do as you say and feast on the teams over the cap right now since we have 5m in cap space and no spot needing to be filled by a FA. I easily could of just been looking into that sentence a bit further than he spoke it but I also agree that Rossi and Kushnutdinov currently cannot be our future at C. If Rossi can really shine a light into what he will be in the future then I could change that mindset. Either way I would want a Horvat on this team right now without looking too far into the future of what may come of our few C prospects.
Click to expand...

If Guerin manages to take advantage of a team like that, I'll be one of the first to say well done. That's exactly what he should be doing right now. Fingers crossed.
 
AKL said:
If Guerin manages to take advantage of a team like that, I'll be one of the first to say well done. That's exactly what he should be doing right now. Fingers crossed.
Click to expand...
Agreed, I am in no rush to just spend it however Russo was pointing out teams like Dallas who will be going over the cap very soon and will need to shed cap somehow. Unsure exactly what Bg might be able to swing in a deal with any team but if indeed he wants to weaponize the cap space we have I am intrigued and optimistic what might come of it.
 
Wabit said:
Fiala replaces Jost. Addison and 1 pressbox guy replaces Goli. MN is slightly under the cap.

It's been gone over many times for re-signing Fiala for anything under $8m/yr. It's still the same: Jost and Kulikov traded for whatever, Goli not re-signed, Addison takes the 6D spot, and a 1 man pressbox.
Click to expand...
Walter and Peter Bishop could certainly make that happen by going back in time(I'm currently binging on The Fringe).

Van fans have a low opinion of Horvat's defensive abilities. This is not another JEE. That gives me pause, as he is a good, but not even close to a great offensive player. Certainly doesn't have game breaking talent like Fiala, Kaprizov, and hopefully Boldy in years to come. We would also be paying him as he exits his prime years. He is only a year older than Fiala, but has a LOT more mileage on his body, 10500 minutes vs. Fiala's 6600.

It would be nice to have a guy who wins a FO, but I don't want to pay Horvat 7M, nvm 8m.
 
Last edited:
Training camp started, and a message from Kaprizov: Don't you ever trade my best buddy.

And Zucc finally got rid of some hair.

 
thestonedkoala said:
What about next season when Boldy and Duhaime need contracts, Minnesota has to replace Gaudreau (will Rossi step in?), replace Dumba (will Addison cover that? and Gus is replaced with Wall but that carries another 200K raise.
Click to expand...

Goli never re-signed and Dumba walks.

Boldy is the only important player that needs a contract. The rest are just roster fillers that are a dime a dozen as FAs. The cap is there.

It's all a moot point, Fiala is gone. The rub is that GMBG said he didn't want to trade off a few players to make room for Fiala, then he goes and does that very thing later in the offseason.
 
AKL said:
Do we still get to cry if it continues to be shit without Fiala?

Apparently I'm alone in this, but I'd much rather have Fiala and no centers than no Fiala and no centers.
Click to expand...
You're not alone on it, but if you sign Fiala you guarantee that you can't address the center situation for at least a couple of years, even if an opportunity to do so presents itself. Some of us just prefer the Wild to not tie up so much money in one position when others need addressing. Obviously if we knew for sure that the opportunity would never come to fruition, we'd rather have Fiala than no Fiala, but there's no way to know that ahead of time.
 
Really like Mayfield as a replacement for Dumba next fall. He’d solidify the 3rd pair while providing more size and allow the young LHD compete for the 6th spot. Would allow us to move Addison & Dumba for better fits elsewhere, ideally a Top 6 C or a winger for Boldy & Rossi.

Middleton-Spurgeon
Brodin-Faber
Hunt/ROR/Peart-Mayfield
 
MNRube said:
Really like Mayfield as a replacement for Dumba next fall. He’d solidify the 3rd pair while providing more size and allow the young LHD compete for the 6th spot. Would allow us to move Addison & Dumba for better fits elsewhere, ideally a Top 6 C or a winger for Boldy & Rossi.

Middleton-Spurgeon
Brodin-Faber
Hunt/ROR/Peart-Mayfield
Click to expand...

Goli (NMC) and Merrill are still under contract for next season.

Mayfield doesn't really fit anywhere if you're going to have 2 rookies and Brodin (NMC), Goli (NMC), Merrill, Middleton, and Spurgeon (NMC) as 7 of the d-men next year.
 
Wabit said:
Goli (NMC) and Merrill are still under contract for next season.

Mayfield doesn't really fit anywhere if you're going to have 2 rookies and Brodin (NMC), Goli (NMC), Merrill, Middleton, and Spurgeon (NMC) as 7 of the d-men next year.
Click to expand...
What about this Sustr guy? allegedly very good on the PK and sure has the size.
 
DeagleJenkins said:
What about this Sustr guy? allegedly very good on the PK and sure has the size.
Click to expand...
I remember watching him in college and thinking he was going to be a pretty decent NHLer. He was a decent defender for a really good Lightning team in the mid 2010's, but since then his career seems to have stalled out. I'm hoping he either reaches his old level of play, or does a really great job in Iowa. Obviously, I prefer the former, for his sake and ours.
 
BagHead said:
I remember watching him in college and thinking he was going to be a pretty decent NHLer. He was a decent defender for a really good Lightning team in the mid 2010's, but since then his career seems to have stalled out. I'm hoping he either reaches his old level of play, or does a really great job in Iowa. Obviously, I prefer the former, for his sake and ours.
Click to expand...
i remember the name from years back, but as a bottom pairing pk i dont think he would be worse than what we have and he sure brings size to the lineup. that reach alone should be annoying
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom