OT: MIchigan Sports Thread: UM wins Natty Championship

[jkutswings]

I thought the Lions did good in round 2 but could have had a more impactful round 1 with the picks they had.

I think the Lions completely threw analytics out the window, and it will either be a spectacular success against the odds, or a colossal disaster.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

Lions draft to me just feels like a kid eating a bowl of candy instead of a proper meal.

I think Gibbs/Campbell/Laporta will contribute and people will say, "See, trust in Holmes!" but we'll still bleed in the areas of the field that win you championships and that's what worries me.

Oh well. We've got a really strong roster, I think we'll win games, I'll be on the couch week 1. I'm just not really a believer in this brass' ability to delivery a team that actually inspires fear in the league's elite.

 

[newfy]

I never saw one thing saying some teams had Gibbs over Bijan. Only saw that he was a riser and it was reflected in the 1.5 RB line taken in round 1 set by Vegas.

I thought the Lions did good in round 2 but could have had a more impactful round 1 with the picks they had.

In the week or two leading up to the draft it was starting to leak out there, this is just one example but I read it a few times on top of the obvious stuff about him being a first rounder and huge riser.

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/few-nfl-teams-prefer-jahmyr-gibbs-over-bijan-robinson

Lions draft to me just feels like a kid eating a bowl of candy instead of a proper meal.

I think Gibbs/Campbell/Laporta will contribute and people will say, "See, trust in Holmes!" but we'll still bleed in the areas of the field that win you championships and that's what worries me.

Oh well. We've got a really strong roster, I think we'll win games, I'll be on the couch week 1. I'm just not really a believer in this brass' ability to delivery a team that actually inspires fear in the league's elite.

What areas will the Lions bleed that wins you championships? I mean, it would be nice to pick up a big run stopper nose tackle type to help McNeil when cuts start getting made but thats about it. The O-line is absolutely elite and they have 2 RBs who could go for 1500 total yards, theyre going to control the clock on offense no problem. On D, they have a bunch of young guys but added a big LB in Campbell to help stop the run and completely overhauled the secondary.

Right now, what weakness does the roster actually have? On paper right now its really only at D tackle. Nothing about the roster seems like theyre going to "bleed" in areas that win championships. What areas are you talking about specifically?

 

[jkutswings]

In the week or two leading up to the draft it was starting to leak out there, this is just one example but I read it a few times on top of the obvious stuff about him being a first rounder and huge riser.

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/few-nfl-teams-prefer-jahmyr-gibbs-over-bijan-robinson

What areas will the Lions bleed that wins you championships? I mean, it would be nice to pick up a big run stopper nose tackle type to help McNeil when cuts start getting made but thats about it. The O-line is absolutely elite and they have 2 RBs who could go for 1500 total yards, theyre going to control the clock on offense no problem. On D, they have a bunch of young guys but added a big LB in Campbell to help stop the run and completely overhauled the secondary.

Right now, what weakness does the roster actually have? On paper right now its really only at D tackle. Nothing about the roster seems like theyre going to "bleed" in areas that win championships. What areas are you talking about specifically?

This young defense still has a TON to prove. Detroit isn't going anywhere in the playoffs until they kick it up a couple of notches at both stopping the run and consistently pressuring the quarterback.

Having a great second half of a regular season is one thing. Elevating your game to hang with the contenders week after week in the playoffs is another. They need at least one more pass rusher, if not two, and somebody at DT like you said.

 

[newfy]

This young defense still has a TON to prove. Detroit isn't going anywhere in the playoffs until they kick it up a couple of notches at both stopping the run and consistently pressuring the quarterback.

Having a great second half of a regular season is one thing. Elevating your game to hang with the contenders week after week in the playoffs is another. They need at least one more pass rusher, if not two, and somebody at DT like you said.

Having a great second half of a season with a team as young as they are holds a lot more value to me though. Getting Hutchinson a year older, Houston a year older, Okwara back, Paschal back and drastically improving their secondary is going to improve their pass rush this year.

I still dont see where they "bleed" though like was mentioned before though. In a salary cap league, no team is perfect. I'm not calling the Lions the Chiefs, but theyve won a couple superbowls where they couldnt really run the ball or protect Mahomes that well. Those are areas that you usually need to win.

Like I said, outside of D tackle where is the hole on this team to stop them from competing with anybody? I mean, they hung with Philly last year as a young team with way more holes than they have now.

 

[jkutswings]

Like I said, outside of D tackle where is the hole on this team to stop them from competing with anybody? I mean, they hung with Philly last year as a young team with way more holes than they have now.

A sample size of one meaningless regular season game holds no water. Running the gauntlet of 3-4 playoff games against teams like Philly is a different animal altogether.

They're on the right track, relative to the mess that Holmes inherited. But catching lightning in a bottle hallway through a borderline lost season isn't the same as being one of the better teams in the league night in and night out when the target is already on your back.

I HOPE it was not just a mirage, and all or nearly all of the kids keep playing well. But one step at a time. I don't see enough help for Aiden when the opponents get good enough, and I don't see what started as building from the trenches out getting finished the way it should. But one step at a time there too, I guess.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

What areas will the Lions bleed that wins you championships? I mean, it would be nice to pick up a big run stopper nose tackle type to help McNeil when cuts start getting made but thats about it. The O-line is absolutely elite and they have 2 RBs who could go for 1500 total yards, theyre going to control the clock on offense no problem. On D, they have a bunch of young guys but added a big LB in Campbell to help stop the run and completely overhauled the secondary.

Right now, what weakness does the roster actually have? On paper right now its really only at D tackle. Nothing about the roster seems like theyre going to "bleed" in areas that win championships. What areas are you talking about specifically?

I think the long and short of it for me is that I see QB as the most important indicator of success on offense and pass rush as the most important indicator of success on defense. I don’t *love* our outlook at either position.

I think we’ll be a really good team next year, and you’re never going to plug every hole in one draft. But with the lack of draft day investments on the defensive side of the ball, you’re really really committing to outgunning your way to success. I love our line and I like our weapons, but I just don’t see a Jared Goff offense gunning its way to the Super Bowl over the league’s elite.

The team looks very strong, I’ll be locked in next season. But I’d really have preferred to add a difference maker on the pass rush, and with the 1/2 year deals I’m not thrilled that we didn’t address corner either.

When you go RB, LB, TE 123, you’ve got to seriously hit on those picks. Those are win now picks.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Another piston rookie got cheated lol. Ivey 2nd team while he should’ve been first

 

[FabricDetails]

Wings fans watching the draft lottery be like...

Thankfully he's wearing a cup.

 

[FireBird71]

Tigers have the Number 1 Trade Chip in Baseball….the Tigers could get a haul with his opt out in the off-season….Eduardo Rodriguez

 

[Filppula]

NBA draft…assuming we don’t get pick 1 (cant bring my head around Detroit securing such an elite talent), I really don’t want Brandon Miller. Not even really sure why, just don’t. Would rather trade down.

 

[Konnan511]

NBA draft…assuming we don’t get pick 1 (cant bring my head around Detroit securing such an elite talent), I really don’t want Brandon Miller. Not even really sure why, just don’t. Would rather trade down.

The Pistons have had such high picks the past fistful of years, how can we possibly be so bad still? It makes no sense.

 

[FabricDetails]

The Pistons have had such high picks the past fistful of years, how can we possibly be so bad still? It makes no sense.

They've been tanking with no assets outside of their own picks. Some other teams are going through the same, if not worse.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Big Ben gonna come in clutch tomorrow

 

[FabricDetails]

Big Ben gonna come in clutch tomorrow

Troy Weaver needs to be more clutch than whatever outcome happens tomorrow if they want to be serious about making an improvement like, say, what Orlando did last year. That's how behind they are. If they're going to rely as much on internal development like I suspect then we're probably going to see another lottery year.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

Crossing my fingers…

 

[FabricDetails]

Crossing my fingers…

I'm taking a sick day tomorrow. FFS. Not even Top 3...

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

I f***ing hate draft lotteries dude what the f***ing f***.

 

[Reddwit]

Almost same exact thing happens to the Pistons as happened to the Wings - finish dead last, fall to 4th/5th.

Why are the odds drawn up this way for picks? Finish dead last and end up with a 14% chance to win the 1OA? Bonkers dumb. Should be something like a 40% chance at 1OA if you end up dead last. Falling to 4/5 after a brutal season just adds insult to injury.

 

[ricky0034]

I f***ing hate draft lotteries dude what the f***ing f***.

that was kinda funny to watch in a sad way

9 picks in a row where teams stayed in their spots until it got to 5

 

[FabricDetails]

Almost same exact thing happens to the Pistons as happened to the Wings - finish dead last, fall to 4th/5th.

Why are the odds drawn up this way for picks? Finish dead last and end up with a 14% chance to win the 1OA? Bonkers dumb. Should be something like a 40% chance at 1OA if you end up dead last. Falling to 4/5 after a brutal season just adds insult to injury.

Mitigate tanking.

 

[Reddwit]

The Pistons have had such high picks the past fistful of years, how can we possibly be so bad still? It makes no sense.

2023 - #5
2022 - #5
2021 - #1
2020 - #7
2019 - #15
2018 - none
2017 - #12

They've really only had good picks the past 2-3 years. Hopefully they can build on that.

 

[Reddwit]

Mitigate tanking.

But it doesn't have to be that extreme is my point. A 40% chance at #1 is still a longer shot than not. Not to mention, there are plenty of teams for which becoming/being bad is simply a natural progression. Some team has to finish last - they shouldn't be penalized that badly for sucking. An 85% chance of dropping and dropping far is just dumb.

 

[FabricDetails]

I f***ing hate draft lotteries dude what the f***ing f***.

With the first two pick spots I already had the rationalization that it would be slightly awkward as far as the fit and needing to get rid of a core player. In my heart, I felt at least #3 was coming. F this.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Still gonna be a good team.

Anyway I feel like 3-5 is pretty interchangeable but I haven’t really looked into most of the prospects this year.