OT: MIchigan Sports Thread: UM wins Natty Championship

[jaster]

Wait...you think those are jokes?

 

[FireBird71]

Blake Corum coming back for another season at Michigan…just said so on the Rich Eisen Show

 

[Ezekial]

And that's the second time this year he's done this! Against the Bills, he pushed a practice squad player in street clothes on the sidelines.

It's some baffling stupidity on display.

Definitely beyond stupid, no excuses for such behavior, after learning that he and Swift were teammates/friends it makes a little more sense that emotions would be involved this time. But it's the dumbest thing I've seen on the football field and now I've seen it twice.

I expect Rodgers to retire, I'm pretty indifferent to that though. I could go either way. If he wants to come back I can see next year being more successful than this year without the growing pains. I would also be open to Jordan Love.

Based on what I've heard from other fans I am the minority. Most Packers fans are done with Rodgers. Pretty crazy how his status has dropped among Packers fans.

 

[SoupNazi]

I'm just going to "like" that post to keep you guessing.

 

[jkutswings]

I expect Rodgers to retire, I'm pretty indifferent to that though. I could go either way. If he wants to come back I can see next year being more successful than this year without the growing pains. I would also be open to Jordan Love.

Based on what I've heard from other fans I am the minority. Most Packers fans are done with Rodgers. Pretty crazy how his status has dropped among Packers fans.

I expect Rodgers to play for a different NFL team.

Largely because that would inject more drama than retiring, and maximizing drama seems to be his top priority.

 

[Ezekial]

I expect Rodgers to play for a different NFL team.

Largely because that would inject more drama than retiring, and maximizing drama seems to be his top priority.

I know you're making a cute little joke but I think the exact opposite. I don't think he wants to play for another team.

Although I think it's pretty funny that he made a big deal about that contract and now he might retire before it even takes affect. Bunch of dead cap, thanks Aaron.

 

[Frk It]

Winning at Lambeau with the Packers playoff spot on the line was the final nail in the SOL coffin. I read a tweet today that said 30 of 32 NFL teams would trade their situation for the Lions going forward. I imagine the Chiefs and the Bills are who they were talking about.

I mean... you believe in Jared Goff like that?

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

I mean... you believe in Jared Goff like that?

If you don’t… the Lions have beaucoup picks to move around and get the QB you want.

Goff isn’t the problem. He’s a good QB that you can win with. You don’t have to jettison him immediately.

 

[jaster]

According to ESPN's QB rating (which has been shown to be more telling than the more common "passer rating"), Jared Goff was the 5th best QB in the NFL this year, behind Mahomes, Allen, Tagovailoa, and Hurts. It's certainly not the end-all be-all, and it's not predictive, but the dude took a significant step forward this year, and was way better than I expected him to be.

 

[Frk It]

If you don’t… the Lions have beaucoup picks to move around and get the QB you want.

Goff isn’t the problem. He’s a good QB that you can win with. You don’t have to jettison him immediately.

Well we were talking about a comment suggesting they have a more desirable situation than 95% of the league.

Having a young stud qb trumps everything else. I’d easily rather be the Bengals with Burrow, or Chargers with Herbert, for example.

If the Lions somehow get CJ Stroud, I would be incredibly worried as a fan of another team in the NFC North. I don’t know that they will be able to get high enough in the draft to get one of the top 2 QBs, and I don’t know if they want to go that route anyways.

According to ESPN's QB rating (which has been shown to be more telling than the more common "passer rating"), Jared Goff was the 5th best QB in the NFL this year, behind Mahomes, Allen, Tagovailoa, and Hurts. It's certainly not the end-all be-all, and it's not predictive, but the dude took a significant step forward this year, and was way better than I expected him to be.

I think he was good this year, but is that repeatable? We’ll see.

 

[Stony Curtis]

It has to be really tempting for Brad Holmes to just say "Eff it. Goff's our guy. Let's draft some more elite D." If they can get a couple more difference makers on D, and get the same turnover-free play out of Goff, I like it.

 

[jfrank21]

Sorry, but at this point I'm actually getting a little tired of Goff getting treated like a placeholder by the press and certain fans. Dude just had a really good season, I would argue that it was better than almost any Stafford put up for us (definitely as far as taking care of the ball, Stafford would have thrown 3 or 4 picks in a game like last nights. offense starting slow and being down early on the road in a big game). Goff will never be Brady or Rodgers or Mahommes, but he is good enough. If our Defense wasnt giving up 35 points a game to start the season, we'd be in the playoffs...in the 2nd year of a new staff, new system, new QB and baby faced roster. People and pundits seriously wanted to ditch him for Malik Willis at the draft last year and all I can do is laugh. Do people not remember any of the QB history of this team prior to Stafford?? We can do a hell of a lot worse than Goff.

 

[BSHH]

Lions will learn from '22. Lost 4 games by 4 or less. Did not force a single punt against Seattle. Started 1-6. Dropped the ball in Carolina and left their playoff hopes to the Rams. It still almost happened. Rams blew a lead and Seattle need generous refereeing to turn the tide.

SOL is dead. Lions are winning division next season.

Let's not be(come) overeager with the Lions. If the team continues its improvement, they will be in the playoffs and might finally win in the post-season. I like their ascension very much, I am happy if that continues and rather do not want them to try a leap.

Please excuse me for being a downer here: The Tigers and Red Wings both seemed to be in similar situations like the Lions will be next summer - unfortunately, it did not turn out like we had hoped...

Gruß,
BSHH

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Well we were talking about a comment suggesting they have a more desirable situation than 95% of the league.

Having a young stud qb trumps everything else. I’d easily rather be the Bengals with Burrow, or Chargers with Herbert, for example.

If the Lions somehow get CJ Stroud, I would be incredibly worried as a fan of another team in the NFC North. I don’t know that they will be able to get high enough in the draft to get one of the top 2 QBs, and I don’t know if they want to go that route anyways.


I think he was good this year, but is that repeatable? We’ll see.

If the Lions were to get CJ Stroud, I'd worry about the Lions success hopes. I absolutely hate CJ Stroud as a prospect. More than I've hated basically any OSU QB. He's good if you can give him a clean pocket... like literally any QB on the planet. He's also quite bad when the pressure gets to him. No, no, no, absolutely no. I don't care how good his stats look at OSU. That'll happen when you're literally on the equivalent of an all-pro team against the Browns. Same deal with Dwayne Haskins (RIP). Haskins looked like a world beater in college and ended up being very pedestrian at the NFL level.

OSU QBs flame out at a high rate because they have literally the perfect scenario there and it's almost impossible to tell if they're just slinging the rock because they've got an all-star line and five #1WRs or they're legitimately great. Like last year... Jaxon Smith Njigba, Marvin Harrison Jr., Garrett Wilson, and Chris Olave. That's literally four NFL first round pick level WRs in the same room.

 

[jaster]

The Lions better not draft a QB with their high picks this season, and especially not Stroud. Goff may not be the long, long-term answer, but based on the Lions needs and what's available, now is not the time to be drafting a QB.

 

[Frk It]

If the Lions were to get CJ Stroud, I'd worry about the Lions success hopes. I absolutely hate CJ Stroud as a prospect. More than I've hated basically any OSU QB. He's good if you can give him a clean pocket... like literally any QB on the planet. He's also quite bad when the pressure gets to him. No, no, no, absolutely no. I don't care how good his stats look at OSU. That'll happen when you're literally on the equivalent of an all-pro team against the Browns. Same deal with Dwayne Haskins (RIP). Haskins looked like a world beater in college and ended up being very pedestrian at the NFL level.

OSU QBs flame out at a high rate because they have literally the perfect scenario there and it's almost impossible to tell if they're just slinging the rock because they've got an all-star line and five #1WRs or they're legitimately great. Like last year... Jaxon Smith Njigba, Marvin Harrison Jr., Garrett Wilson, and Chris Olave. That's literally four NFL first round pick level WRs in the same room.

Wow, I am at opposite ends of this one. I like Stroud the best of any these QBs coming out. I don’t think he has any notable flaws. I also think not picking a QB because of what that school produced prior to them is plain stupid.

Joe Burrow had a perfect situation in college. Also went to 2 schools that “don’t produce good nfl QBs”. He’s a pretty decent pro so far.

 

[WesNichols14]

I would rather take another O-lineman than Stroud with a first round pick (please don't do that either). watching him in that Michigan game, he just looked defeated, and I really doubt his mental toughness. The dude has maybe the most talented receiver group in college to make him look like a top talent, but I feel in the NFL he will just end up a mid tier starter who bounces around for a few years. If Fields was in this draft I would take him for sure, but Stroud is no Fields.

 

[Frk It]

I would rather take another O-lineman than Stroud with a first round pick (please don't do that either). watching him in that Michigan game, he just looked defeated, and I really doubt his mental toughness. The dude has maybe the most talented receiver group in college to make him look like a top talent, but I feel in the NFL he will just end up a mid tier starter who bounces around for a few years. If Fields was in this draft I would take him for sure, but Stroud is no Fields.

You watch him in that Georgia game? To see how he responded?

 

[jkutswings]

I like Stroud the best of any these QBs coming out.

But I think this is a weaker QB class. For example, Zach Wilson isn't exactly off to a flying start a couple years into his NFL career, despite being "right up there" at the draft.

I'm told the 2024 class is much stronger, and regardless, Detroit has no ticking clock to pull the trigger this spring at the draft, versus a trade or free agency or just waiting one more year while building other roster facets.

 

[Bondurant]

The Lions better not draft a QB with their high picks this season, and especially not Stroud. Goff may not be the long, long-term answer, but based on the Lions needs and what's available, now is not the time to be drafting a QB.

Cannot see Holmes spending high value on a QB. Goff has shown he can be viable for the duration of his contract. He might look for a back-up but there is no reason to use premium picks on anyone in this draft class.

 

[newfy]

I mean... you believe in Jared Goff like that?

I dont have a crazy amount of faith in Goff but with how he played this year and the way this team is built? Yeah, theyre in a really good position. Goff could have made the pro bowl this year with the year he had.

Would I prefer they have Joe Burrow? Sure, obviously. But Goff is a top 10ish QB and those other teams have their own holes to deal with

 

[Bench]

According to ESPN's QB rating (which has been shown to be more telling than the more common "passer rating"), Jared Goff was the 5th best QB in the NFL this year, behind Mahomes, Allen, Tagovailoa, and Hurts. It's certainly not the end-all be-all, and it's not predictive, but the dude took a significant step forward this year, and was way better than I expected him to be.

I didn't watch Goff all year but I can say definitively when he played the Packers, he outperformed Aaron Rodgers. Not the highest bar this year, but credit to him, he had a great year overall.

 

[Stony Curtis]

I think DC saying yesterday that JG is the "perfect" QB for this system says a lot about how the braintrust feels about him.

 

[BSHH]

I dont have a crazy amount of faith in Goff but with how he played this year and the way this team is built? Yeah, theyre in a really good position. Goff could have made the pro bowl this year with the year he had.

Would I prefer they have Joe Burrow? Sure, obviously. But Goff is a top 10ish QB and those other teams have their own holes to deal with

Mahomes, Allen, Hurts and Burrow are the QBs I would comfortably deem one tier ahead of Goff. I would rank him on a tier with some others (or perhaps only with Herbert and a healthy Stafford, although Brady and Rodgers do have an incredible track record), but certainly ahead of the majority.

Just recently, the salaries for top WRs, OTs or DEs have increased massively. So the Lions don't have to draft a QB because of salary cap considerations, either.

Gruß,
BSHH

 

[Stony Curtis]

Brad Holmes just confirmed that Goff is the guy moving forward. Says they might take a QB a little later in the draft.

Why Detroit Lions are all-in on Jared Goff at QB: 'I never really deemed him as a bridge'

Jared Goff played well enough this season that the Detroit Lions seem unlikely to draft a QB with their two first-round picks

www.freep.com

He's gotta think they're close-ish to causing some real damage, and I agree. I can' believe I just typed that lol.