OT: MIchigan Sports Thread: UM wins Natty Championship

[Bondurant]

Senior Bowl fans? Lions will be up close and personal as one of the NFL coaching staffs in Mobile. My favorite Lions pod discussed all things Senior Bowl with Jim Nagy and interviewed Jerry Jacobs (a Lions star in the making). Entire episode is recommended but I am partial to the Jacobs content which starts around 52:40.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

Sounds like the Harbaugh to NFL steam is picking up, sounds like the Raiders

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

Pistons still need a lot of work, but Cade is starting to come into his own lately.

We should have another top 5ish pick this year, and I wouldn't be surprised to see us trade Jerami Grant for another young piece or two this deadline. Add a couple young pieces around Cade and Bey, flesh out the depth a bit in free agency, I think you see positive steps next year.

 

[FabricDetails]

Pistons still need a lot of work, but Cade is starting to come into his own lately.

We should have another top 5ish pick this year, and I wouldn't be surprised to see us trade Jerami Grant for another young piece or two this deadline. Add a couple young pieces around Cade and Bey, flesh out the depth a bit in free agency, I think you see positive steps next year.

I think we all forgot how they didn't have much money to spend this year because of what's his washed name's contract.

And yeah I'm hoping Chicago gives in and gives up Patrick Williams.

 

[FabricDetails]

How about them foosball playoffs, eh? I certainly didn't imagine that would happen.

 

[newfy]

Staffords Rams putting a beatdown on the Bucs at halftime. Gonna be interesting to see what the narrative about Stafford being part of the problem in Detroit changes to if he knocks off Brady and gets a couple playoff wins his first year out of Detroit

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Staffords Rams putting a beatdown on the Bucs at halftime. Gonna be interesting to see what the narrative about Stafford being part of the problem in Detroit changes to if he knocks off Brady and gets a couple playoff wins his first year out of Detroit

Idiot radio guys all over Detroit in shambles.

"But, but, but... did you see all those pick 6s he threw in the middle of the season?!"

 

[lhsgolf19]

Idiot radio guys all over Detroit in shambles.

"But, but, but... did you see all those pick 6s he threw in the middle of the season?!"

He is Overrated... Dude threw 18 INTs including 4 Pick-6s

 

[raymond23]

Idk why we wouldn't be rooting for Stafford, I definitely am

 

[lhsgolf19]

Idk why we wouldn't be rooting for Stafford, I definitely am

Because I root for the Lions and I want the better draft pick

 

[Hen Kolland]

Staffords Rams putting a beatdown on the Bucs at halftime. Gonna be interesting to see what the narrative about Stafford being part of the problem in Detroit changes to if he knocks off Brady and gets a couple playoff wins his first year out of Detroit

He was part of the problem. This isn’t a game that people should be on their knees for Stafford over. His team has been silent for essentially the entire second half. The Bucs are playing without one of their bookend tackles and 1/3 of their receiving core

 

[Bondurant]

Because I root for the Lions and I want the better draft pick

Splitting hairs with wherever the Rams end at this point. Not going to make or break the Lions draft. Holmes will put the work in and make it count wherever it lands.

Stafford vs Suh on the final play before the spike. Stafford came out on top. Happy for him. He now has more playoff wins than the Lions in the Super Bowl era. Hope he gets his ring. He put up with a lot of garbage football in his years here. Pulling for him.

Love where the Lions are going.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

He was part of the problem. This isn’t a game that people should be on their knees for Stafford over. His team has been silent for essentially the entire second half. The Bucs are playing without one of their bookend tackles and 1/3 of their receiving core

He was part of the problem because he’s not an elite QB in the Rodgers/Brady mould that can win with whatever bullshit you give him?

Matt Stafford was always a really good QB. He was never so good that he could do it himself.

The Lions were a very poorly constructed roster for his entire time here. They also got boned super hard for being as bad as they were from 07-09 to land Calvin, Stafford and Suh. They had to pay 40% of their cap for three guys because they were massive boom picks at the top of the draft. Move it back to after the lockout like the Colts did and you get Andrew Luck for 5 years for about half the guaranteed money the Lions had to pay year one for Stafford.

They did an awful job and the rules didn’t help them out.
I will never understand this fixation on bitching about Matt Stafford. He was a very good player who had some flaws. He wasn’t so good that you could win with him and a bunch of chucklenuts or him and Johnson and a bunch of chucklenuts

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Because I root for the Lions and I want the better draft pick

That ship done sailed my dude.

We are picking in the last four picks of the first round. If he lost today, it would have been the fifth from last probably

 

[newfy]

He was part of the problem. This isn’t a game that people should be on their knees for Stafford over. His team has been silent for essentially the entire second half. The Bucs are playing without one of their bookend tackles and 1/3 of their receiving core

He just completed 74% of his passes for 366 yards, 2 tds and a rushing td including a game winning drive with less than 50 seconds left where he made 2 big time, clutch throws. He did it on the road against Tom Brady and a top 5-10 defense.

If you arent going to give him credit, youre never going to. Make some bullshit excuses for the Bucs but dont mention Stafford was missing his left tackle at all? Interesting

Calling Stafford part of the problem in Detroit makes me really think people dont know anything about football, especially now that he was more playoff wins than the Lions franchise in the superbowl era, and hes not even in his prime anymore

 

[Hen Kolland]

He just completed 74% of his passes for 366 yards, 2 tds and a rushing td including a game winning drive with less than 50 seconds left where he made 2 big time, clutch throws. He did it on the road against Tom Brady and a top 5-10 defense.

If you arent going to give him credit, youre never going to. Make some bullshit excuses for the Bucs but dont mention Stafford was missing his left tackle at all? Interesting

Calling Stafford part of the problem in Detroit makes me really think people dont know anything about football, especially now that he was more playoff wins than the Lions franchise in the superbowl era, and hes not even in his prime anymore

He was part of the f***ing problem. I didn’t say he was THE problem. Or the majority of the problem. He was PART of the problem.

I didn’t mention his LT because I was focused on who he was beating, a team that had their high powered offense completely dashed by lunacy and injury. Cutting the balls off the highest ranked passing offense in the league is a little different than what you’re trying to make seem like an even comparison.

He played a good game. I’m not taking credit away from him for stepping up in the moment. I’m calling out you for trumpeting like Stafford was sent from the heavens and the Lions squandered his entire career. We knew he was better than the results he posted in Detroit, we knew that probably meant he would win playoff games before his time was complete with the Rams. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t part of the problem in Detroit.

If you aren’t part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.

 

[Bench]

He was part of the problem because he’s not an elite QB in the Rodgers/Brady mould that can win with whatever bullshit you give him?

Yeah, about that... Rodgers sucked yesterday. Made himself a huge distraction all year and then chokes in the one game that matters. The game he needed to score a single TD to win because his defense balled out for him.

Yeah, I'm salty. I offer my pain for your enjoyment.

 

[jaster]

Stafford was as much a part of the problem for the Lions as Larkin is for the Wings.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Yeah, about that... Rodgers sucked yesterday. Made himself a huge distraction all year and then chokes in the one game that matters. The game he needed to score a single TD to win because his defense balled out for him.

Yeah, I'm salty. I offer my pain for your enjoyment.

I am the salt master many times over.

But Aaron Rodgers does have a career of having that team competitive year-in, year-out, no matter the trash you funnel there.

It makes me happy to see him implode on a big stage though. I just have no great rooting interest in the games remaining, so I can just appreciate masterpieces when they happen. My god did Josh Allen deserve a better result today. His defense owes him an entire production run of Rolexes for how bad they blew this for him.

Two miracle TD drives leaving 13 seconds on the clock. Mahomes gets them in FG range in 10 secs. Chiefs 25 to Bills 30 or so within 10 seconds.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Stafford was as much a part of the problem for the Lions as Larkin is for the Wings.

Sure, if you ignore how much more impactful a quarterback is than a center in hockey. You’re talking about the general of the team that touches and commands the offense on 50% of the plays.

But if you want to run with that argument, sure let’s do it. Larkin is a problem in the sense that he is good but not good enough to pull a team out of the depths. If the goal is to make and win playoff games, being just “good” is not the same as “good enough”. If you aren’t “good enough” does that not make you part of the problem?

We can get philosophical on this as long as you’d like. At the end of the day, I’ve watched every single game the Lions have played in Stafford’s career and he’s cost them in plenty of big moments. Again, I’ll never say he was bad. He just wasn’t the fix for this team. He’s plenty good enough to be the fix for another team. The organization is still the biggest part of the problem.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Sure, if you ignore how much more impactful a quarterback is than a center in hockey. You’re talking about the general of the team that touches and commands the offense on 50% of the plays.

But if you want to run with that argument, sure let’s do it. Larkin is a problem in the sense that he is good but not good enough to pull a team out of the depths. If the goal is to make and win playoff games, being just “good” is not the same as “good enough”. If you aren’t “good enough” does that not make you part of the problem?

We can get philosophical on this as long as you’d like. At the end of the day, I’ve watched every single game the Lions have played in Stafford’s career and he’s cost them in plenty of big moments. Again, I’ll never say he was bad. He just wasn’t the fix for this team. He’s plenty good enough to be the fix for another team. The organization is still the biggest part of the problem.

Wow, this argument is really dumb. Like really dumb.

If the Lions have had any big moments since 2009... they are because of #9. He's fifth all time in 4th quarter comebacks for wins.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Wow, this argument is really dumb. Like really dumb.

If the Lions have had any big moments since 2009... they are because of #9. He's fifth all time in 4th quarter comebacks for wins.

I’m not saying that he wasn’t responsible for good moments too. He pulled the team up at times but also fell short multiple times. If you don’t recognize that, anything that we discuss is going to be worthless because you can’t be honest with yourself

 

[guinness]

TBF, the Lions aren't winning, with or without Stafford.

As long as the Fords own them...the Lions will Lion. At least the Wings are somewhat competitive (if they can finish 0.500, that's something), and the Tigers, even the Pistons have some flashes.

But the Lions? Why, why, why do people expect anything to happen with them.

 

[izlez]

My mans had the 6th best QR rating & the 4th best QBR while winning 12 games and going to the NFC championship game (at least), all in his first year on a new team, and the haters are still trying to act like they were right?

 

[Hen Kolland]

My mans had the 6th best QR rating & the 4th best QBR while winning 12 games and going to the NFC championship game (at least), all in his first year on a new team, and the haters are still trying to act like they were right?

Haven’t seen anyone hating. Seen a lot of people who can’t comprehend arguments, I’ll add you to the list.

I actually want to see Stafford succeed with an organization that put support around him. All the times we heard about how Stafford needs a run game, Stafford needs more weapons, Stafford needs a defense…well we see what that looks like now. He’s likely playing in the Super Bowl because the Niners offense doesn’t belong. But this is something that was always achievable for him considering his talent level. That doesn’t change the fact that he was still treated like Goldilocks in Detroit. Everything had to be juuuuust right and he couldn’t be held accountable because it never was.