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I'm insanely interested in this Jerami Grant watch. Patrick Williams in Chicago is intriguing. I'm also curious about the Jalen Brunson (from Dallas) idea.
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I'm insanely interested in this Jerami Grant watch. Patrick Williams in Chicago is intriguing. I'm also curious about the Jalen Brunson (from Dallas) idea.
This seems like an understatement, even while you are making it pretty clear they have a ways to go. Not including Grant, who I think we can plan on not being here, we have 2 players that look like they could be starters for a good team. Cade and Saddiq. Everyone else would be better suited as a rotational piece at best.
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Thats the NBA though. Looks like Cade is a star in the making, Bey is a shooter who can start on a good team in a couple years.... they add one more stud someonewhere between Cade and Bey and they'll have a good team
Yeah I mean all teams are going to be dragging some dead weight to a certain extent. But you can’t roll out Stewart as a starting 5 in this league. He’s too undersized to handle the responsibilities of matching up with the classic big men, but not athletic enough to match up with the modern stretch 5s. That’s just an example. There are some options in this draft and we should have a good chance at one.
Although it would pain me to end up with Chet. His build is so off putting. He makes Durant look like he’s overweight.
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Trying to be realistic but not totally devoid of optimism, I would size up the Pistons roster this way (accounting only for pieces who are reasonably young)
Cornerstone pieces: Cade Cunningham
Quality starters: Sadiq Bey
Solid rotation players: Hamidou Diallo, Isaiah Stewart
I would also categorize Jerami Grant as a quality starter and Kelly Olynyk/Trey Lyles as solid rotation players, if you consider guys who are a bit older. Personally I think that Frank Jackson might be a solid rotation scorer, but I'll play it safe here and leave him out. Maybe a guy like Saben Lee, Isaiah Livers, or Killian Hayes can grow to be a rotation player, but they aren't there yet for me.
So to me, you probably need three more quality starters as well as some good rotation guys going forward. Ideally, one of those starters would be another cornerstone piece and close to Cade's level. A potential Jerami Grant trade is important, I think that you've got to get a guy back who can hopefully be a quality starter or is at least a solid rotation guy. I think something gets done this trade deadline, but I honestly don't hate the idea of waiting until after the draft.
Our 1st round pick this year is also pretty vital. I think you're targeting a guy who can at least be a quality starter around Bey's level, and if you can get the guy who can be the #2 to Cade's #1, that would be a big win. I think all four of Smith Jr., Banchero, Holmgren, and Ivey have that upside while also carrying some pretty real warts.
Griffin's money coming off the books will give the Pistons some cap flexibility this summer, and if you deal Grant that would give you even more. But in the modern NBA landscape, I don't think the Pistons are realistically going to attract your top, top free agents. Jerami Grant for example is to me probably pretty close to the ceiling of player that the Pistons can attract in free agency, maybe you can get a guy a notch up from that. But Weaver will definitely have an opportunity to add some solid rotation guys and maybe even a good starter, which could go a long way.
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Got some delayed Christmas gifts from extended family I haven't seen in person in a few months. Got the Larkin Funko Pop and a Seider shirt jersey. Really nice surprise because they've never really gifted like that, haha. Was expecting a hat and gloves from TJ Maxx or something of that nature, which is nice too.
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That was nauseating... I can't believe Lions fans are rooting for the thing that will embarass the team they love the most.
Well when you know that nothing will change, at least a guy that many people came to appreciate and support will have a chance to capitalize.
The team is already embarrassed and didn’t need outside help for that.
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Existing causes our team to be embarrassed. Like the Lions are clearly a joke. If you're a Lions' fan, I think Barrett from FF7 said it best. "I know you got problems... hell, we all do. But you gotta understand that there ain't no gettin' offa this train we're on, till we get to the end of the line."
We went 0-16. We started this season 0-10. You think two weeks of the public shaming us for not doing anything with Stafford is going to register in terms of embarrassment? We have a single playoff win to speak of since Dwight D. Eisenhower was in the White House. Hell, let's be honest, the media will have to actually acknowledge that they played football in Detroit. That's a damn sight better than we've had it for the last decade.
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Strange sentiment. You're worried about the Lions being..... embarrassed? Were you born at night, and also last night?
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The problem I have with it is the likely reaction from Allen Park. Instead of seeing this as, "Hey, the guy who was actually a decent QB, but we wasted 12 years of his career by continuing to be bumbling idiots, just went to the Super Bowl the moment he escaped from this excuse for a franchise."...
It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see an ad in the paper congratulating him, or even a banner at Ford Field.
Now I'm fine with wishing him well. But the Fords tend to deny reality at all costs, so if this leads to any form of acting as if the Lions are PART of a trip to the Super Bowl, then it just makes success here feel all the more hopeless with this family running the show.
May the next two weeks bring an unprecedented level of national criticism to the historical ineptitude of the Lions. And may it finally shake the ivory tower to stop getting in the way of things.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see an ad in the paper congratulating him, or even a banner at Ford Field.
Now I'm fine with wishing him well. But the Fords tend to deny reality at all costs, so if this leads to any form of acting as if the Lions are PART of a trip to the Super Bowl, then it just makes success here feel all the more hopeless with this family running the show.
May the next two weeks bring an unprecedented level of national criticism to the historical ineptitude of the Lions. And may it finally shake the ivory tower to stop getting in the way of things.
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This is it to me in a nutshell. The Lions bring me no joy anymore. I used to have season tickets (Barry’s rookie year until we finally canceled after 2007). During those years, I lived and died with every Lions game. I drank every cup of Kool Aid that was placed before me. Now I’m indifferent to them. I find their new and unique ways to steal defeat from the jaws of victory downright hilarious. I’ll never actively change my allegiance, but I don’t care like I used to. The Lions can’t hurt me anymore.
What I really can’t understand is all the unbridled adoration I’m seeing for Stafford. After a decade + of failure here, why should I be happy he figured it out somewhere else.
I’ll pose this hypothetical as a Wings fan. Let’s say the rumored Yzerman trade went down in the 90’s. Steve leaves Detroit without a cup and a legacy of early playoff exits and post season disappointments.
Then he puts it all together and wins a cup in his new city. I just don’t see the wings fan base falling all over themselves to praise Steve like the Lions fans are to praise Stafford today.
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I respect where you're coming from, but the bolded probably explains the disconnect between different groups of fans.
A large contingent of fans do not view Stafford's performance in Detroit as a failure at all. Perfect? Not by any stretch, but a very good quarterback. Personally I don't think he's "figured it out somewhere else." I think he's always had it figured out, and this is the first opportunity he's had where success is actually viable.
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We’ve seen it happen with Stafford and Verlander, what makes you think it would be different with Yzerman?
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Another clutch game by our boy. And in a W.
Dude's a killer.
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That makes sense…I should have specified “playoff failure”. Overall he’s been the best QB the Lions have ever had. Just zero playoff success.
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Stafford was great with the Loins and played through a tonne of injuries. Hopefully him leaving and taking Brad Holmes team to the superbowl will be a wake up call for Sheila to let Holmes do his thing. She seems a lot better than Willy and Martha, but this should help ensure she doesnt (or by extension, Rod Wood) make any football decisions
Pardon me, but this has become a strange discussion - even more so since I like to read what you think and consider all of you knowledgeable. However, this is not about knowledge, yet about a sentiment of some, which I don't understand.
The Lions were and probably still are not a well-run franchise, to say the least. Their bad reputation makes some ESPN Twitter pawn think he needs to mention it again as his version of a joke and certainly scares off glory hunters as "fans". If one feels the need to call the Lions an embarrassment or a disgrace, then I cannot argue with that person.
But the Rams under McVay are a good team, a regular contender and SB participant with Goff as QB. Since they invested heavily in several stars and dealt for Stafford (who most consider to be better than Goff), they are in the SB again. This is an impressive success, but hardly a miracle.
So at least noone in their right mind can say that the Lions ruined Stafford's career. Why do we, the few people who actually wish the Lions well, have to spin it as a bad thing? Haven't the Lions accumulated enough bad things already?
Stafford played good (perhaps not great) for Detroit and seemed to do a lot for the community with his family. It is not that his individual play had become much better for the Rams, their overall team is just better and therefore much more successful. If Stafford wins the SB, I dosee any detriment for the Lions other than the lowest first-round pick.
By the way, if the Lions some day manage to win a few playoff games, the narrative will change immediately. Just look at the team many like to call Bungles before.
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The Lions were and probably still are not a well-run franchise, to say the least. Their bad reputation makes some ESPN Twitter pawn think he needs to mention it again as his version of a joke and certainly scares off glory hunters as "fans". If one feels the need to call the Lions an embarrassment or a disgrace, then I cannot argue with that person.
But the Rams under McVay are a good team, a regular contender and SB participant with Goff as QB. Since they invested heavily in several stars and dealt for Stafford (who most consider to be better than Goff), they are in the SB again. This is an impressive success, but hardly a miracle.
So at least noone in their right mind can say that the Lions ruined Stafford's career. Why do we, the few people who actually wish the Lions well, have to spin it as a bad thing? Haven't the Lions accumulated enough bad things already?
Stafford played good (perhaps not great) for Detroit and seemed to do a lot for the community with his family. It is not that his individual play had become much better for the Rams, their overall team is just better and therefore much more successful. If Stafford wins the SB, I dosee any detriment for the Lions other than the lowest first-round pick.
By the way, if the Lions some day manage to win a few playoff games, the narrative will change immediately. Just look at the team many like to call Bungles before.
Gruß,
BSHH
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Stafford put in a lot of tough years in Detroit. He asked to be traded to find success instead of enduring a rebuild. He conducted himself with class and kept things behind the scenes unlike another QB in the division that signed a mega deal and then cried because his friends weren't on the team.
Happy to see Stafford play in a Super Bowl. Good for him. Anyone with a half functioning brain can see he was not the problem here. There is nothing embarrassing that leaving the Lions boosted his chances. It was expected.
Which also makes me appreciate Sheila. The SOL mantra is tired and no longer applies. She is directing things radically differently from the way her father ran the team. Finally have stewards in place to build something tangible. Sheila, Holmes, MC/DC and 54 are doing good work.
Not impressed that millennials on Twitter were not alive for the NFC Championship game in the '91 season and running into the Redskins buzzsaw that only lost 2 games but a combined 5 points.
Happy to see Stafford play in a Super Bowl. Good for him. Anyone with a half functioning brain can see he was not the problem here. There is nothing embarrassing that leaving the Lions boosted his chances. It was expected.
Which also makes me appreciate Sheila. The SOL mantra is tired and no longer applies. She is directing things radically differently from the way her father ran the team. Finally have stewards in place to build something tangible. Sheila, Holmes, MC/DC and 54 are doing good work.
Not impressed that millennials on Twitter were not alive for the NFC Championship game in the '91 season and running into the Redskins buzzsaw that only lost 2 games but a combined 5 points.
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Leaving Quinn in place to botch the Okudah pick? Completely mishandling the Calvin situation?
I think the rest of the current front office has a decent chance at success. And despite having a lot to learn as a head coach, the players clearly have bought into Campbell. But Sheila has yet to do anything to convince me that as the owner of a 2.4 billion dollar franchise, she's any less of a clueless trust fund baby than her predecessors.
