Confirmed with Link: Meier, Harrington, 3 prospects, Col's '24 5th to Devils for 2023 1st, Zetterlund, Johanson, Okhotiuk, Mukhamadullin, conditional 2024 1st, '24 7th

[STL Shark]

What are everyone’s thoughts on the conditions for the 2024 1rst? Seems kind of far fetched that we will get that pick from them

Given most of these usually are about advancing to the SCF, this is above average odds of happening. Metro is loaded so it’s a literal coin flip to see who comes through there with the arms race going on.

 

[Frosty415]

I will say, reading the Russian guy’s evaluation of Mukh on the Devil’s board has made me much, much higher on him.

do you have a direct link?

 

[Skeksis25]

With how uninspiring the team has been the last few years, its not like I had developed any kind of serious attachment to Timo Meier. So don't really have any "heartbreak" that he is gone. But the return really doesn't inspire any kind of confidence that Grier or the org has any kind of serious plan other than throwing darts on the board and hoping to get lucky. In a league where so many point per game+ players are popping up, feels like we are filled with third line, maybe second line talent everywhere. Even Eklund isn't supposed to be some 80+ points per year type of prospect is he? Granted, I don't follow prospects as closely as most of you.

I'm just afraid, we are headed towards being the next Coyotes or Senators or something. Bottom feeders for a decade plus with just a random piece here and there to be excited for, but never a team good enough to compete seriously.

 

[Pavelski2112]

Right. Timo fricking Meier at 50% retained went for basically Tanner Jeanot and Mukhamadullin. Tanner Jeanot is a pending UFA with like 15 points all year. Just unbelievable.

Just because the Lightning made an unbelievably stupid move to pick up a player they wanted doesn't mean that SJ was going to get as lucky

 

[Mafoofoo]

With how uninspiring the team has been the last few years, its not like I had developed any kind of serious attachment to Timo Meier. So don't really have any "heartbreak" that he is gone. But the return really doesn't inspire any kind of confidence that Grier or the org has any kind of serious plan other than throwing darts on the board and hoping to get lucky. In a league where so many point per game+ players are popping up, feels like we are filled with third line, maybe second line talent everywhere. Even Eklund isn't supposed to be some 80+ points per year type of prospect is he? Granted, I don't follow prospects as closely as most of you.

I'm just afraid, we are headed towards being the next Coyotes or Senators or something. Bottom feeders for a decade plus with just a random piece here and there to be excited for, but never a team good enough to compete seriously.

But the team will play with a never give up attitude and fight!

As they lose every game 5-2

 

[STL Shark]

Right. Timo fricking Meier at 50% retained went for basically Tanner Jeanot and Mukhamadullin. Tanner Jeanot is a pending UFA with like 15 points all year. Just unbelievable.

Pending RFA making 800k and has 41 points last year. You’re also failing to place any value on Zetterlund and the fact that they won’t see that 1st round pick for 2 years longer than we will. Big swing and a miss on this take all around.

 

[Grinner]

But you have to plan accordingly to be competitive in 4-7 years. I’d love to not waste Eklund’s potential by holding on to players we love who will ultimately not help us when we’re ready but WILL hold us back from getting high end draft picks.

I agree and I only speak for myself.
It's not like Grier's job should be on the line and it looks like they are giving him the helm

 

[Karl Prime]

I think Grier did a pretty decent job here. Nemec was never going to happen for a RFA, and neither was Mercer, Casey, or maybe even Holtz (though I'm starting to think Muk may have a brighter future than Holtz, but we'll see). I find it funny the Devils protected the '23 1st top two as it would take a miracle for NJ not to make the playoffs right now. They are the 3rd best team in the league right now so it's certainly possible they make the ECF one of the next two seasons to give them another 1st. I think I want them to make the ECF this season to guarantee the 24 1st and then maybe NJD have a worse season next year and they could draft 17-24 range, or maybe even miss the playoffs and get 11-16, but I doubt they will unless injuries ravage them.

There's a lot of young talent under 24 to follow in this organization now - Eklund, Muk, Zetterlund, Bystedt, Bordeleau, Gushchin, Robins, Kaut, Okhotiuk, Lund, and a probable top 5 pick. Not too bad. Of course the building of the talent pool is the simple part when you're dealing away guys like Meier and Karlsson. How the team is built when some of these young guys come up and how he fits veterans around them will be the interesting part.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

do you have a direct link?

Prospect Info: - Shakir Mukhamadullin (#20 pick - 2020 draft)

He didn`t. We have 3 picks in the night. He didn`t make a pause when he could. And they didn`t focused on Schneider, they focused on Amirov. And Shakir was his partner. And Schneider isn`t typical Fitz defenseman. May be they had him over Shakir in their list, but there were clearly no alarms...

forums.hfboards.com

The poster's name is Guadana and he posts video too.

 

[Grinner]

I think Grier did a pretty decent job here. Nemec was never going to happen for a RFA, and neither was Mercer, Casey, or maybe even Holtz (though I'm starting to think Muk may have a brighter future than Holtz, but we'll see). I find it funny the Devils protected the '23 1st top two as it would take a miracle for NJ not to make the playoffs right now. They are the 3rd best team in the league right now so it's certainly possible they make the ECF one of the next two seasons to give them another 1st. I think I want them to make the ECF this season to guarantee the 24 1st and then maybe NJD have a worse season next year and they could draft 17-24 range, or maybe even miss the playoffs and get 11-16, but I doubt they will unless injuries ravage them.

There's a lot of young talent under 24 to follow in this organization now - Eklund, Muk, Zetterlund, Bystedt, Bordeleau, Gushchin, Robins, Kaut, Okhotiuk, Lund, and a probable top 5 pick. Not too bad. Of course the building of the talent pool is the simple part when you're dealing away guys like Meier and Karlsson. How the team is built when some of these young guys come up and how he fits veterans around them will be the interesting part.

I read often that Holtz isn't a good fit for what the Devils are doing.
Seeing how we are also looking to play a faster game I wonder how high Holtz was in Griers eyes

 

[Juxtaposer]

Pending RFA making 800k and has 41 points last year. You’re also failing to place any value on Zetterlund and the fact that they won’t see that 1st round pick for 2 years longer than we will. Big swing and a miss on this take all around.

I don’t place any value on Zetterlund because he does nothing to help our future. And, hot take, I’d rather have Tampa’s 1st in two years, when they may have slowed down, than New Jersey’s 1st this year, which is all but guaranteed to be 27th overall.

 

[Jargon]

I don’t place any value on Zetterlund because he does nothing to help our future. And, hot take, I’d rather have Tampa’s 1st in two years, when they may have slowed down, than New Jersey’s 1st this year, which is all but guaranteed to be 27th overall.

I do think Grier is fairly intent on moving that pick to get a higher one. He sort of said as much. I imagine he’s going to be amassing picks still.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I do think Grier is fairly intent on moving that pick to get a higher one. He sort of said as much. I imagine he’s going to be amassing picks still.

There’s no point in moving up from 27th. In my personal opinion, the quality of player you’ll get at 27th in this draft is almost identical to the player you’ll get at 15th overall.

 

[Mafoofoo]

Also why did we have to send a 5th round pick? I mean yeah it’s a 5th round pick but still.

I see Zetterlund getting the Adam Burish/Kunin over pay cuz he’s Griers dude.

 

[Levie]

I do think Grier is fairly intent on moving that pick to get a higher one. He sort of said as much. I imagine he’s going to be amassing picks still.

I sure hope not. Trading up for draft position is usually never a good idea. Quantity is always better than moving up.

 

[Karl Prime]

Looking at that Tampa Bay/Nashville trade...this return looks a little underwhelming.

I would rather have Muk than Foote. Rather have the 23 1st than the 25 1st (which won't be top 10 in case Tampa crashes). Rather have Zetterlund than a 23 3rd who might become as good as Zetterlund. 24 2nd is the same but Sharks have a chance at a 1st with it. Other than that we're talking about the differences between a 4th and a 5th vs Okhotiuk.

 

[themelkman]

Also why did we have to send a 5th round pick? I mean yeah it’s a 5th round pick but still.

I see Zetterlund getting the Adam Burish/Kunin over pay cuz he’s Griers dude.

Im thinking 4x4. Ironically Zetterlund would probably be worth the Kunin deal

 

[one2gamble]

All I'm going to say is I would give that up in a heartbeat for a player of timos caliber and so would everyone else.

 

[Mafoofoo]

Most draft picks as much as we hope don’t always pan out and New Jerseys 1rsts are basically high 2nds and the 2nd is more like a high 3rd round pick.

Zetterlund and Johanson don’t really help the teams future

Muk looks decent but then again he’s not a blue chip prospect

Ok from what I’m seeing is more like a lower pairing defenseman


So outside of the 7th round pick (Joe Pavelski 2.0) I guess it looks like a whole bunch of meh and ehhh maybe for Timo.

 

[Michoulicious]

That is a baaaaaad return.

 

[OrrNumber4]

I would rather have Muk than Foote. Rather have the 23 1st than the 25 1st (which won't be top 10 in case Tampa crashes). Rather have Zetterlund than a 23 3rd who might become as good as Zetterlund. 24 2nd is the same but Sharks have a chance at a 1st with it. Other than that we're talking about the differences between a 4th and a 5th vs Okhotiuk.

Yes, and I'd much, much, much, much, much, much, MUCH rather have a player like Meier over one like Jeannot.

 

[Karl Prime]

Yes, and I'd much, much, much, much, much, much, MUCH rather have a player like Meier over one like Jeannot.

Tampa already has their high end pieces, and were willing to give up a lot for a guy who is more and more of a dying breed these days. We know they don't mind spending for a good bottom 6 guy if he fills a need for them. And he's a RFA, and I'm guessing he signs for a pretty good number with them.

 

[racamdim]

Anybody whining about this trade IMO really doesn't understand two critical things:

1. Stars NEVER return what the fans of the trading team think they are worth. Ever.

2. Everyone just needs to be patient, since the value the Sharks got will take some time to play out. And that value is also substantially in the hands of the Sharks organization and scouts.

Case in point: the Devils traded reigning league MVP Taylor Hall for a package that most Devils fans thought was pathetic: Kevin Bahl, Nick Merkley, Nate Schnarr, a 1st Round Pick, and a 3rd Round Pick. Devils fans sounded a lot like this board, claiming that Shero had spit the bit just like Grier is accused of here.

But look at the return now: first, Fitzgerald in a complete steal flipped the AZ third to Washington for Siegenthaler, who is an underrated stud. And what did the AZ first (which was artificially lower than it would otherwise have been because of the whole bubble play-in fiasco) become? One Dawson Mercer.

Be patient. Grier did a good job under the circumstances.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Anybody whining about this trade IMO really doesn't understand two critical things:

1. Stars NEVER return what the fans of the trading team think they are worth. Ever.

2. Everyone just needs to be patient, since the value the Sharks got will take some time to play out. And that value is also substantially in the hands of the Sharks organization and scouts.

Case in point: the Devils traded reigning league MVP Taylor Hall for a package that most Devils fans thought was pathetic: Kevin Bahl, Nick Merkley, Nate Schnarr, a 1st Round Pick, and a 3rd Round Pick. Devils fans sounded a lot like this board, claiming that Shero had spit the bit just like Grier is accused of here.

But look at the return now: first, Fitzgerald in a complete steal flipped the AZ third to Washington for Siegenthaler, who is an underrated stud. And what did the AZ first (which was artificially lower than it would otherwise have been because of the whole bubble play-in fiasco) become? One Dawson Mercer.

Be patient. Grier did a good job under the circumstances.

I think I can agree; a lot of how we view this trade will be on how the prospects/players Grier picked up work out. If Mukhamadullin turns into a top-4 D, Zetterlund is a consistent top-6 threat, and the Sharks draft well with the picks they get, then it'll be seen as a win.

This is a take that may age poorly, but I also think Meier is practically exiting his prime right now. I don't think he's a player you want locked-up long-term.

 

[Mafoofoo]

Is there some reason New Jersey fans feel compelled to come into the Sharks forum to tell us how to feel while going “seriously you guys it’s an amazing deal for you! Wow oh wow did you guys do amazing! Multiple spare parts for a star forward? Y’all should be celebrating like us!”

Go celebrate in your board and let us be