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Proposal: CAR-PIT-WSH
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Empoleon8771
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Immediate reaction is that Carolina gets hosed, the Penguins get far too much for Karlsson and Washington gets Rantanen for way too cheap.
Actually I may retract that about Washington, I didn't realize McMichael was having such a good year. Still though, take some of the assets going to Pittsburgh and give them to Carolina at minimum.
It's super unrealistic but I'd simplify it to:
-Hurricanes get Karlsson at $6 million, McMichael and a 2026 1st from Washington
-Penguins get Burns and a 2025 1st from Washington
-Capitals get Rantanen
I think Washington may need to throw on some more assets to Carolina, but I'm not sure what exactly that would be.
Actually I may retract that about Washington, I didn't realize McMichael was having such a good year. Still though, take some of the assets going to Pittsburgh and give them to Carolina at minimum.
It's super unrealistic but I'd simplify it to:
-Hurricanes get Karlsson at $6 million, McMichael and a 2026 1st from Washington
-Penguins get Burns and a 2025 1st from Washington
-Capitals get Rantanen
I think Washington may need to throw on some more assets to Carolina, but I'm not sure what exactly that would be.
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I don't care about the 1st, 2nd or Lapierre but I'm not happy with giving up CMM for a rental in Rantanen. if we have some guarantee he will sign 8x13m. Okay sure.
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This is confusing but on first glance I hate it for Carolina
I hope the Canes have zero interest in EK. Like..."wouldn't claim him off waivers" non-interest.
Otherwise, I still don't like it for Carolina.
Otherwise, I still don't like it for Carolina.
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That's fair, I initially had the 1st just staying with Carolina and Lapierre and the 2nd going to PIT but then it seemed like Pittsburgh wasn't getting enough -- I really have no idea how to handicap a Karlsson return. Definitely fudge with the picks until everyone is happy enough.
McMichael would be the real prize for Carolina IMO. They're not getting a Necas level guy back in any deal, so their best hope would be a young guy in that next tier -- McMichael, Knies, Lundell, maybe Stankoven.
I actually don’t think it’s bad for the Canes. The only reason they even entertain trading Rantanen is if they know they aren’t signing him, so getting CMM and Karlsson and a 1st seems pretty good.
Karlsson fills a need for them, and I think any canes fan hating the trade is undervaluing CMM that kid is awesome.
Washington won’t trade him plus more assets for a rental in Rantanen, but if they can work out a long term deal maybe it is fair.
Pittsburgh makes out here, but we literally just saw Jones get dealt for more than he should have so I don’t think it’s like totally unrealistic. Karlsson at 6M is a good asset, despite what haters on this site will say.
Karlsson fills a need for them, and I think any canes fan hating the trade is undervaluing CMM that kid is awesome.
Washington won’t trade him plus more assets for a rental in Rantanen, but if they can work out a long term deal maybe it is fair.
Pittsburgh makes out here, but we literally just saw Jones get dealt for more than he should have so I don’t think it’s like totally unrealistic. Karlsson at 6M is a good asset, despite what haters on this site will say.
On Washington's end, I'll give up draft picks and Lapierre, and Bear (insignificant) and add another solid prospect but am not giving up McMichael and would need guarantee Rantanen signs for minimum 6 years. Don't need 8 years.
Penguins don't get Burns and a first for Karlson. They get to get rid of Karlson. They should pay for that.
Dubus is worthless! Good luck with him.
Dubus is worthless! Good luck with him.
GIN ANTONIC
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The thing is, if the Canes wanted Karlsson it's likely they could get him quite cheap. Just like when they got Burns from SJ a few years ago. That really makes more sense as an offseason deal.
I just think there's too many moving parts on this one and I don't think Rantanen gets moved in something so convoluted
This is really the internal dispute for Canes fans: do we need a top-pair defenseman to replace Burns next to Slavin?
I'd argue we need one about as much as we need a heart attack. If we add a RHD, it should be a defensive one to pair with Slavin on a shutdown pair and eating tough minutes to allow us to ease Nikishin and Morrow into the NHL in sheltered minutes. Going out and getting a guy like EK telegraphs to the kids we don't have a lot of confidence in them.
Empoleon8771
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Why does Seth Jones with 5 years left at $7 million bring back Knight and a 1st while Karlsson would cost the Penguins assets to move with 2 years left at $6 million?
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If you asked me today if I'd rather have a Karlsson at 7 or Seth Jones at 7. Give me Karlsson.
Karlsson is not a negative asset if less on the cap.
Mmh no. But maybe… add in 4th team!! Thats should always make it easier!!
CAR;
Rakell
Nelson
PENS;
Lapierre
Caps 2nd ’25
Islanders 4th
CAPS;
Rantanen
ISLANDERS;
Caps 1st ’25
Sonny Milano
Canes
Rantanen <-> Rakell + Nelson
Pens
Rakell <-> Lapierre, 2nd + 4th
Caps
1st, Lapierre, 2nd <-> Rantanen
Isles
Nelson <-> 1st + Milano
Mmh… not sure. Maybe need to add another team in the mix.
CAR;
Rakell
Nelson
PENS;
Lapierre
Caps 2nd ’25
Islanders 4th
CAPS;
Rantanen
ISLANDERS;
Caps 1st ’25
Sonny Milano
Canes
Rantanen <-> Rakell + Nelson
Pens
Rakell <-> Lapierre, 2nd + 4th
Caps
1st, Lapierre, 2nd <-> Rantanen
Isles
Nelson <-> 1st + Milano
Mmh… not sure. Maybe need to add another team in the mix.
2x 1st + McMichael for rental who will not sign before summer, and still ”propably adding”?
Nnah, Caps quietly leave the room.
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What's funny to me is, as a Hurricanes fan, the most objectionable part is swapping out Burns for Karlsson. Not because I think Burns is better-he's been rough this year, as expected of a guy on the cusp of 40- but I don't think Karlsson is that much better to risk messing up the chemistry between Burns and Slavin. Devil you know, innint? I'd love to see the team get Karlsson though, their powerplay has been atrocious (playoff form in January, baby!), but as a 2nd/3rd pairing guy.
I'm assuming this happens because Rantanen told them he was going to the market. I'd prefer to keep him for the playoff run, but fair if you want to get some value back, though I personally don't hold much weight to looking good for other GM's, they all think Tulsky is Tom Dundon's puppet anyway, and they may not be far off the mark. And Connor McMichael could give the Hurricanes a 2nd line punch they haven't had since Trocheck left, they desperately need a guy behind Aho.
I'm assuming this happens because Rantanen told them he was going to the market. I'd prefer to keep him for the playoff run, but fair if you want to get some value back, though I personally don't hold much weight to looking good for other GM's, they all think Tulsky is Tom Dundon's puppet anyway, and they may not be far off the mark. And Connor McMichael could give the Hurricanes a 2nd line punch they haven't had since Trocheck left, they desperately need a guy behind Aho.
I didn't say the Seth Jones trade was good. I wouldn't have done that if I were Florida.
Empoleon8771
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What you think doesn't matter if that's what the trade markets determines.
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Canes fan perspective, no to EK and in a trade with Washington I would want Protas not McMichael as one of the main pieces. But odds of Rantanen winding up in Washington are about zero anyways.
We can do optional trade.
You get Protas but,
If Rantanen doesnt re-sign with us you have to send him back and you get McMichael instead.
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