Media Availability - End Of Season (2022)

[Racer88]

I don’t get it why some are so afraid to move on from any one of the core players.
obviously because we have them no other team has any of these 4 and yet many other teams over the last 6 years have had way more success then we have. Why is it so mandatory to have all of Matthews, Marner, Tavares and Nylander. How do the other teams build good teams without these 4 players.
the bottom line is we and management tent to over value players way to often.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I love Jack Campbell’s personality. He seems like a great team guy and is a good, maybe above average, goalie.

We are also not winning a Cup with him.

You're probably right, never know though, goalies are voodoo and so on but yeah, doesn't look likely at this point. I was pretty high on him after last season but with these playoffs his stock has gone down, no two ways about it.

I'd be Ok with bringing him back only if the price was right, and most importantly if we simply can not come up with a better option. And we better be able to come up with something better because this is such a damn good team that's poised to win it all IMO.

Most people are bitching and moaning and want to fire everyone but the truth is, we came within an inch of taking out the back to back defending champs despite our goalie putting up a .897 SV%.

Give this team a quality #1 and we're one of the top favourites going into next season, period.

 

[Kelly]

No, the quality of prospect is based on their ceiling and the probability of achieving that ceiling (or close to that level). Its why there are farm system/prospect rankings and not just a list that says each team has x amount of players not currently in the NHL...…therefore all teams have the same potential.

Shane Wright might be a #1 Center.....Seymon Der-Arguchintsev might be a #1 Center. If you had Shane Wright.....are you telling me you see them as the same prospect value?

Yes I understand that. I guess I misread and thought you asked if we had any prospects with that sort of potential.

I do think Robertson/Knies have Top 6 F potential, and Niemela with top 4 potential. Whether they get there or not remains to be seen, but we have guys that are tracking well.

 

[Mess]

I would take neither. I don’t aspire to be San Jose.

I don't aspire to be like San Jose either, but Leafs have the longest playoff drought in the NHL and the only non expansion team to not win a single round in a Salary Cap World.

They aren't 1 more playoff round #1 loss from fear of becoming SJ bad, because their level of failure is sooooooo far from the 16 playoff round wins during that time that the teams are light years apart in success... There must be 1/2 the league between SJ's playoff record and the leagues worst Leafs record. Buffalo, Detroit, Ottawa, NJ etc etc have all had more playoff results then the Leafs.

San Jose Sharks fans would say "Fold my Franchise" if they were on an 18 year non playoff round win streak, because that is rock bottom.

Shanahan has been Leafs President for 8 years now, and his Shanaplan hasn't produced a single playoff round win, despite having the means financially to spend to the max of the salary cap. He is of the impression that he is doing a great job as are all his hires below him in GM and Coach are completely safe and they have nothing to show for it come playoff time, but they like the path their on.

If the Leafs had a single owner, and not owned by Bell & Rogers Corporations and Larry Tanenbaum then this plan would have been shutdown long ago. IMO.. Leafs owners simply don't care, which makes Leaf management immune to a results oriented league, and so they have a carte blanche blank cheque to do whatever they want without any accountability for the results.

Bell/Rogers even lite up the CN Tower in Toronto in Montreal colours after Leafs loss, with the saying " Tonight the #CNTower will be lit red, blue, and white for the @CanadiensMTL who will go on to represent Canada's hope for a 2021 @NHL Stanley Cup! "

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Actually better to have different viewpoints and people who will challenge you rather than sticking to a model that fails and a yes-man coach

I agree. If your idea's are so fragile that you don't want someone poking holes in them..... It's just comical at this point. I know we could have used a JT Miller type of guy in the top 6 instead of Willy. I like Nylander but his motor fluctuates too much for my liking. We need someone to drag these guys into the fight that can play. Not a 4th liner like Spezza that plays 6min a night in the playoffs. We need someone who is not afraid to barrel at the net with the puck. Besides Willy (of all People) trying that 1 time...did anyone else try to crash the net on a swoop? Did they have a few chances? yes...yes they did. Until you correct that mentality...nothing will change.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I don’t get it why some are so afraid to move on from any one of the core players.
obviously because we have them no other team has any of these 4 and yet many other teams over the last 6 years have had way more success then we have. Why is it so mandatory to have all of Matthews, Marner, Tavares and Nylander. How do the other teams build good teams without these 4 players.
the bottom line is we and management tent to over value players way to often.

This....like...pin this.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

“After careful deliberation ….we’ve decided to…..sit tight and assess”

"After trying nothing new...we are all out of ideas"

 

[Mess]

I don’t get it why some are so afraid to move on from any one of the core players.
obviously because we have them no other team has any of these 4 and yet many other teams over the last 6 years have had way more success then we have. Why is it so mandatory to have all of Matthews, Marner, Tavares and Nylander. How do the other teams build good teams without these 4 players.
the bottom line is we and management tent to over value players way to often.

It would be even easier to fire Keefe and replace him with Trotz today, and not trade any players and send the message you expect better results.

What would the organization be so afraid of, losing in the 1st round? Your not making change for the sake of change as Shanny put it, your making changes because your previous coach didn't get the job done and is 0 for 3 now.. Barry Trotz has 8 playoff round wins during the same time, after coming off a Cup win with Washington the year previous.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I don’t get it why some are so afraid to move on from any one of the core players.
obviously because we have them no other team has any of these 4 and yet many other teams over the last 6 years have had way more success then we have. Why is it so mandatory to have all of Matthews, Marner, Tavares and Nylander. How do the other teams build good teams without these 4 players.
the bottom line is we and management tent to over value players way to often.

But as soon as you mention moving one it's blowing it up to some. And what if they have success elsewhere.
Same with Dubas - let him go and he'd be hired right away.
OK and?

It would be even easier to fire Keefe and replace him with Trotz today, and not trade any players and send the message you expect better results.

What would the organization be so afraid of, losing in the 1st round? Your not making change for the sake of change as Shanny put it, your making changes because your previous coach didn't get the job done and is 0 for 3 now.. Barry Trotz has 8 playoff round wins during the same time, after coming off a Cup win with Washington the year previous.

And seriously I could list a lot of things Keefe did or didn't do in the playoffs but yet to hear why he's so vital to keep around

 

[Superstar]

On paper, the team was better.

The team has improved on paper every year, especially the D.

Paper tiger...

 

[Superstar]

Watching Dubas' and Shanahan's media conference I got a good chuckle when Steve Simmons asked his question...he sounded so distant like he got a seat just outside of the washroom...

 

[Trapper]

It would be even easier to fire Keefe and replace him with Trotz today, and not trade any players and send the message you expect better results.

What would the organization be so afraid of, losing in the 1st round? Your not making change for the sake of change as Shanny put it, your making changes because your previous coach didn't get the job done and is 0 for 3 now.. Barry Trotz has 8 playoff round wins during the same time, after coming off a Cup win with Washington the year previous.

I don’t care what they think they did this year (and it’s frightening to hear them talk like a team that’s stuck in the 3rd round that just can’t get to the final) but the bottom line is you lost. Again. For the 6th time in a row with the same core.
An impact needs to happen. Not change for the sake of change but change because you aren’t going anywhere. It needs a different core player in the mix, different from what we’ve been rolling out and losing in the 1st round every year. And if management can’t see that (behind closed doors) we are in for a rough go.

 

[Morbo]

I think what bothered me about today wasn't that they didn't announce their whole plan or anything like that, but that I didn't hear any accountability for the failure. as far as they're concerned they've done everything great, including their boy Keefe being outcoached for the third year in a row apparently.

in particular the "changes for the sake of changes" remark...I mean...what? who would ever accuse the Leafs of that under these circumstances?? bizarre, bizarre comment from Shanahan.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I think what bothered me about today wasn't that they didn't announce their whole plan or anything like that, but that I didn't hear any accountability for the failure. as far as they're concerned they've done everything great, including their boy Keefe being outcoached for the third year in a row apparently.

in particular the "changes for the sake of changes" remark...I mean...what? who would ever accuse the Leafs of that under these circumstances?? bizarre, bizarre comment from Shanahan.

Yup set me off too as did the posters who are more than ok with it
Toronto deserves better

 

[Trapper]

I think what bothered me about today wasn't that they didn't announce their whole plan or anything like that, but that I didn't hear any accountability for the failure. as far as they're concerned they've done everything great, including their boy Keefe being outcoached for the third year in a row apparently.

in particular the "changes for the sake of changes" remark...I mean...what? who would ever accuse the Leafs of that under these circumstances?? bizarre, bizarre comment from Shanahan.

I think they first need to grasp the concept of why someone would need to make change. It’s always for the sake of something.
Your car isn’t running properly, do you make change or avoid change for the sake of it?

 

[deprw]

It's funny how Dubas fans hate JFJ but this is essentially the same guy

Decent at drafting and garbage at everything else

He couldn't confirm or deny anything. Dubas just rearranges the same sentinments, different verbage



Looking forward to have Reilly Nash back with the team

Well actually if we just would have let JFJ do his drafting and rebuild. Peddie forced JFJ's hand and it ended up being disaster. It would have been last summer, if we'd changed guard and traded based on initial thought of getting rid of Marner. Let's say you change GM and force it, does it end up being different outcome? Only idiot would dismantle this whole core.

Basicly next season we calculate how much respect our core has towards this front office and coaching believing in them. Everybody knows what will come if they don't make it. Painful yet interesting setup.

I love this loser mentality talk, because if you end up believing your initial solution, is it loser mentality? To me it is die by the sword approach, either you make it or die by trying. Loser would second guess.

Don't forget locking your franchise player to 5 year deal
when Mcdavid, Eichel, Barkov, Point locked in for 8 years

Barkov was bridged with 5 year deal and signed 8 years after that. Same plan we had. Barkov had lots of injuries in his first years in the league.

 

[deprw]

I don't think keefe is a bad coach, but I find it dubious that he will be seen as a legendary coach 20 years from now. That's not really a good enough justification for keeping him on while coaches who are currently great are available

Trotz might like to coach near home and I don't really know about Deboer. His category of recent loser and he has actually never won anything. If you keep your guy it's better to pump his tires.

 

[deprw]

At start of the season bar wasn't high but in the end it was 2 time Stanley Cup champion. Some teams have bar set to LA Kings and other have Tampa Bay Lightning. I know next comes comparison to Canadiens but Kings didn't have their defense like Canadies had with vintage reffing, where you count only bodies.

Ah.... Jared McCann would have certainly sealed the deal............?

Actually might have made a difference. I think in overall if you look our seventh and eight dman I think we should have chosen McCann over Holl.

 

[ShaneFalco]

At start of the season bar wasn't high but in the end it was 2 time Stanley Cup champion. Some teams have bar set to LA Kings and other have Tampa Bay Lightning. I know next comes comparison to Canadiens but Kings didn't have their defense like Canadies had with vintage reffing, where you count only bodies.

Just listen to yourself
If we played Boston and lost again it may have been better for the blind faith folks

 

[ShaneFalco]

Well actually if we just would have let JFJ do his drafting and rebuild. Peddie forced JFJ's hand and it ended up being disaster. It would have been last summer, if we'd changed guard and traded based on initial thought of getting rid of Marner. Let's say you change GM and force it, does it end up being different outcome? Only idiot would dismantle this whole core.

Basicly next season we calculate how much respect our core has towards this front office and coaching believing in them. Everybody knows what will come if they don't make it. Painful yet interesting setup.

I love this loser mentality talk, because if you end up believing your initial solution, is it loser mentality? To me it is die by the sword approach, either you make it or die by trying. Loser would second guess.


Barkov was bridged with 5 year deal and signed 8 years after that. Same plan we had. Barkov had lots of injuries in his first years in the league.

Difference is most would love to eat crow and see success. The run it back crowd will never admit they were ever wrong much like Dubas

 

[deprw]

Just listen to yourself
If we played Boston and lost again it may have been better for the blind faith folks

It would have been more embarrasing at least. If you watched east at all you could pretty sure tell that Tampa was better than any of the other lower seeds and would have gave run for the money for Canes and probably for Florida. It's interesting to see what they can do without Point.

I don't get to decide our GM and actually wouldn't have opposed change for better, but at the moment when you look in the market there isn't any certain upgrades. I have some experience on management and team building. We chose modern approach and if we fail you will get your change.

We're yelling for accountability here and all we got from this old time hockey people was decades of failures. I'm questioning my hockey philosophy at the moment as I'm coming from Europe, but I actually stand pat with my management and leadership perspective. From that viewpoint, this has potential.

If you know our history, change was rarely for better.

 

[ShaneFalco]

It would have been more embarrasing at least. If you watched east at all you could pretty sure tell that Tampa was better than any of the other lower seeds and would have gave run for the money for Canes and probably for Florida. It's interesting to see what they can do without Point.

I don't get to decide our GM and actually wouldn't have opposed change for better, but at the moment when you look in the market there isn't any certain upgrades. I have some experience on management and team building. We chose modern approach and if we fail you will get your change.

We're yelling for accountability here and all we got from this old time hockey people was decades of failures. I'm questioning my hockey philosophy at the moment as I'm coming from Europe, but I actually stand pat with my management and leadership perspective. From that viewpoint, this has potential.

If you know our history, change was rarely for better.

Because when has leafs ownership and management ever been known as nothing but a joke? I give full props to Lou Babs (who I despise) and Shanny for bringing respectability back to this franchise . I really hate the fact they don't now value winning more and expect nothing less.

 

[keonsbitterness]

I don’t get it why some are so afraid to move on from any one of the core players.
obviously because we have them no other team has any of these 4 and yet many other teams over the last 6 years have had way more success then we have. Why is it so mandatory to have all of Matthews, Marner, Tavares and Nylander. How do the other teams build good teams without these 4 players.
the bottom line is we and management tent to over value players way to often.

Dubas mentioned early this season or during camp that GMs made offers in the off-season for at least one of our core players and he dismissed them. Bet they were all one-sided.

It's obviously not mandatory, but they're not trading for the sake of making a trade.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Well actually if we just would have let JFJ do his drafting and rebuild. Peddie forced JFJ's hand and it ended up being disaster. It would have been last summer, if we'd changed guard and traded based on initial thought of getting rid of Marner. Let's say you change GM and force it, does it end up being different outcome? Only idiot would dismantle this whole core.

Basicly next season we calculate how much respect our core has towards this front office and coaching believing in them. Everybody knows what will come if they don't make it. Painful yet interesting setup.

I love this loser mentality talk, because if you end up believing your initial solution, is it loser mentality? To me it is die by the sword approach, either you make it or die by trying. Loser would second guess.


Barkov was bridged with 5 year deal and signed 8 years after that. Same plan we had. Barkov had lots of injuries in his first years in the league.

What will come if they don't make it?

 

[deprw]

Because when has leafs ownership and management ever been known as nothing but a joke? I give full props to Lou Babs (who I despise) and Shanny for bringing respectability back to this franchise . I really hate the fact they don't now value winning more and expect nothing less.

Shanny brought lots of respectability into this organization and changed narrative around our team. This was place where no one wanted to play in. It's sad that Babs tripped into his own ego, because we might have needed him, thouhg he had his own failures during first round over playing Marleau etc. You have to remember that Lou couldn't do anything to our defense.