Media Availability - End Of Season (2022)

[Nylanderthal]

Didn't they get Makar from being terrible?

They sure did

 

[Apex Predator]

It's going to be difficult to move him, holl, Muzzin ( if that's what we want to do etc)

I don't think we're getting out of this off season without dumping a first for cap space.

People acting like there's a lineup for mrazek are pie in the sky thinking. It's a horrific deal

It’s going to be the same thing with Marleau. Everyone kept saying it would be easy and it ended up costing us a first. I don’t think the Leafs will pay a first to dump him. They will hold on to him and let him get some of his value back if that’s what the cost is.

 

[notbias]

It’s going to be the same thing with Marleau. Everyone kept saying it would be easy and it ended up costing us a first. I don’t think the Leafs will pay a first to dump him. They will hold on to him and let him get some of his value back if that’s what the cost is.

Marleau had a NMC and we had to find a team that would buy him out so he could go back to San Jose... how is this even remotely close?

Not convinced any of those players listed above are even dumps.

 

[The Masters]

 

[ShaneFalco]

the brass just has to recognize that playoff hockey and regular season hockey are different games and build the team with that in mind. marner not having scored in around 17 playoff games was of concern but he did step up (a little). with the cap as it is, most of our moves will probably involve getting rid of dead weight like mikheyev and engvall (no career playoff goals with a goalie in net) in favor of players that have at least contributed more in the playoffs.

Nope Dubas loves those kind of guys. Because you know, eventually they'll break out

 

[rocketman588]

Tampa buys their bottom 6, they don't sign them. Coleman, Goodrow, Hagel, Paul, all bought, only gave up like 6 first-rounders or something close to that.

And all they got was two cups out of it. They also buy longer term deals for that as well

How many firsts have we given away for nothing?

We gave up a 1/3/4/7 for Riley Nash , foligno and David f***ing rittich in LAST YEARS draft

 

[Smif]

That’s true but they had also gone to the conference final and had deep runs intermixed in seasons before the got swept……..we have had nothing but failure in the playoffs. Not a relevant comparison

It's also pretty interesting that Tampa only won their first cup in 2019 when they're rebuild started with drafting Stamkos in 2008. Makes me think we still have quite a bit of runway.

 

[Mess]

Considering the history of where they were under Richard Peddie and Brian Burke it makes sense they are okay with the high regular season bar but the organization needs a real push to not become this eras San Jose Sharks.

In some ways, losing honourably in the first round gets us back to 2016-17 when they first lost to the Washington Capitals. Before the rot set in vs Columbus and Montreal. Take that for what it’s worth.

Fun Fact:

The Leafs haven't won a single playoff round in 18 years, the San Jose Sharks who get ridiculed for playoff failure have won 16 playoff series during this same time since the Salary Cap was instituted in 2005.

San Jose record during that time includes making the final 4 X 4 times losing in round #3, and even losing in the SCF to Pittsburgh in 2016, Leafs haven't even played in a single SCF series in 55 years.

Which Leaf fan alive today, wouldn't take SJ 16 playoff round wins seen as failure to Leafs ZERO?

 

[Racer88]

Here is Tampa's trade history for their bottom 6

Paul <-> Joseph, 4th
Hagel, 4th, 4th <-> Raddysh, Katchouck, 1st, 1st
Goodrow, 3rd <-> Greco, 1st
Coleman <-> 1st, Nolan Foote

So to simplify it.

Paul, Hagel, Goodrow, Coleman, 3rd 4th, 4th
for
Joseph, Raddysh, Katchouck, Foote, Greco, 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, 4th

Assuming we'd be complaining about how terrible our pipeline is if we gave this up.

But if we are fine with it, let's do it, our core is approaching the age they were when they spent all this.

Give away our top prospects and bunch of 1sts for good role players.

Gee I don’t know, maybe we should do those deals. Tampa has just won 2 consecutive Stanley cups and just eliminated us………who is doing it right?
im thinking the team with the cups not the team suffering thru 6 straight first round loses…….does that not bother you

 

[Apex Predator]

Marleau had a NMC and we had to find a team that would buy him out so he could go back to San Jose... how is this even remotely close?

Not convinced any of those players listed above are even dumps.

I don’t think Muzzin or Holl are dumps. Mrazek has a NMC which only allows 10 teams. Not exactly the same but its going to be harder than people want to think.

 

[notbias]

Gee I don’t know, maybe we should do those deals. Tampa has just won 2 consecutive Stanley cups and just eliminated us………who is doing it right?
im thinking the team with the cups not the team suffering thru 6 straight first round loses…….does that not bother you

I am fine spending, let's spend.

We can do the Florida version too, they have no success and just mortgaged their entire future. Let's do it.

I want all 1sts and Knies, Robertson, Amirov, and Niemela gone within the next 2 runs.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Gee I don’t know, maybe we should do those deals. Tampa has just won 2 consecutive Stanley cups and just eliminated us………who is doing it right?
im thinking the team with the cups not the team suffering thru 6 straight first round loses…….does that not bother you

Some are Dubas fans to the bitter end. You know the GM who has nothing but regular season success and no previous NHL experience. He knows best

 

[Racer88]

It's also pretty interesting that Tampa only won their first cup in 2019 when they're rebuild started with drafting Stamkos in 2008. Makes me think we still have quite a bit of runway.

While this may be true Tampa had varying degrees of success along the way, we have had nothing in the way of playoff success.
Dubas bet the farm and accelerated the rebuild with the Tavares signing. We are now living with his haste

 

[Trapper]

I would do that but Winnipeg won’t do that. They can get better value moving them separately.

Getting Scheifele from Winnipeg would be an S tier move from Dubas IMO. Not exactly the same but close to the Wings bringing in Shanahan. A total change from the way the current skilled guys are built while still being skilled. A power forward/center to change the dynamic.
I don’t know the Winnipeg situation concerning every player (Hellebyuck) but it’s pretty much certain Scheifele is done now.

 

[The Masters]

If pittsburge fires Sullivan, please God sign him

 

[Azail]

If Keefe had any integrity, he'll do what Maurice did. Quit on this call

#fraud

IMO Maurice quit because he knew the team was bad, and he didn't want to get fired. Don't think it has anything to do with integrity, more like saving his own neck.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Fun Fact:

The Leafs haven't won a single playoff round in 18 years, the San Jose Sharks who get ridiculed for playoff failure have won 16 playoff series during this same time since the Salary Cap was instituted in 2005.

San Jose record during that time includes making the final 4 X 4 times losing in round #3, and even losing in the SCF to Pittsburgh in 2016, Leafs haven't even played in a single SCF series in 55 years.

Which Leaf fan alive today, wouldn't take SJ 16 playoff round wins seen as failure to Leafs ZERO?

Why are we hanging the ancient past on the current group?

 

[Racer88]

I am fine spending, let's spend.

We can do the Florida version too, they have no success and just mortgaged their entire future. Let's do it.

I want all 1sts and Knies, Robertson, Amirov, and Niemela gone within the next 2 runs.

Why not just do the Tampa version, why would you want to do the Florida version.
maybe Tampa has a really smart GM and Florida does not.
Dubas bet the farm on his style of cap allocation and 6 years later it’s still a failure.
maybe Dubas isn’t as smart as he thinks.
serious question, aren’t you sick of losing, sick of setting records of futility.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I don’t think Muzzin or Holl are dumps. Mrazek has a NMC which only allows 10 teams. Not exactly the same but its going to be harder than people want to think.

Muzzin on the decline
JT on the decline
No #1 goalie and maybe not even a #2 goalie next year
How many picks have we given up for band- aids that failed?
Lack of 3rd and 4th line identity for years now - especially 4th line
This is all viewed as being successful and bringing the architect back because he had a few good moves in there

 

[notbias]

Why not just do the Tampa version, why would you want to do the Florida version.
maybe Tampa has a really smart GM and Florida does not.
Dubas bet the farm on his style of cap allocation and 6 years later it’s still a failure.
maybe Dubas isn’t as smart as he thinks.
serious question, aren’t you sick of losing, sick of setting records of futility.

Tampa's version involves a lot of failures and sticking the plan, and then when you have your most embarrassing playoff loss, you start spending

Obviously, I don't like losing, I don't think making the team worse is the answer though

 

[ShaneFalco]

Tampa's version involves a lot of failures and sticking the plan, and then when you have your most embarrassing playoff loss, you start spending

Notbias lol

 

[rocketman588]

I am fine spending, let's spend.

We can do the Florida version too, they have no success and just mortgaged their entire future. Let's do it.

I want all 1sts and Knies, Robertson, Amirov, and Niemela gone within the next 2 runs.

Florida is a garbage market who saw their chance at a cup. They really don't care if they're ass the next 15 years

They also just accomplished more then dubas has his entire tenure. We have given away a bunch of prospects and picks for nothing and hang our hats on a mediocre thin pool to try to justify his continued employment

 

[myleafs]

Colorado is a comparison, running back the same core for much longer while only seeing the second round and people think Sakic is a genius.

one can dream

 

[All Mod Cons]

It's also pretty interesting that Tampa only won their first cup in 2019 when they're rebuild started with drafting Stamkos in 2008. Makes me think we still have quite a bit of runway.

Leicester City escaped a miraculous relegation under Nigel Pearson, against all odds. They subsequently fired him and hired Claudio Ranieri. They then went on to win the Premier in an even more miraculous fashion. Absolutely unbelievable. Makes me think we have ran out of runway.

 

[Dreakmur]

Tampa's version involves a lot of failures and sticking the plan, and then when you have your most embarrassing playoff loss, you start spending

Obviously, I don't like losing, I don't think making the team worse is the answer though

The team is getting worse by standing pat.