Media Availability - End Of Season (2022)

[ShaneFalco]

Shanny brought lots of respectability into this organization and changed narrative around our team. This was place where no one wanted to play in. It's sad that Babs tripped into his own ego, because we might have needed him, thouhg he had his own failures during first round over playing Marleau etc. You have to remember that Lou couldn't do anything to our defense.

Nope Lou helped with a culture change but I would never want him making long term decisions on players

 

[notbias]

That's just it......we don't. A lot of Dubas supporters have been tricked into thinking this is true.

Do we even have 1 of the following in our prospect pool:

Top 6 forward (Robertson and Knies might be)
Top 4 Dman (Neimiela might be)
NHL goaltender (Woll could be)

A lot of analysts must have been tricked too...

Robertson, Knies, and Amirov all have the potential to be 1st line players, and I really think if Amirov can get over his cancer he has the highest ceiling and has superstar potential.

Potential middle six is guys like Steeves, Holmberg, Anderson, Ovchinnikov, Abruzzesse, Tverberg, Hiirvonen, Voit

4th liners are maybe Douglas and not sure who else really fits that mold.

Top 4 D Niemiela (could be top 2), Kral, Koster, Kokkenen, Villeneuve.

The bottom pairing may only be Rubins.

Peksa played well this year and Artur got a KHL game so hopefully, he will get some more next year, but our goalie pipeline is not great.

I am sure some others are higher on specific players, but this is a good prospect pool, especially for a playoff team that ranks near the top of the league.

 

[deprw]

The Kadri trade was fine, not going to get into that debate all over again and Kerfoot's been a good player for us.

Your right. As much as you want to hate it because of hindsight if so sweet. You have to remember that Lou put us behind eight ball with Marleuas third year and Kadri wouldn't want to go to Calgary. If we kept Kadri our defense would have been terrible. Barrie was bad gamble, but we still can get value out of Kerfoot. Something that we couldn't from Kadri who is UFA now.

Nope Lou helped with a culture change but I would never want him making long term decisions on players

We agree on that.

 

[Stephen]

I don't aspire to be like San Jose either, but Leafs have the longest playoff drought in the NHL and the only non expansion team to not win a single round in a Salary Cap World.

They aren't 1 more playoff round #1 loss from fear of becoming SJ bad, because their level of failure is sooooooo far from the 16 playoff round wins during that time that the teams are light years apart in success... There must be 1/2 the league between SJ's playoff record and the leagues worst Leafs record. Buffalo, Detroit, Ottawa, NJ etc etc have all had more playoff results then the Leafs.

San Jose Sharks fans would say "Fold my Franchise" if they were on an 18 year non playoff round win streak, because that is rock bottom.

Shanahan has been Leafs President for 8 years now, and his Shanaplan hasn't produced a single playoff round win, despite having the means financially to spend to the max of the salary cap. He is of the impression that he is doing a great job as are all his hires below him in GM and Coach are completely safe and they have nothing to show for it come playoff time, but they like the path their on.

If the Leafs had a single owner, and not owned by Bell & Rogers Corporations and Larry Tanenbaum then this plan would have been shutdown long ago. IMO.. Leafs owners simply don't care, which makes Leaf management immune to a results oriented league, and so they have a carte blanche blank cheque to do whatever they want without any accountability for the results.

Bell/Rogers even lite up the CN Tower in Toronto in Montreal colours after Leafs loss, with the saying " Tonight the #CNTower will be lit red, blue, and white for the @CanadiensMTL who will go on to represent Canada's hope for a 2021 @NHL Stanley Cup! "

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I don't really think it's a corporate issue. MLSE has actually been quite successful winning championships in other sports.

 

[CapspaceKiller]

The leafs running it back with an upgrade in net and bigger bottom 6 forwards is a fine strategy...problem is, where is the capspace for this?

 

[deprw]

It would be even easier to fire Keefe and replace him with Trotz today, and not trade any players and send the message you expect better results.

What would the organization be so afraid of, losing in the 1st round? Your not making change for the sake of change as Shanny put it, your making changes because your previous coach didn't get the job done and is 0 for 3 now.. Barry Trotz has 8 playoff round wins during the same time, after coming off a Cup win with Washington the year previous.

Like how we could have presented Trotz in the front of the press? He interviewed with Jets this week and probably continues his tour. There is also rumour that he want's to be close to his father, because his mother passed away. I think his from Winnipeg? So maybe Jets should have gave Cheveldayoff a day off and take Trotz in as GM.

 

[AllHeartNoSkill]

The repeated use of “we believe in this group” and “we won’t make a change for the sake of change” is starting to sound like they’re actually saying, “we don’t really know if we CAN improve this team.” It just feels like they’re hoping to get lucky…

 

[Racer88]

I don’t get it why some are so afraid to move on from any one of the core players.
obviously because we have them no other team has any of these 4 and yet many other teams over the last 6 years have had way more success then we have. Why is it so mandatory to have all of Matthews, Marner, Tavares and Nylander. How do the other teams build good teams without these 4 players.
the bottom line is we and management tent to over value players way to often.

 

[The Masters]

overdrive hour 3 towards end

hayes made a point dubas/shanny all analytical and from their view, they r going to run it back based on their numbers and they hope next year a couple bounces go there way and they win. just too ignorant to look at anything else.

i dont think hockey is baseball. toughness and leadership play a large part.

 

[kevsh]

Gem from today's presser: “We’re slowly understanding the way we need to play,” William Nylander said.

Define "slowly"?

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

It would be even easier to fire Keefe and replace him with Trotz today, and not trade any players and send the message you expect better results.

What would the organization be so afraid of, losing in the 1st round? Your not making change for the sake of change as Shanny put it, your making changes because your previous coach didn't get the job done and is 0 for 3 now.. Barry Trotz has 8 playoff round wins during the same time, after coming off a Cup win with Washington the year previous.

What are they afraid of? I think it's that they would admit their way of doing things is wrong and getting an old school defensive minded coach would be admitting defeat in their eyes. They are that stubborn. It would be picking up after Lou sent him packing. You would think they are smarter than they really are if you think they just believe what they believe because it's the correct way to win a cup. It has never been tried before and for good reason. They will die on that hill. Next year Dubas will use the "If you fire me then Auston might walk away as a UFA" in order to keep his job after failing yet again. The fact that they are impressed that the team actually TRIED in the deciding game...just TRIED...is giving them goosebumps in the management office...let that sink in.

 

[Gary Nylund]

The leafs running it back with an upgrade in net and bigger bottom 6 forwards is a fine strategy...problem is, where is the capspace for this?

Fair question. I'd move Nylander if that's what it took, and moving Nylander should do it.

I don’t get it why some are so afraid to move on from any one of the core players.
obviously because we have them no other team has any of these 4 and yet many other teams over the last 6 years have had way more success then we have. Why is it so mandatory to have all of Matthews, Marner, Tavares and Nylander. How do the other teams build good teams without these 4 players.
the bottom line is we and management tent to over value players way to often.

Hopefully Dubas isn't married to the big 4 though I'll admit, I'm still pissed off that he promised never to trade Nylander so who knows, he just might be that stubborn. I like most of what he's done but my biggest concern with him is that he maybe sometimes takes loyalty too far. If I was Shanahan, I'd ask him if he'd be willing to at least consider moving on from a core piece and/or the coach and if he said no, I'd move on from him.

overdrive hour 3 towards end

hayes made a point dubas/shanny all analytical and from their view, they r going to run it back based on their numbers and they hope next year a couple bounces go there way and they win. just too ignorant to look at anything else.

i dont think hockey is baseball. toughness and leadership play a large part.

Hayes is an entertainer so who cares what he thinks. Nothing against the guy but some of his takes are just brutal.

The fact that they are impressed that the team actually TRIED in the deciding game...just TRIED...is giving them goosebumps in the management office...let that sink in.

Nobody should be impressed by trying, trying should be a given. Maybe it's just the fact that they played so badly the last 4 game 7's that it seems like they weren't trying but this year they did?

Anyhow, I thought they played great this year. The regular season I don't care about that much but they played very well in the playoffs. After getting better than .936 SV% in the playoffs last 2 years and losing to mediocre teams, we almost beat the powerhouse TB team despite getting only .897 SV% from the goalie.

This team is a solid #1 goalie away from being a powerhouse and is well positioned to stay among the top teams for another decade. I like most of the trades Dubas has made so I'm happy to see him get a chance to get this done. He needs to get it done though!

 

[ShaneFalco]

Gem from today's presser: “We’re slowly understanding the way we need to play,” William Nylander said.

Define "slowly"?

Dog years

 

[TheShape]

I think what bothered me about today wasn't that they didn't announce their whole plan or anything like that, but that I didn't hear any accountability for the failure.

This is all I wanted to hear at some point. Some ownership. There's a massive arrogance around the management group. Reeks of smartest people in the room.

 

[Morbo]

Gem from today's presser: “We’re slowly understanding the way we need to play,” William Nylander said.

Define "slowly"?

slowly like Willy going after that icing in game 6

 

[A1LeafNation]

Did the "team" get better or was it that Matthews, Marner and Nylander reached their potential? and by result the team was better.

We lost guys in their prime. Bozak, JVR, Kadri, Barrie, Kessel, Johnston, Kapanen, Hyman, etc.

We also added value deals like Bunting Kase Kampf Mikheyev Spezza, etc.

slowly like Willy going after that icing in game 6

I think you are referring to game 4 when it was 5-0 and Campbell was pulled bc they were getting ready for game 5 and didn't want anyone getting themself injured.

This is all I wanted to hear at some point. Some ownership. There's a massive arrogance around the management group. Reeks of smartest people in the room.

They did say this was no excuses, this season was a failure.

 

[A1LeafNation]

I don’t get it why some are so afraid to move on from any one of the core players.
obviously because we have them no other team has any of these 4 and yet many other teams over the last 6 years have had way more success then we have. Why is it so mandatory to have all of Matthews, Marner, Tavares and Nylander. How do the other teams build good teams without these 4 players.
the bottom line is we and management tent to over value players way to often.

Bc it sets franchises backwards. Look at the Hall for Larsson deal. Stupid miscalculation in trading a 80 point player for some defence which they could have gotten through other means.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Bc it sets franchises backwards. Look at the Hall for Larsson deal. Stupid miscalculation in trading a 80 point player for some defence which they could have gotten through other means.

So you don't trust Dubas to make a good move?

 

[Gabriel426]

Imagine they trade for Marchand and Sid with Marner and Willie plus whoever. Follow that up with Malkin and Bergeron UFA signings while keeping Keefe and they still get knock out of the first round.

 

[Morbo]

I think you are referring to game 4 when it was 5-0 and Campbell was pulled bc they were getting ready for game 5 and didn't want anyone getting themself injured.

there were 2 times where he pulled the chute, you're talking about the other one

 

[A1LeafNation]

So you don't trust Dubas to make a good move?

I do, if it's a good move make it. I don't see how trading an 80 point player turns into a win, but down to hear about what that win is...

 

[Nylanderthal]

The leafs running it back with an upgrade in net and bigger bottom 6 forwards is a fine strategy...problem is, where is the capspace for this?

Campbell mrazek Holl muzzin kerfoot Kase mikheyev engvall are $21m in cap.
Lilly & sandin need full time opportunities, you need to project to have room to fit one of the marlie forwards in next year which will save some cap vs a Kase or mik, depending how much you want to turnover the middle of the cap structure there’s money to make the team look very different

 

[ShaneFalco]

I do, if it's a good move make it. I don't see how trading an 80 point player turns into a win, but down to hear about what that win is...

Cap allocation best haul in a trade, address other areas, flexibility etc etc but you don't want to hear that

 

[A1LeafNation]

Cap allocation best haul in a trade, address other areas, flexibility etc etc but you don't want to hear that

Cap allocation. So maybe you should look at how many points 7m players get, then go look at how much 80 point players cap hits are.

One makes 11m and is on our team.

 

[Racer88]

Bc it sets franchises backwards. Look at the Hall for Larsson deal. Stupid miscalculation in trading a 80 point player for some defence which they could have gotten through other means.

Just because they made a bad deal doesn’t mean the leafs would. The point would also be the cap space they would With the 3-11 million dollar guys it will be tough to improve either in net or on defence