McDavid heating up, what are odds on 150 points this season?

[Video Nasty]

96 points to go with 54 games left to play. Considering he notched 105 points in 56 games in 2020-2021, I like his chances.

13 point lead over the closest non-teammates.

 

[VainGretzky]

This is fair feedback and I don't necessarily disagree with it, but have one caveat.... McDavid tends to be his most productive towards the end of the season regardless of year. Most years his December and January are slump'ish by his standards. His March/April stats by proxy are always quite high.

This is because most dmen are bruised up and tiring, and McDavid's speed shows even more

 

[BallardEra]

On pace for 73 goals, 85 assists and 158 points.

 

[Calderon]

On pace for 73 goals, 85 assists and 158 points.

Not sure which I'd prefer seeing: 70+ goals or 100+ assists (not that he's pacing for 100 but the ratio of g/a could easily sway; no way is McDavid doing both).
Obviously, we haven't seen a 70 goal season in ages (Selänne and Mogilny with 76 in 1992-93), but 100 assists is actually way rarer of a feat, achieved only by Gretzky (11 times), Lemieux and Orr (both once).

70+ goals has been done only one more times but by eight different players.

 

[blundluntman]

Not sure which I'd prefer seeing: 70+ goals or 100+ assists (not that he's pacing for 100 but the ratio of g/a could easily sway; no way is McDavid doing both).
Obviously, we haven't seen a 70 goal season in ages (Selänne and Mogilny with 76 in 1992-93), but 100 assists is actually way rarer of a feat, achieved only by Gretzky (11 times), Lemieux and Orr (both once).

70+ goals has been done only one more times but by eight different players.

Its still so crazy to me that Bernie Nichols is part of that list. Gretzky being one of them is impressive enough but being responsible for two others on the list? Amazing.

 

[jigglysquishy]

McDavid 2021-22 vs 2022-23 after 28 games.

22: 16 G 31 A 47 P
23: 25 G 29 A 54 P

Strongly above pace of last year. Way ahead of his goal pace last year.

 

[BallardEra]

Its still so crazy to me that Bernie Nichols is part of that list. Gretzky being one of them is impressive enough but being responsible for two others on the list? Amazing.

Didn't Bernie drive his own line that season when he hit 70?

 

[SwedishFire]

He had 105 points in 56 games during the 2020-21 season which is a 154 pace over 82 games.

Second place finisher was 21 points behind him and third place was 36 points.

I think 140+ points is possible for him this season if he plays all 82 games.

Well, if evander kane is back, and they load up mcDavid Draisaitl Kane on same line

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Assuming he misses no games, my model gives McDavid the following probabilities:

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]

120​

[/TD]

[TD]

99.4%​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

130​

[/TD]

[TD]

90.5%​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

140​

[/TD]

[TD]

58.0%​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

150​

[/TD]

[TD]

21.6%​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

160​

[/TD]

[TD]

4.2%​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Over the past week, McDavid has scored 7 points in three games. Here are the revised probabilities:

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]

120​

[/TD]

[TD]

99.6%​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

130​

[/TD]

[TD]

93.7%​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

140​

[/TD]

[TD]

66.9%​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

150​

[/TD]

[TD]

26.9%​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

160​

[/TD]

[TD]

5.1%​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Again, this is assuming McDavid doesn't miss any games. Even a few games lost would really hurt his chances. But his probability of reach 150 points is now about 5% higher than it was at the start of the week.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Would be great to see someone do it after all these years of "players are so good it is impossible now".

The recent crackdowns on goaltender equipment, a trend towards smaller players and speed, and the lack of physical play, obstruction, and interference opens up more east-west plays again finally.. and it is showing in scoring the past few years.

 

[The Panther]

Would be great to see someone do it after all these years of "players are so good it is impossible now".

The recent crackdowns on goaltender equipment, a trend towards smaller players and speed, and the lack of physical play, obstruction, and interference opens up more east-west plays again finally.. and it is showing in scoring the past few years.

I recall the shift starting around 2017-18 or so, when I (again... finally...) began seeing shooters frequently beating goalies with short-side shots and even sometimes slappers from distance. You could also see, around that time, that forwards were getting clever with shooting and often began shooting for the top corners in tight, shooting beside the goalies' ears/head, etc. (Of course, modern stick technology has made this more feasible.)

Before about 2017, and going back to about 1996 or something, I just did not see goalies getting beaten regularly on the short side.

 

[Rengorlex]

Over the past week, McDavid has scored 7 points in three games. Here are the revised probabilities:

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]

120​

[/TD]

[TD]

99.6%​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

130​

[/TD]

[TD]

93.7%​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

140​

[/TD]

[TD]

66.9%​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

150​

[/TD]

[TD]

26.9%​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

160​

[/TD]

[TD]

5.1%​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Again, this is assuming McDavid doesn't miss any games. Even a few games lost would really hurt his chances. But his probability of reach 150 points is now about 5% higher than it was at the start of the week.

If he plays 82 games, it's almost as likely that he scores 160 points as it is that he scores less than 130 points

 

[blundluntman]

Didn't Bernie drive his own line that season when he hit 70?

Considering his highest total before that was 100 points, I'd assume he had some help from Gretzky that season. Could be wrong though.

 

[BallardEra]

Considering his highest total before that was 100 points, I'd assume he had some help from Gretzky that season. Could be wrong though.

I remember hearing he had his own line that season.

If so, might have been his one Brady Anderson season.

 

[jigglysquishy]

Nichols had 49 powerplay points playing with Gretzky. He was still absolutely elite at even strength without Gretzky.

Someone might have the shared point totals, but I've never seen it.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Nichols had 49 powerplay points playing with Gretzky. He was still absolutely elite at even strength without Gretzky.

Someone might have the shared point totals, but I've never seen it.

Nicholls had 87 ES points that year, only 23 were with Gretzky. (There's still some indirect benefits - opponents were generally focused on stopping Gretzky's line, so it freed up Nicholls to have easier matchups then he'd otherwise get).

He had 49 PP points, 30 of which were with Gretzky. And 11 of his 14 SH points were with Gretzky.

Even if you take away every single ES point Nicholls got with Gretzky, he still would have been T-7th in ES scoring that year (with Gretzky, Lemieux and their linemates taking up four of the top six spots). Nicholls had an incredible season in terms of ES production (but it's also fair to argue that his PP and especially SH scoring were boosted by Gretzky).

 

[SwedishFire]

Didn't Bernie drive his own line that season when he hit 70?

70 goals is close to one goal per game. Thats ... insane.

 

[Melrose Munch]

Wish the nets were bigger so he could go for 175 at least.

 

[blundluntman]

I remember hearing he had his own line that season.

If so, might have been his one Brady Anderson season.

Yeah it turns out he scored a lot on his own and probably still would've touched 100 points again that season. Even without Gretzky he was a great player so it does make a bit of sense I suppose. One hell of a season that's for sure.

 

[tabness]

I've written up on Bernie Nicholls in an attempt for him not to be just some trivia answer or dismissed as a product of Gretzky or an exemplar of how easy it was to score in the eighties or whatever.

It's not an exact comparison of course, but you see a guy like Robertson who looks so gumpy skating, and yet still succeeds, and you think of Nicholls.

He was an exceptionally good player in all areas except skating, which probably looked worse than it was due to his gumpy skating stride. He had one of the best shots in the league, and was one of the smartest players in the league, both with, but more importantly, without the puck, this being a key trait of Jari Kurri, so no surprise Nicholls meshed well with Gretzky.

He was generally considered the Kings best player before Gretzky came in over Robitaille and Carson. Before 1988-1989, he didn't play much with guys like Robitaille and Carson, nor too much with Marcel Dionne before, his main linemates early on was Jim Fox. Few would take Hartford era Ron Francis over LA era Nicholls in the eighties, they just had dramatically different fortunes in the early nineties, where Nicholls joined a couple of defensive teams from one of the most offensive teams in LA, but most impactfully, Nicholls had to deal with the illness and death of his infant son which understandably derailed his attention to hockey. Thought to be lazy and unmotivated (the former cause of his skating stride, the latter probably due to incorrectly attributing early career flamboyance to his mid nineties years where he definitely should not have been motivated by hockey given what he was going through), Nicholls was actually generally considered the best athlete on teams he played, leading to a late career resurgence.

His points together numbers for 1988-1989 (and full career):

1989 146 total
wayne gretzky  61 41.78%  23ev  27pp  11sh
luc robitaille  45 30.82%  32ev  13pp  0sh
dave taylor  34 23.29%  23ev  11pp  0sh
steve duchesne  31 21.23%  13ev  14pp  4sh
john tonelli  13  8.9%  9ev  4pp  0sh
mike krushelnyski  9  6.16%  6ev  3pp  0sh
bobby carpenter  6  4.11%  5ev  1pp  0sh
tim watters  6  4.11%  5ev  0pp  1sh
dale degray  5  3.42%  3ev  2pp  0sh
doug crossman  5  3.42%  4ev  1pp  0sh
steve kasper  5  3.42%  1ev  3pp  1sh
tom laidlaw  5  3.42%  5ev  0pp  0sh
unassisted  5  3.42%  3ev  2pp  0sh
dean kennedy  4  2.74%  3ev  0pp  1sh
ken baumgartner  4  2.74%  3ev  0pp  1sh
marty mcsorley  4  2.74%  3ev  1pp  0sh
ron duguay  4  2.74%  4ev  0pp  0sh
igor liba  3  2.05%  0ev  3pp  0sh
jay miller  3  2.05%  3ev  0pp  0sh
jim wiemer  3  2.05%  0ev  0pp  3sh
mike allison  2  1.37%  0ev  2pp  0sh
chris kontos  1  0.68%  1ev  0pp  0sh
kelly hrudey  1  0.68%  1ev  0pp  0sh
larry playfair  1  0.68%  0ev  0pp  1sh
paul fenton  1  0.68%  1ev  0pp  0sh
petr prajzler  1  0.68%  0ev  1pp  0sh

Spoiler: career

player name:
bernie nicholls

start season:
1982

end season:
1999

1982 32 total
dave taylor  8  25%  0ev  8pp  0sh
jim fox  6 18.75%  5ev  1pp  0sh
marcel dionne  6 18.75%  0ev  6pp  0sh
mark hardy  6 18.75%  2ev  4pp  0sh
doug smith  5 15.62%  5ev  0pp  0sh
charlie simmer  4  12.5%  0ev  4pp  0sh
john paul kelly  4  12.5%  3ev  1pp  0sh
daryl evans  3  9.38%  3ev  0pp  0sh
larry murphy  3  9.38%  3ev  0pp  0sh
mike murphy  3  9.38%  2ev  1pp  0sh
unassisted  3  9.38%  2ev  0pp  1sh
jerry korab  2  6.25%  1ev  1pp  0sh
rick chartraw  2  6.25%  2ev  0pp  0sh
steve bozek  2  6.25%  2ev  0pp  0sh
ian turnbull  1  3.12%  1ev  0pp  0sh

1983 49 total
jim fox  21 42.86%  8ev  13pp  0sh
charlie simmer  14 28.57%  6ev  8pp  0sh
doug smith  10 20.41%  9ev  1pp  0sh
mike murphy  8 16.33%  8ev  0pp  0sh
larry murphy  6 12.24%  2ev  4pp  0sh
dean kennedy  5  10.2%  5ev  0pp  0sh
jerry korab  4  8.16%  2ev  2pp  0sh
mark hardy  4  8.16%  2ev  2pp  0sh
dave lewis  3  6.12%  3ev  0pp  0sh
daryl evans  2  4.08%  0ev  2pp  0sh
kenneth gruhl  2  4.08%  2ev  0pp  0sh
ulf isaksson  2  4.08%  2ev  0pp  0sh
brian maclellan  1  2.04%  1ev  0pp  0sh
jay wells  1  2.04%  1ev  0pp  0sh
marcel dionne  1  2.04%  0ev  1pp  0sh
rick chartraw  1  2.04%  1ev  0pp  0sh
steve bozek  1  2.04%  1ev  0pp  0sh
unassisted  1  2.04%  1ev  0pp  0sh
warren holmes  1  2.04%  0ev  1pp  0sh

1984 90 total
jim fox  40 44.44%  31ev  9pp  0sh
brian maclellan  34 37.78%  24ev  7pp  3sh
mark hardy  15 16.67%  2ev  12pp  1sh
marcel dionne  9  10%  0ev  9pp  0sh
mike mcewen  9  10%  5ev  4pp  0sh
jay wells  8  8.89%  7ev  1pp  0sh
charlie simmer  7  7.78%  2ev  5pp  0sh
dave taylor  7  7.78%  5ev  2pp  0sh
russ anderson  6  6.67%  6ev  0pp  0sh
brian engblom  5  5.56%  2ev  2pp  1sh
unassisted  5  5.56%  4ev  0pp  1sh
marc chorney  3  3.33%  3ev  0pp  0sh
anders hakansson  2  2.22%  1ev  0pp  1sh
john paul kelly  2  2.22%  2ev  0pp  0sh
larry murphy  2  2.22%  1ev  1pp  0sh
terry ruskowski  2  2.22%  1ev  1pp  0sh
billy harris  1  1.11%  1ev  0pp  0sh
doug smith  1  1.11%  0ev  1pp  0sh
ken houston  1  1.11%  1ev  0pp  0sh
kevin lavallee  1  1.11%  1ev  0pp  0sh
steve christoff  1  1.11%  1ev  0pp  0sh

1985 97 total
jim fox  54 55.67%  48ev  6pp  0sh
terry ruskowski  27 27.84%  25ev  2pp  0sh
marcel dionne  23 23.71%  3ev  20pp  0sh
brian maclellan  19 19.59%  6ev  13pp  0sh
mark hardy  16 16.49%  7ev  9pp  0sh
garry galley  9  9.28%  8ev  1pp  0sh
brian engblom  8  8.25%  7ev  1pp  0sh
dave taylor  8  8.25%  1ev  7pp  0sh
craig redmond  4  4.12%  2ev  2pp  0sh
carl mokosak  3  3.09%  3ev  0pp  0sh
steve shutt  3  3.09%  1ev  2pp  0sh
anders hakansson  2  2.06%  2ev  0pp  0sh
jay wells  2  2.06%  2ev  0pp  0sh
phil sykes  2  2.06%  2ev  0pp  0sh
rick lapointe  2  2.06%  2ev  0pp  0sh
john paul kelly  1  1.03%  1ev  0pp  0sh
unassisted  1  1.03%  1ev  0pp  0sh

1986 94 total
dave williams  26 27.66%  23ev  3pp  0sh
jim fox  21 22.34%  17ev  4pp  0sh
bryan erickson  20 21.28%  14ev  4pp  2sh
dave taylor  10 10.64%  6ev  4pp  0sh
jay wells  10 10.64%  8ev  2pp  0sh
marcel dionne  10 10.64%  1ev  9pp  0sh
grant ledyard  8  8.51%  5ev  3pp  0sh
mark hardy  7  7.45%  3ev  3pp  1sh
phil sykes  7  7.45%  5ev  2pp  0sh
brian maclellan  6  6.38%  1ev  5pp  0sh
morris lukowich  6  6.38%  5ev  1pp  0sh
craig redmond  5  5.32%  2ev  2pp  1sh
garry galley  5  5.32%  4ev  0pp  1sh
john paul kelly  5  5.32%  4ev  1pp  0sh
brian engblom  3  3.19%  3ev  0pp  0sh
doug smith  3  3.19%  1ev  2pp  0sh
dean kennedy  2  2.13%  2ev  0pp  0sh
allan tuer  1  1.06%  1ev  0pp  0sh
anders hakansson  1  1.06%  1ev  0pp  0sh
bob janecyk  1  1.06%  0ev  1pp  0sh
brian wilks  1  1.06%  1ev  0pp  0sh
dan brennan  1  1.06%  1ev  0pp  0sh
ken hammond  1  1.06%  0ev  1pp  0sh
larry playfair  1  1.06%  1ev  0pp  0sh
paul guay  1  1.06%  1ev  0pp  0sh
roland melanson  1  1.06%  0ev  0pp  1sh
sean mckenna  1  1.06%  1ev  0pp  0sh
unassisted  1  1.06%  1ev  0pp  0sh

1987 80 total
jim fox  40  50%  29ev  10pp  1sh
dave williams  20  25%  17ev  3pp  0sh
mark hardy  10  12.5%  8ev  2pp  0sh
steve duchesne  10  12.5%  5ev  5pp  0sh
jay wells  8  10%  5ev  3pp  0sh
jimmy carson  6  7.5%  0ev  6pp  0sh
marcel dionne  6  7.5%  1ev  5pp  0sh
dave taylor  5  6.25%  1ev  4pp  0sh
larry playfair  5  6.25%  5ev  0pp  0sh
grant ledyard  4  5%  2ev  2pp  0sh
morris lukowich  4  5%  0ev  4pp  0sh
sean mckenna  4  5%  4ev  0pp  0sh
bob bourne  3  3.75%  3ev  0pp  0sh
bryan erickson  3  3.75%  0ev  3pp  0sh
dean kennedy  2  2.5%  2ev  0pp  0sh
luc robitaille  2  2.5%  0ev  2pp  0sh
unassisted  2  2.5%  2ev  0pp  0sh
craig redmond  1  1.25%  1ev  0pp  0sh
dave langevin  1  1.25%  1ev  0pp  0sh
garry galley  1  1.25%  0ev  1pp  0sh
lyle phair  1  1.25%  1ev  0pp  0sh
peter dineen  1  1.25%  1ev  0pp  0sh
phil sykes  1  1.25%  1ev  0pp  0sh
roland melanson  1  1.25%  1ev  0pp  0sh
tom laidlaw  1  1.25%  1ev  0pp  0sh

1988 77 total
jim fox  24 31.17%  19ev  5pp  0sh
bobby carpenter  20 25.97%  11ev  8pp  1sh
luc robitaille  14 18.18%  5ev  9pp  0sh
steve duchesne  12 15.58%  6ev  6pp  0sh
jimmy carson  11 14.29%  1ev  10pp  0sh
dave taylor  8 10.39%  5ev  3pp  0sh
paul fenton  7  9.09%  1ev  5pp  1sh
phil sykes  7  9.09%  6ev  1pp  0sh
ken hammond  5  6.49%  4ev  1pp  0sh
jay wells  4  5.19%  2ev  1pp  1sh
mark hardy  4  5.19%  0ev  3pp  1sh
unassisted  4  5.19%  1ev  0pp  3sh
ron duguay  3  3.9%  1ev  2pp  0sh
bob bourne  2  2.6%  0ev  1pp  1sh
tom laidlaw  2  2.6%  2ev  0pp  0sh
dean kennedy  1  1.3%  1ev  0pp  0sh
glenn healy  1  1.3%  1ev  0pp  0sh
grant ledyard  1  1.3%  0ev  1pp  0sh
ken baumgartner  1  1.3%  1ev  0pp  0sh
lyle phair  1  1.3%  1ev  0pp  0sh
paul guay  1  1.3%  1ev  0pp  0sh
wayne mcbean  1  1.3%  1ev  0pp  0sh

1989 146 total
wayne gretzky  61 41.78%  23ev  27pp  11sh
luc robitaille  45 30.82%  32ev  13pp  0sh
dave taylor  34 23.29%  23ev  11pp  0sh
steve duchesne  31 21.23%  13ev  14pp  4sh
john tonelli  13  8.9%  9ev  4pp  0sh
mike krushelnyski  9  6.16%  6ev  3pp  0sh
bobby carpenter  6  4.11%  5ev  1pp  0sh
tim watters  6  4.11%  5ev  0pp  1sh
dale degray  5  3.42%  3ev  2pp  0sh
doug crossman  5  3.42%  4ev  1pp  0sh
steve kasper  5  3.42%  1ev  3pp  1sh
tom laidlaw  5  3.42%  5ev  0pp  0sh
unassisted  5  3.42%  3ev  2pp  0sh
dean kennedy  4  2.74%  3ev  0pp  1sh
ken baumgartner  4  2.74%  3ev  0pp  1sh
marty mcsorley  4  2.74%  3ev  1pp  0sh
ron duguay  4  2.74%  4ev  0pp  0sh
igor liba  3  2.05%  0ev  3pp  0sh
jay miller  3  2.05%  3ev  0pp  0sh
jim wiemer  3  2.05%  0ev  0pp  3sh
mike allison  2  1.37%  0ev  2pp  0sh
chris kontos  1  0.68%  1ev  0pp  0sh
kelly hrudey  1  0.68%  1ev  0pp  0sh
larry playfair  1  0.68%  0ev  0pp  1sh
paul fenton  1  0.68%  1ev  0pp  0sh
petr prajzler  1  0.68%  0ev  1pp  0sh

1990 102 total
luc robitaille  38 37.25%  23ev  15pp  0sh
wayne gretzky  25 24.51%  9ev  15pp  1sh
steve duchesne  14 13.73%  7ev  7pp  0sh
troy mallette  10  9.8%  6ev  4pp  0sh
dave taylor  9  8.82%  8ev  1pp  0sh
larry robinson  9  8.82%  4ev  5pp  0sh
john tonelli  8  7.84%  5ev  3pp  0sh
darren turcotte  7  6.86%  2ev  5pp  0sh
ulf dahlen  7  6.86%  2ev  5pp  0sh
brian leetch  6  5.88%  1ev  5pp  0sh
mike gartner  6  5.88%  3ev  3pp  0sh
brian benning  5  4.9%  2ev  3pp  0sh
marty mcsorley  5  4.9%  4ev  1pp  0sh
bob kudelski  4  3.92%  2ev  2pp  0sh
brian mullen  4  3.92%  1ev  3pp  0sh
carey wilson  4  3.92%  1ev  3pp  0sh
james patrick  4  3.92%  3ev  1pp  0sh
john ogrodnick  3  2.94%  0ev  3pp  0sh
kelly kisio  3  2.94%  0ev  3pp  0sh
tom laidlaw  3  2.94%  3ev  0pp  0sh
jeff bloemberg  2  1.96%  1ev  1pp  0sh
randy moller  2  1.96%  2ev  0pp  0sh
craig duncanson  1  0.98%  1ev  0pp  0sh
hubie mcdonough  1  0.98%  1ev  0pp  0sh
jay miller  1  0.98%  1ev  0pp  0sh
jim fox  1  0.98%  1ev  0pp  0sh
keith crowder  1  0.98%  1ev  0pp  0sh
mike allison  1  0.98%  1ev  0pp  0sh
mike krushelnyski  1  0.98%  0ev  1pp  0sh
miloslav horava  1  0.98%  1ev  0pp  0sh
petr prajzler  1  0.98%  0ev  1pp  0sh
scott bjugstad  1  0.98%  1ev  0pp  0sh
steve kasper  1  0.98%  1ev  0pp  0sh
tim watters  1  0.98%  1ev  0pp  0sh
todd elik  1  0.98%  1ev  0pp  0sh
unassisted  1  0.98%  1ev  0pp  0sh

1991 70 total
brian leetch  23 32.86%  7ev  16pp  0sh
mike gartner  23 32.86%  11ev  12pp  0sh
ray sheppard  20 28.57%  16ev  4pp  0sh
darren turcotte  17 24.29%  3ev  14pp  0sh
james patrick  12 17.14%  2ev  10pp  0sh
brian mullen  6  8.57%  4ev  2pp  0sh
troy mallette  6  8.57%  6ev  0pp  0sh
randy moller  4  5.71%  3ev  1pp  0sh
david shaw  3  4.29%  3ev  0pp  0sh
jan erixon  3  4.29%  3ev  0pp  0sh
john ogrodnick  3  4.29%  3ev  0pp  0sh
normand rochefort  3  4.29%  3ev  0pp  0sh
kevin miller  2  2.86%  2ev  0pp  0sh
mark hardy  2  2.86%  2ev  0pp  0sh
jody hull  1  1.43%  1ev  0pp  0sh
miloslav horava  1  1.43%  1ev  0pp  0sh
tie domi  1  1.43%  1ev  0pp  0sh
unassisted  1  1.43%  1ev  0pp  0sh

1992 48 total
vincent damphousse  26 54.17%  15ev  11pp  0sh
joe murphy  21 43.75%  13ev  8pp  0sh
norm maciver  8 16.67%  6ev  2pp  0sh
petr klima  4  8.33%  3ev  1pp  0sh
scott mellanby  4  8.33%  3ev  1pp  0sh
brian glynn  3  6.25%  1ev  2pp  0sh
craig simpson  3  6.25%  3ev  0pp  0sh
dave manson  3  6.25%  0ev  3pp  0sh
greg hawgood  3  6.25%  1ev  2pp  0sh
martin gelinas  3  6.25%  3ev  0pp  0sh
anatoli semenov  2  4.17%  1ev  1pp  0sh
geoff smith  2  4.17%  1ev  1pp  0sh
kelly buchberger  2  4.17%  2ev  0pp  0sh
esa tikkanen  1  2.08%  0ev  1pp  0sh
unassisted  1  2.08%  0ev  1pp  0sh

1993 56 total
petr klima  15 26.79%  8ev  7pp  0sh
craig simpson  12 21.43%  4ev  8pp  0sh
stephane richer  12 21.43%  8ev  4pp  0sh
dave manson  10 17.86%  1ev  9pp  0sh
john maclean  8 14.29%  6ev  2pp  0sh
greg hawgood  6 10.71%  3ev  3pp  0sh
scott niedermayer  5  8.93%  3ev  2pp  0sh
brent gilchrist  3  5.36%  3ev  0pp  0sh
bruce driver  3  5.36%  1ev  2pp  0sh
craig muni  3  5.36%  3ev  0pp  0sh
esa tikkanen  3  5.36%  2ev  1pp  0sh
peter stastny  2  3.57%  0ev  2pp  0sh
scott mellanby  2  3.57%  0ev  2pp  0sh
scott stevens  2  3.57%  2ev  0pp  0sh
shayne corson  2  3.57%  0ev  2pp  0sh
unassisted  2  3.57%  2ev  0pp  0sh
brad werenka  1  1.79%  1ev  0pp  0sh
claude lemieux  1  1.79%  0ev  1pp  0sh
geoff smith  1  1.79%  0ev  1pp  0sh
josef beranek  1  1.79%  1ev  0pp  0sh
kelly buchberger  1  1.79%  1ev  0pp  0sh
ken daneyko  1  1.79%  1ev  0pp  0sh
luke richardson  1  1.79%  0ev  1pp  0sh
tommy albelin  1  1.79%  0ev  1pp  0sh
valeri zelepukin  1  1.79%  1ev  0pp  0sh
viacheslav fetisov  1  1.79%  1ev  0pp  0sh

1994 46 total
john maclean  16 34.78%  10ev  6pp  0sh
claude lemieux  12 26.09%  8ev  4pp  0sh
scott stevens  11 23.91%  5ev  4pp  2sh
scott niedermayer  9 19.57%  8ev  1pp  0sh
stephane richer  8 17.39%  6ev  2pp  0sh
valeri zelepukin  6 13.04%  5ev  1pp  0sh
tom chorske  5 10.87%  4ev  0pp  1sh
bruce driver  4  8.7%  1ev  3pp  0sh
bobby carpenter  2  4.35%  2ev  0pp  0sh
bobby holik  2  4.35%  2ev  0pp  0sh
ken daneyko  2  4.35%  2ev  0pp  0sh
mike peluso  2  4.35%  2ev  0pp  0sh
randy mckay  2  4.35%  2ev  0pp  0sh
tommy albelin  2  4.35%  1ev  1pp  0sh
jaroslav modry  1  2.17%  1ev  0pp  0sh
jason smith  1  2.17%  1ev  0pp  0sh

1995 47 total
joe murphy  22 46.81%  11ev  10pp  1sh
chris chelios  14 29.79%  3ev  10pp  1sh
gary suter  13 27.66%  5ev  8pp  0sh
patrick poulin  7 14.89%  7ev  0pp  0sh
jeremy roenick  6 12.77%  0ev  6pp  0sh
paul ysebaert  4  8.51%  4ev  0pp  0sh
steve smith  4  8.51%  2ev  2pp  0sh
unassisted  4  8.51%  2ev  1pp  1sh
tony amonte  3  6.38%  0ev  3pp  0sh
christian ruuttu  2  4.26%  2ev  0pp  0sh
dirk graham  2  4.26%  0ev  2pp  0sh
denis savard  1  2.13%  0ev  1pp  0sh
eric weinrich  1  2.13%  0ev  1pp  0sh
jeff shantz  1  2.13%  0ev  1pp  0sh
sergei krivokrasov  1  2.13%  0ev  1pp  0sh

1996 58 total
gary suter  23 39.66%  4ev  18pp  1sh
tony amonte  18 31.03%  13ev  5pp  0sh
chris chelios  12 20.69%  2ev  10pp  0sh
jeremy roenick  11 18.97%  6ev  5pp  0sh
joe murphy  11 18.97%  7ev  4pp  0sh
eric daze  9 15.52%  9ev  0pp  0sh
murray craven  9 15.52%  7ev  1pp  1sh
sergei krivokrasov  5  8.62%  5ev  0pp  0sh
patrick poulin  4  6.9%  4ev  0pp  0sh
igor ulanov  3  5.17%  3ev  0pp  0sh
bob probert  1  1.72%  1ev  0pp  0sh
cam russell  1  1.72%  1ev  0pp  0sh
eric weinrich  1  1.72%  1ev  0pp  0sh
steve smith  1  1.72%  1ev  0pp  0sh
unassisted  1  1.72%  1ev  0pp  0sh

1997 43 total
tony granato  18 41.86%  13ev  4pp  1sh
owen nolan  14 32.56%  8ev  6pp  0sh
jeff friesen  12 27.91%  8ev  2pp  2sh
viktor kozlov  9 20.93%  6ev  3pp  0sh
al iafrate  5 11.63%  3ev  2pp  0sh
andrei nazarov  2  4.65%  2ev  0pp  0sh
marcus ragnarsson  2  4.65%  1ev  1pp  0sh
todd gill  2  4.65%  1ev  1pp  0sh
unassisted  2  4.65%  1ev  0pp  1sh
chris tancill  1  2.33%  1ev  0pp  0sh
darren turcotte  1  2.33%  0ev  1pp  0sh
doug bodger  1  2.33%  1ev  0pp  0sh
greg hawgood  1  2.33%  0ev  1pp  0sh
marty mcsorley  1  2.33%  1ev  0pp  0sh
michal sykora  1  2.33%  1ev  0pp  0sh
ron sutter  1  2.33%  0ev  1pp  0sh
stephen guolla  1  2.33%  1ev  0pp  0sh
ulf dahlen  1  2.33%  1ev  0pp  0sh

1998 28 total
murray craven  7  25%  6ev  1pp  0sh
bill houlder  6 21.43%  3ev  3pp  0sh
tony granato  5 17.86%  4ev  1pp  0sh
andrei zyuzin  4 14.29%  4ev  0pp  0sh
joe murphy  4 14.29%  2ev  2pp  0sh
jeff friesen  3 10.71%  2ev  1pp  0sh
mike rathje  3 10.71%  2ev  1pp  0sh
owen nolan  3 10.71%  3ev  0pp  0sh
todd gill  3 10.71%  1ev  2pp  0sh
al iafrate  2  7.14%  1ev  1pp  0sh
john maclean  2  7.14%  2ev  0pp  0sh
marco sturm  2  7.14%  1ev  1pp  0sh
marcus ragnarsson  2  7.14%  1ev  1pp  0sh
stephane matteau  2  7.14%  2ev  0pp  0sh
viktor kozlov  2  7.14%  1ev  1pp  0sh
doug bodger  1  3.57%  0ev  1pp  0sh
marty mcsorley  1  3.57%  1ev  0pp  0sh
patrick marleau  1  3.57%  0ev  1pp  0sh
rich brennan  1  3.57%  0ev  1pp  0sh
ron sutter  1  3.57%  1ev  0pp  0sh

1999 2 total
owen nolan  2  100%  0ev  2pp  0sh
bill houlder  1  50%  0ev  1pp  0sh
jeff friesen  1  50%  0ev  1pp  0sh

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I can't think of an example of the top of my head, but I thought this could be an interesting topic. Obviously the answers will be very subjective. Who are some players that you feel were the opposites of what they are widely perceived to have been, either in a certain facet of the game (ie...

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Some nice features on Nicholls from different stages of his career:

It's Pumper-Nicholl on a roll

HOCKEY; When a Crisis Sets In, Nicholls Puts Family First

https://vault.si.com/vault/1995/04/...dured-tragedy-on-his-way-back-to-nhl-eminence

Good video from his Chicago days in the mid nineties, Nicholls enjoyed a resurgence even in his mid thirties due to time healing the tough tough times he had in the early nineties, how good he always was, and a bit due to the league slowing down a bit in the mid/later nineties.

 

[Garbageyuk]

It won’t happen. This thread gets made every year, and every year he slows down in the second half because of the grind and teams playing tighter hockey due to the playoff race. He’ll very likely finish between 120 and 130 again, as usual.

If he gets 130+, I’d be very, very impressed. That would basically be the modern day equivalent anyway. Nobody has hit 130+ since Lemieux and Jagr in 1996.

 

[Rengorlex]

It won’t happen. This thread gets made every year, and every year he slows down in the second half because of the grind and teams playing tighter hockey due to the playoff race. He’ll very likely finish between 120 and 130 again, as usual.

If he gets 130+, I’d be very, very impressed. That would basically be the modern day equivalent anyway. Nobody has hit 130+ since Lemieux and Jagr in 1996.

McDavid actually always increases his pace in the second half.

 

[missinthejets]

McDavid actually always increases his pace in the second half.

Yeah his end of season is usually fire. It's the december/January slump that ends the huge season pace.

 

[authentic]

It won’t happen. This thread gets made every year, and every year he slows down in the second half because of the grind and teams playing tighter hockey due to the playoff race. He’ll very likely finish between 120 and 130 again, as usual.

If he gets 130+, I’d be very, very impressed. That would basically be the modern day equivalent anyway. Nobody has hit 130+ since Lemieux and Jagr in 1996.

As much as I think 150 is possible this is more or less what I feel. Yeah he always does great in the last stretch run of the season but there’s always a few months in the middle where he’s coasting a bit. Makes sense to me because you have to save some steam for the playoffs somehow. I think he will get 130+ but I wouldn’t bet on 140.

 

[Garbageyuk]

McDavid actually always increases his pace in the second half.

He’s paced for 150+ several times now in the first half (excluding the covid season), yet he has never actually hit 150 (or even approached it). What does that tell you?