Video Nasty
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McDavid heating up, what are odds on 150 points this season?
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VainGretzky
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This is because most dmen are bruised up and tiring, and McDavid's speed shows even more
BallardEra
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On pace for 73 goals, 85 assists and 158 points.
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Not sure which I'd prefer seeing: 70+ goals or 100+ assists (not that he's pacing for 100 but the ratio of g/a could easily sway; no way is McDavid doing both).
Obviously, we haven't seen a 70 goal season in ages (Selänne and Mogilny with 76 in 1992-93), but 100 assists is actually way rarer of a feat, achieved only by Gretzky (11 times), Lemieux and Orr (both once).
70+ goals has been done only one more times but by eight different players.
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Its still so crazy to me that Bernie Nichols is part of that list. Gretzky being one of them is impressive enough but being responsible for two others on the list? Amazing.
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McDavid 2021-22 vs 2022-23 after 28 games.
22: 16 G 31 A 47 P
23: 25 G 29 A 54 P
Strongly above pace of last year. Way ahead of his goal pace last year.
22: 16 G 31 A 47 P
23: 25 G 29 A 54 P
Strongly above pace of last year. Way ahead of his goal pace last year.
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SwedishFire
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Well, if evander kane is back, and they load up mcDavid Draisaitl Kane on same line
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Over the past week, McDavid has scored 7 points in three games. Here are the revised probabilities:
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120
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99.6%
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130
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93.7%
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140
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66.9%
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150
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26.9%
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160
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5.1%
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Again, this is assuming McDavid doesn't miss any games. Even a few games lost would really hurt his chances. But his probability of reach 150 points is now about 5% higher than it was at the start of the week.
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Would be great to see someone do it after all these years of "players are so good it is impossible now".
The recent crackdowns on goaltender equipment, a trend towards smaller players and speed, and the lack of physical play, obstruction, and interference opens up more east-west plays again finally.. and it is showing in scoring the past few years.
The recent crackdowns on goaltender equipment, a trend towards smaller players and speed, and the lack of physical play, obstruction, and interference opens up more east-west plays again finally.. and it is showing in scoring the past few years.
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I recall the shift starting around 2017-18 or so, when I (again... finally...) began seeing shooters frequently beating goalies with short-side shots and even sometimes slappers from distance. You could also see, around that time, that forwards were getting clever with shooting and often began shooting for the top corners in tight, shooting beside the goalies' ears/head, etc. (Of course, modern stick technology has made this more feasible.)
Before about 2017, and going back to about 1996 or something, I just did not see goalies getting beaten regularly on the short side.
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If he plays 82 games, it's almost as likely that he scores 160 points as it is that he scores less than 130 points
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Considering his highest total before that was 100 points, I'd assume he had some help from Gretzky that season. Could be wrong though.
BallardEra
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I remember hearing he had his own line that season.
If so, might have been his one Brady Anderson season.
jigglysquishy
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Nichols had 49 powerplay points playing with Gretzky. He was still absolutely elite at even strength without Gretzky.
Someone might have the shared point totals, but I've never seen it.
Someone might have the shared point totals, but I've never seen it.
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Nicholls had 87 ES points that year, only 23 were with Gretzky. (There's still some indirect benefits - opponents were generally focused on stopping Gretzky's line, so it freed up Nicholls to have easier matchups then he'd otherwise get).
He had 49 PP points, 30 of which were with Gretzky. And 11 of his 14 SH points were with Gretzky.
Even if you take away every single ES point Nicholls got with Gretzky, he still would have been T-7th in ES scoring that year (with Gretzky, Lemieux and their linemates taking up four of the top six spots). Nicholls had an incredible season in terms of ES production (but it's also fair to argue that his PP and especially SH scoring were boosted by Gretzky).
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Yeah it turns out he scored a lot on his own and probably still would've touched 100 points again that season. Even without Gretzky he was a great player so it does make a bit of sense I suppose. One hell of a season that's for sure.
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I've written up on Bernie Nicholls in an attempt for him not to be just some trivia answer or dismissed as a product of Gretzky or an exemplar of how easy it was to score in the eighties or whatever.
It's not an exact comparison of course, but you see a guy like Robertson who looks so gumpy skating, and yet still succeeds, and you think of Nicholls.
He was an exceptionally good player in all areas except skating, which probably looked worse than it was due to his gumpy skating stride. He had one of the best shots in the league, and was one of the smartest players in the league, both with, but more importantly, without the puck, this being a key trait of Jari Kurri, so no surprise Nicholls meshed well with Gretzky.
He was generally considered the Kings best player before Gretzky came in over Robitaille and Carson. Before 1988-1989, he didn't play much with guys like Robitaille and Carson, nor too much with Marcel Dionne before, his main linemates early on was Jim Fox. Few would take Hartford era Ron Francis over LA era Nicholls in the eighties, they just had dramatically different fortunes in the early nineties, where Nicholls joined a couple of defensive teams from one of the most offensive teams in LA, but most impactfully, Nicholls had to deal with the illness and death of his infant son which understandably derailed his attention to hockey. Thought to be lazy and unmotivated (the former cause of his skating stride, the latter probably due to incorrectly attributing early career flamboyance to his mid nineties years where he definitely should not have been motivated by hockey given what he was going through), Nicholls was actually generally considered the best athlete on teams he played, leading to a late career resurgence.
His points together numbers for 1988-1989 (and full career):
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Some nice features on Nicholls from different stages of his career:
It's Pumper-Nicholl on a roll
HOCKEY; When a Crisis Sets In, Nicholls Puts Family First
https://vault.si.com/vault/1995/04/...dured-tragedy-on-his-way-back-to-nhl-eminence
Good video from his Chicago days in the mid nineties, Nicholls enjoyed a resurgence even in his mid thirties due to time healing the tough tough times he had in the early nineties, how good he always was, and a bit due to the league slowing down a bit in the mid/later nineties.
It's not an exact comparison of course, but you see a guy like Robertson who looks so gumpy skating, and yet still succeeds, and you think of Nicholls.
He was an exceptionally good player in all areas except skating, which probably looked worse than it was due to his gumpy skating stride. He had one of the best shots in the league, and was one of the smartest players in the league, both with, but more importantly, without the puck, this being a key trait of Jari Kurri, so no surprise Nicholls meshed well with Gretzky.
He was generally considered the Kings best player before Gretzky came in over Robitaille and Carson. Before 1988-1989, he didn't play much with guys like Robitaille and Carson, nor too much with Marcel Dionne before, his main linemates early on was Jim Fox. Few would take Hartford era Ron Francis over LA era Nicholls in the eighties, they just had dramatically different fortunes in the early nineties, where Nicholls joined a couple of defensive teams from one of the most offensive teams in LA, but most impactfully, Nicholls had to deal with the illness and death of his infant son which understandably derailed his attention to hockey. Thought to be lazy and unmotivated (the former cause of his skating stride, the latter probably due to incorrectly attributing early career flamboyance to his mid nineties years where he definitely should not have been motivated by hockey given what he was going through), Nicholls was actually generally considered the best athlete on teams he played, leading to a late career resurgence.
His points together numbers for 1988-1989 (and full career):
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1989 146 total
wayne gretzky 61 41.78% 23ev 27pp 11sh
luc robitaille 45 30.82% 32ev 13pp 0sh
dave taylor 34 23.29% 23ev 11pp 0sh
steve duchesne 31 21.23% 13ev 14pp 4sh
john tonelli 13 8.9% 9ev 4pp 0sh
mike krushelnyski 9 6.16% 6ev 3pp 0sh
bobby carpenter 6 4.11% 5ev 1pp 0sh
tim watters 6 4.11% 5ev 0pp 1sh
dale degray 5 3.42% 3ev 2pp 0sh
doug crossman 5 3.42% 4ev 1pp 0sh
steve kasper 5 3.42% 1ev 3pp 1sh
tom laidlaw 5 3.42% 5ev 0pp 0sh
unassisted 5 3.42% 3ev 2pp 0sh
dean kennedy 4 2.74% 3ev 0pp 1sh
ken baumgartner 4 2.74% 3ev 0pp 1sh
marty mcsorley 4 2.74% 3ev 1pp 0sh
ron duguay 4 2.74% 4ev 0pp 0sh
igor liba 3 2.05% 0ev 3pp 0sh
jay miller 3 2.05% 3ev 0pp 0sh
jim wiemer 3 2.05% 0ev 0pp 3sh
mike allison 2 1.37% 0ev 2pp 0sh
chris kontos 1 0.68% 1ev 0pp 0sh
kelly hrudey 1 0.68% 1ev 0pp 0sh
larry playfair 1 0.68% 0ev 0pp 1sh
paul fenton 1 0.68% 1ev 0pp 0sh
petr prajzler 1 0.68% 0ev 1pp 0sh
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player name:
bernie nicholls
start season:
1982
end season:
1999
1982 32 total
dave taylor 8 25% 0ev 8pp 0sh
jim fox 6 18.75% 5ev 1pp 0sh
marcel dionne 6 18.75% 0ev 6pp 0sh
mark hardy 6 18.75% 2ev 4pp 0sh
doug smith 5 15.62% 5ev 0pp 0sh
charlie simmer 4 12.5% 0ev 4pp 0sh
john paul kelly 4 12.5% 3ev 1pp 0sh
daryl evans 3 9.38% 3ev 0pp 0sh
larry murphy 3 9.38% 3ev 0pp 0sh
mike murphy 3 9.38% 2ev 1pp 0sh
unassisted 3 9.38% 2ev 0pp 1sh
jerry korab 2 6.25% 1ev 1pp 0sh
rick chartraw 2 6.25% 2ev 0pp 0sh
steve bozek 2 6.25% 2ev 0pp 0sh
ian turnbull 1 3.12% 1ev 0pp 0sh
1983 49 total
jim fox 21 42.86% 8ev 13pp 0sh
charlie simmer 14 28.57% 6ev 8pp 0sh
doug smith 10 20.41% 9ev 1pp 0sh
mike murphy 8 16.33% 8ev 0pp 0sh
larry murphy 6 12.24% 2ev 4pp 0sh
dean kennedy 5 10.2% 5ev 0pp 0sh
jerry korab 4 8.16% 2ev 2pp 0sh
mark hardy 4 8.16% 2ev 2pp 0sh
dave lewis 3 6.12% 3ev 0pp 0sh
daryl evans 2 4.08% 0ev 2pp 0sh
kenneth gruhl 2 4.08% 2ev 0pp 0sh
ulf isaksson 2 4.08% 2ev 0pp 0sh
brian maclellan 1 2.04% 1ev 0pp 0sh
jay wells 1 2.04% 1ev 0pp 0sh
marcel dionne 1 2.04% 0ev 1pp 0sh
rick chartraw 1 2.04% 1ev 0pp 0sh
steve bozek 1 2.04% 1ev 0pp 0sh
unassisted 1 2.04% 1ev 0pp 0sh
warren holmes 1 2.04% 0ev 1pp 0sh
1984 90 total
jim fox 40 44.44% 31ev 9pp 0sh
brian maclellan 34 37.78% 24ev 7pp 3sh
mark hardy 15 16.67% 2ev 12pp 1sh
marcel dionne 9 10% 0ev 9pp 0sh
mike mcewen 9 10% 5ev 4pp 0sh
jay wells 8 8.89% 7ev 1pp 0sh
charlie simmer 7 7.78% 2ev 5pp 0sh
dave taylor 7 7.78% 5ev 2pp 0sh
russ anderson 6 6.67% 6ev 0pp 0sh
brian engblom 5 5.56% 2ev 2pp 1sh
unassisted 5 5.56% 4ev 0pp 1sh
marc chorney 3 3.33% 3ev 0pp 0sh
anders hakansson 2 2.22% 1ev 0pp 1sh
john paul kelly 2 2.22% 2ev 0pp 0sh
larry murphy 2 2.22% 1ev 1pp 0sh
terry ruskowski 2 2.22% 1ev 1pp 0sh
billy harris 1 1.11% 1ev 0pp 0sh
doug smith 1 1.11% 0ev 1pp 0sh
ken houston 1 1.11% 1ev 0pp 0sh
kevin lavallee 1 1.11% 1ev 0pp 0sh
steve christoff 1 1.11% 1ev 0pp 0sh
1985 97 total
jim fox 54 55.67% 48ev 6pp 0sh
terry ruskowski 27 27.84% 25ev 2pp 0sh
marcel dionne 23 23.71% 3ev 20pp 0sh
brian maclellan 19 19.59% 6ev 13pp 0sh
mark hardy 16 16.49% 7ev 9pp 0sh
garry galley 9 9.28% 8ev 1pp 0sh
brian engblom 8 8.25% 7ev 1pp 0sh
dave taylor 8 8.25% 1ev 7pp 0sh
craig redmond 4 4.12% 2ev 2pp 0sh
carl mokosak 3 3.09% 3ev 0pp 0sh
steve shutt 3 3.09% 1ev 2pp 0sh
anders hakansson 2 2.06% 2ev 0pp 0sh
jay wells 2 2.06% 2ev 0pp 0sh
phil sykes 2 2.06% 2ev 0pp 0sh
rick lapointe 2 2.06% 2ev 0pp 0sh
john paul kelly 1 1.03% 1ev 0pp 0sh
unassisted 1 1.03% 1ev 0pp 0sh
1986 94 total
dave williams 26 27.66% 23ev 3pp 0sh
jim fox 21 22.34% 17ev 4pp 0sh
bryan erickson 20 21.28% 14ev 4pp 2sh
dave taylor 10 10.64% 6ev 4pp 0sh
jay wells 10 10.64% 8ev 2pp 0sh
marcel dionne 10 10.64% 1ev 9pp 0sh
grant ledyard 8 8.51% 5ev 3pp 0sh
mark hardy 7 7.45% 3ev 3pp 1sh
phil sykes 7 7.45% 5ev 2pp 0sh
brian maclellan 6 6.38% 1ev 5pp 0sh
morris lukowich 6 6.38% 5ev 1pp 0sh
craig redmond 5 5.32% 2ev 2pp 1sh
garry galley 5 5.32% 4ev 0pp 1sh
john paul kelly 5 5.32% 4ev 1pp 0sh
brian engblom 3 3.19% 3ev 0pp 0sh
doug smith 3 3.19% 1ev 2pp 0sh
dean kennedy 2 2.13% 2ev 0pp 0sh
allan tuer 1 1.06% 1ev 0pp 0sh
anders hakansson 1 1.06% 1ev 0pp 0sh
bob janecyk 1 1.06% 0ev 1pp 0sh
brian wilks 1 1.06% 1ev 0pp 0sh
dan brennan 1 1.06% 1ev 0pp 0sh
ken hammond 1 1.06% 0ev 1pp 0sh
larry playfair 1 1.06% 1ev 0pp 0sh
paul guay 1 1.06% 1ev 0pp 0sh
roland melanson 1 1.06% 0ev 0pp 1sh
sean mckenna 1 1.06% 1ev 0pp 0sh
unassisted 1 1.06% 1ev 0pp 0sh
1987 80 total
jim fox 40 50% 29ev 10pp 1sh
dave williams 20 25% 17ev 3pp 0sh
mark hardy 10 12.5% 8ev 2pp 0sh
steve duchesne 10 12.5% 5ev 5pp 0sh
jay wells 8 10% 5ev 3pp 0sh
jimmy carson 6 7.5% 0ev 6pp 0sh
marcel dionne 6 7.5% 1ev 5pp 0sh
dave taylor 5 6.25% 1ev 4pp 0sh
larry playfair 5 6.25% 5ev 0pp 0sh
grant ledyard 4 5% 2ev 2pp 0sh
morris lukowich 4 5% 0ev 4pp 0sh
sean mckenna 4 5% 4ev 0pp 0sh
bob bourne 3 3.75% 3ev 0pp 0sh
bryan erickson 3 3.75% 0ev 3pp 0sh
dean kennedy 2 2.5% 2ev 0pp 0sh
luc robitaille 2 2.5% 0ev 2pp 0sh
unassisted 2 2.5% 2ev 0pp 0sh
craig redmond 1 1.25% 1ev 0pp 0sh
dave langevin 1 1.25% 1ev 0pp 0sh
garry galley 1 1.25% 0ev 1pp 0sh
lyle phair 1 1.25% 1ev 0pp 0sh
peter dineen 1 1.25% 1ev 0pp 0sh
phil sykes 1 1.25% 1ev 0pp 0sh
roland melanson 1 1.25% 1ev 0pp 0sh
tom laidlaw 1 1.25% 1ev 0pp 0sh
1988 77 total
jim fox 24 31.17% 19ev 5pp 0sh
bobby carpenter 20 25.97% 11ev 8pp 1sh
luc robitaille 14 18.18% 5ev 9pp 0sh
steve duchesne 12 15.58% 6ev 6pp 0sh
jimmy carson 11 14.29% 1ev 10pp 0sh
dave taylor 8 10.39% 5ev 3pp 0sh
paul fenton 7 9.09% 1ev 5pp 1sh
phil sykes 7 9.09% 6ev 1pp 0sh
ken hammond 5 6.49% 4ev 1pp 0sh
jay wells 4 5.19% 2ev 1pp 1sh
mark hardy 4 5.19% 0ev 3pp 1sh
unassisted 4 5.19% 1ev 0pp 3sh
ron duguay 3 3.9% 1ev 2pp 0sh
bob bourne 2 2.6% 0ev 1pp 1sh
tom laidlaw 2 2.6% 2ev 0pp 0sh
dean kennedy 1 1.3% 1ev 0pp 0sh
glenn healy 1 1.3% 1ev 0pp 0sh
grant ledyard 1 1.3% 0ev 1pp 0sh
ken baumgartner 1 1.3% 1ev 0pp 0sh
lyle phair 1 1.3% 1ev 0pp 0sh
paul guay 1 1.3% 1ev 0pp 0sh
wayne mcbean 1 1.3% 1ev 0pp 0sh
1989 146 total
wayne gretzky 61 41.78% 23ev 27pp 11sh
luc robitaille 45 30.82% 32ev 13pp 0sh
dave taylor 34 23.29% 23ev 11pp 0sh
steve duchesne 31 21.23% 13ev 14pp 4sh
john tonelli 13 8.9% 9ev 4pp 0sh
mike krushelnyski 9 6.16% 6ev 3pp 0sh
bobby carpenter 6 4.11% 5ev 1pp 0sh
tim watters 6 4.11% 5ev 0pp 1sh
dale degray 5 3.42% 3ev 2pp 0sh
doug crossman 5 3.42% 4ev 1pp 0sh
steve kasper 5 3.42% 1ev 3pp 1sh
tom laidlaw 5 3.42% 5ev 0pp 0sh
unassisted 5 3.42% 3ev 2pp 0sh
dean kennedy 4 2.74% 3ev 0pp 1sh
ken baumgartner 4 2.74% 3ev 0pp 1sh
marty mcsorley 4 2.74% 3ev 1pp 0sh
ron duguay 4 2.74% 4ev 0pp 0sh
igor liba 3 2.05% 0ev 3pp 0sh
jay miller 3 2.05% 3ev 0pp 0sh
jim wiemer 3 2.05% 0ev 0pp 3sh
mike allison 2 1.37% 0ev 2pp 0sh
chris kontos 1 0.68% 1ev 0pp 0sh
kelly hrudey 1 0.68% 1ev 0pp 0sh
larry playfair 1 0.68% 0ev 0pp 1sh
paul fenton 1 0.68% 1ev 0pp 0sh
petr prajzler 1 0.68% 0ev 1pp 0sh
1990 102 total
luc robitaille 38 37.25% 23ev 15pp 0sh
wayne gretzky 25 24.51% 9ev 15pp 1sh
steve duchesne 14 13.73% 7ev 7pp 0sh
troy mallette 10 9.8% 6ev 4pp 0sh
dave taylor 9 8.82% 8ev 1pp 0sh
larry robinson 9 8.82% 4ev 5pp 0sh
john tonelli 8 7.84% 5ev 3pp 0sh
darren turcotte 7 6.86% 2ev 5pp 0sh
ulf dahlen 7 6.86% 2ev 5pp 0sh
brian leetch 6 5.88% 1ev 5pp 0sh
mike gartner 6 5.88% 3ev 3pp 0sh
brian benning 5 4.9% 2ev 3pp 0sh
marty mcsorley 5 4.9% 4ev 1pp 0sh
bob kudelski 4 3.92% 2ev 2pp 0sh
brian mullen 4 3.92% 1ev 3pp 0sh
carey wilson 4 3.92% 1ev 3pp 0sh
james patrick 4 3.92% 3ev 1pp 0sh
john ogrodnick 3 2.94% 0ev 3pp 0sh
kelly kisio 3 2.94% 0ev 3pp 0sh
tom laidlaw 3 2.94% 3ev 0pp 0sh
jeff bloemberg 2 1.96% 1ev 1pp 0sh
randy moller 2 1.96% 2ev 0pp 0sh
craig duncanson 1 0.98% 1ev 0pp 0sh
hubie mcdonough 1 0.98% 1ev 0pp 0sh
jay miller 1 0.98% 1ev 0pp 0sh
jim fox 1 0.98% 1ev 0pp 0sh
keith crowder 1 0.98% 1ev 0pp 0sh
mike allison 1 0.98% 1ev 0pp 0sh
mike krushelnyski 1 0.98% 0ev 1pp 0sh
miloslav horava 1 0.98% 1ev 0pp 0sh
petr prajzler 1 0.98% 0ev 1pp 0sh
scott bjugstad 1 0.98% 1ev 0pp 0sh
steve kasper 1 0.98% 1ev 0pp 0sh
tim watters 1 0.98% 1ev 0pp 0sh
todd elik 1 0.98% 1ev 0pp 0sh
unassisted 1 0.98% 1ev 0pp 0sh
1991 70 total
brian leetch 23 32.86% 7ev 16pp 0sh
mike gartner 23 32.86% 11ev 12pp 0sh
ray sheppard 20 28.57% 16ev 4pp 0sh
darren turcotte 17 24.29% 3ev 14pp 0sh
james patrick 12 17.14% 2ev 10pp 0sh
brian mullen 6 8.57% 4ev 2pp 0sh
troy mallette 6 8.57% 6ev 0pp 0sh
randy moller 4 5.71% 3ev 1pp 0sh
david shaw 3 4.29% 3ev 0pp 0sh
jan erixon 3 4.29% 3ev 0pp 0sh
john ogrodnick 3 4.29% 3ev 0pp 0sh
normand rochefort 3 4.29% 3ev 0pp 0sh
kevin miller 2 2.86% 2ev 0pp 0sh
mark hardy 2 2.86% 2ev 0pp 0sh
jody hull 1 1.43% 1ev 0pp 0sh
miloslav horava 1 1.43% 1ev 0pp 0sh
tie domi 1 1.43% 1ev 0pp 0sh
unassisted 1 1.43% 1ev 0pp 0sh
1992 48 total
vincent damphousse 26 54.17% 15ev 11pp 0sh
joe murphy 21 43.75% 13ev 8pp 0sh
norm maciver 8 16.67% 6ev 2pp 0sh
petr klima 4 8.33% 3ev 1pp 0sh
scott mellanby 4 8.33% 3ev 1pp 0sh
brian glynn 3 6.25% 1ev 2pp 0sh
craig simpson 3 6.25% 3ev 0pp 0sh
dave manson 3 6.25% 0ev 3pp 0sh
greg hawgood 3 6.25% 1ev 2pp 0sh
martin gelinas 3 6.25% 3ev 0pp 0sh
anatoli semenov 2 4.17% 1ev 1pp 0sh
geoff smith 2 4.17% 1ev 1pp 0sh
kelly buchberger 2 4.17% 2ev 0pp 0sh
esa tikkanen 1 2.08% 0ev 1pp 0sh
unassisted 1 2.08% 0ev 1pp 0sh
1993 56 total
petr klima 15 26.79% 8ev 7pp 0sh
craig simpson 12 21.43% 4ev 8pp 0sh
stephane richer 12 21.43% 8ev 4pp 0sh
dave manson 10 17.86% 1ev 9pp 0sh
john maclean 8 14.29% 6ev 2pp 0sh
greg hawgood 6 10.71% 3ev 3pp 0sh
scott niedermayer 5 8.93% 3ev 2pp 0sh
brent gilchrist 3 5.36% 3ev 0pp 0sh
bruce driver 3 5.36% 1ev 2pp 0sh
craig muni 3 5.36% 3ev 0pp 0sh
esa tikkanen 3 5.36% 2ev 1pp 0sh
peter stastny 2 3.57% 0ev 2pp 0sh
scott mellanby 2 3.57% 0ev 2pp 0sh
scott stevens 2 3.57% 2ev 0pp 0sh
shayne corson 2 3.57% 0ev 2pp 0sh
unassisted 2 3.57% 2ev 0pp 0sh
brad werenka 1 1.79% 1ev 0pp 0sh
claude lemieux 1 1.79% 0ev 1pp 0sh
geoff smith 1 1.79% 0ev 1pp 0sh
josef beranek 1 1.79% 1ev 0pp 0sh
kelly buchberger 1 1.79% 1ev 0pp 0sh
ken daneyko 1 1.79% 1ev 0pp 0sh
luke richardson 1 1.79% 0ev 1pp 0sh
tommy albelin 1 1.79% 0ev 1pp 0sh
valeri zelepukin 1 1.79% 1ev 0pp 0sh
viacheslav fetisov 1 1.79% 1ev 0pp 0sh
1994 46 total
john maclean 16 34.78% 10ev 6pp 0sh
claude lemieux 12 26.09% 8ev 4pp 0sh
scott stevens 11 23.91% 5ev 4pp 2sh
scott niedermayer 9 19.57% 8ev 1pp 0sh
stephane richer 8 17.39% 6ev 2pp 0sh
valeri zelepukin 6 13.04% 5ev 1pp 0sh
tom chorske 5 10.87% 4ev 0pp 1sh
bruce driver 4 8.7% 1ev 3pp 0sh
bobby carpenter 2 4.35% 2ev 0pp 0sh
bobby holik 2 4.35% 2ev 0pp 0sh
ken daneyko 2 4.35% 2ev 0pp 0sh
mike peluso 2 4.35% 2ev 0pp 0sh
randy mckay 2 4.35% 2ev 0pp 0sh
tommy albelin 2 4.35% 1ev 1pp 0sh
jaroslav modry 1 2.17% 1ev 0pp 0sh
jason smith 1 2.17% 1ev 0pp 0sh
1995 47 total
joe murphy 22 46.81% 11ev 10pp 1sh
chris chelios 14 29.79% 3ev 10pp 1sh
gary suter 13 27.66% 5ev 8pp 0sh
patrick poulin 7 14.89% 7ev 0pp 0sh
jeremy roenick 6 12.77% 0ev 6pp 0sh
paul ysebaert 4 8.51% 4ev 0pp 0sh
steve smith 4 8.51% 2ev 2pp 0sh
unassisted 4 8.51% 2ev 1pp 1sh
tony amonte 3 6.38% 0ev 3pp 0sh
christian ruuttu 2 4.26% 2ev 0pp 0sh
dirk graham 2 4.26% 0ev 2pp 0sh
denis savard 1 2.13% 0ev 1pp 0sh
eric weinrich 1 2.13% 0ev 1pp 0sh
jeff shantz 1 2.13% 0ev 1pp 0sh
sergei krivokrasov 1 2.13% 0ev 1pp 0sh
1996 58 total
gary suter 23 39.66% 4ev 18pp 1sh
tony amonte 18 31.03% 13ev 5pp 0sh
chris chelios 12 20.69% 2ev 10pp 0sh
jeremy roenick 11 18.97% 6ev 5pp 0sh
joe murphy 11 18.97% 7ev 4pp 0sh
eric daze 9 15.52% 9ev 0pp 0sh
murray craven 9 15.52% 7ev 1pp 1sh
sergei krivokrasov 5 8.62% 5ev 0pp 0sh
patrick poulin 4 6.9% 4ev 0pp 0sh
igor ulanov 3 5.17% 3ev 0pp 0sh
bob probert 1 1.72% 1ev 0pp 0sh
cam russell 1 1.72% 1ev 0pp 0sh
eric weinrich 1 1.72% 1ev 0pp 0sh
steve smith 1 1.72% 1ev 0pp 0sh
unassisted 1 1.72% 1ev 0pp 0sh
1997 43 total
tony granato 18 41.86% 13ev 4pp 1sh
owen nolan 14 32.56% 8ev 6pp 0sh
jeff friesen 12 27.91% 8ev 2pp 2sh
viktor kozlov 9 20.93% 6ev 3pp 0sh
al iafrate 5 11.63% 3ev 2pp 0sh
andrei nazarov 2 4.65% 2ev 0pp 0sh
marcus ragnarsson 2 4.65% 1ev 1pp 0sh
todd gill 2 4.65% 1ev 1pp 0sh
unassisted 2 4.65% 1ev 0pp 1sh
chris tancill 1 2.33% 1ev 0pp 0sh
darren turcotte 1 2.33% 0ev 1pp 0sh
doug bodger 1 2.33% 1ev 0pp 0sh
greg hawgood 1 2.33% 0ev 1pp 0sh
marty mcsorley 1 2.33% 1ev 0pp 0sh
michal sykora 1 2.33% 1ev 0pp 0sh
ron sutter 1 2.33% 0ev 1pp 0sh
stephen guolla 1 2.33% 1ev 0pp 0sh
ulf dahlen 1 2.33% 1ev 0pp 0sh
1998 28 total
murray craven 7 25% 6ev 1pp 0sh
bill houlder 6 21.43% 3ev 3pp 0sh
tony granato 5 17.86% 4ev 1pp 0sh
andrei zyuzin 4 14.29% 4ev 0pp 0sh
joe murphy 4 14.29% 2ev 2pp 0sh
jeff friesen 3 10.71% 2ev 1pp 0sh
mike rathje 3 10.71% 2ev 1pp 0sh
owen nolan 3 10.71% 3ev 0pp 0sh
todd gill 3 10.71% 1ev 2pp 0sh
al iafrate 2 7.14% 1ev 1pp 0sh
john maclean 2 7.14% 2ev 0pp 0sh
marco sturm 2 7.14% 1ev 1pp 0sh
marcus ragnarsson 2 7.14% 1ev 1pp 0sh
stephane matteau 2 7.14% 2ev 0pp 0sh
viktor kozlov 2 7.14% 1ev 1pp 0sh
doug bodger 1 3.57% 0ev 1pp 0sh
marty mcsorley 1 3.57% 1ev 0pp 0sh
patrick marleau 1 3.57% 0ev 1pp 0sh
rich brennan 1 3.57% 0ev 1pp 0sh
ron sutter 1 3.57% 1ev 0pp 0sh
1999 2 total
owen nolan 2 100% 0ev 2pp 0sh
bill houlder 1 50% 0ev 1pp 0sh
jeff friesen 1 50% 0ev 1pp 0shPlayers Who Were The Opposite Of Their Perception?
I can't think of an example of the top of my head, but I thought this could be an interesting topic. Obviously the answers will be very subjective. Who are some players that you feel were the opposites of what they are widely perceived to have been, either in a certain facet of the game (ie...
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I can't think of anyone who's even close right now. He's been bottom 10% of the league for defensive play the last few years. Even at their worst, Gretzky/Lemieux/Ovechkin were never among the absolute worst in the league. I don't know... I have a hard time imagining anyone would try to argue...
Some nice features on Nicholls from different stages of his career:
It's Pumper-Nicholl on a roll
HOCKEY; When a Crisis Sets In, Nicholls Puts Family First
https://vault.si.com/vault/1995/04/...dured-tragedy-on-his-way-back-to-nhl-eminence
Good video from his Chicago days in the mid nineties, Nicholls enjoyed a resurgence even in his mid thirties due to time healing the tough tough times he had in the early nineties, how good he always was, and a bit due to the league slowing down a bit in the mid/later nineties.
It won’t happen. This thread gets made every year, and every year he slows down in the second half because of the grind and teams playing tighter hockey due to the playoff race. He’ll very likely finish between 120 and 130 again, as usual.
If he gets 130+, I’d be very, very impressed. That would basically be the modern day equivalent anyway. Nobody has hit 130+ since Lemieux and Jagr in 1996.
If he gets 130+, I’d be very, very impressed. That would basically be the modern day equivalent anyway. Nobody has hit 130+ since Lemieux and Jagr in 1996.
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Yeah his end of season is usually fire. It's the december/January slump that ends the huge season pace.
As much as I think 150 is possible this is more or less what I feel. Yeah he always does great in the last stretch run of the season but there’s always a few months in the middle where he’s coasting a bit. Makes sense to me because you have to save some steam for the playoffs somehow. I think he will get 130+ but I wouldn’t bet on 140.
He’s paced for 150+ several times now in the first half (excluding the covid season), yet he has never actually hit 150 (or even approached it). What does that tell you?
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