McDavid heating up, what are odds on 150 points this season?
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Let's have some self awareness in talking about "fantasy land what ifs" and then "140-150 point in progress" lol
I'm telling you man, for all you and the same handful of others talk about "enjoying McDavid" and blah blah blah, it's coming from the same playbook as what you deride from the davers.
Take your own advice, enjoy it now as it's happening, stop constantly worrying about projecting a guy to top 5/10 whatever or comparing him to other greats, crunching more numbers and stats to "prove" whatever.
We'll all be moving on and talking about Bedard and whoever else soon enough, don't be in the McDavid legacy fan club crew like we have for certain other players lol. Just watch your favorite player do his thing, cheer his team on to win a cup and score lots and whatever. These topics reek of the same insecurities we saw before with other guys.
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MCR74
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And I'm sure a McDavid fanboy has an objective opinion about anything else hockey related.
Frosty415
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At least he watches Hockey.
MCR74
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You don't care yet you took the time to reply.
This also completely misses the point. McDavid himself hasn't had a full season more dominant than any Crosby or Ovechkin had, and his entire career up to the same age as Crosby isn't more dominant. I fully expect you to respond again since you don't care lol
Also all players literally didn't play under the same circumstances in the COVID shortened season, there were essentially 4 different leagues as teams didn't play outside their own division
I love that the Oilers have continued to employ such crappy managers. I think pretty much any other combination of GMs would have a cup with McDavid and Draisaitl
MCR74
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I'm enjoying it myself.
Holland is trying to build Leafs West by signing all their castoffs. For such a vet GM, you'd figure he'd know better.
MCR74
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You're aware the playoffs havent started yet right?
20 goals for Hyman is nothing worthwhile.
Interesting.
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There was a lot of unfounded talk of McDavids 2021 season being a fluke by being in a "weak" Canadian division (with no proof ever provided as to how exactly it was a weak division).
Well two years later and hes pacing nearly identically to that year (1.86 ppg vs 1.88) 44 games in. And he also had a historic playoff run of 33 points in 16 games (2.06 ppg).
Maybe he is a guy who can put together nearly 2 ppg seasons?
Best player since Lemieux.
Well two years later and hes pacing nearly identically to that year (1.86 ppg vs 1.88) 44 games in. And he also had a historic playoff run of 33 points in 16 games (2.06 ppg).
Maybe he is a guy who can put together nearly 2 ppg seasons?
Best player since Lemieux.
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Other than being able to witness McDavid's legendary season, the added benefit of seeing it break inferiority-complex-riddled Leafs homers after they convinced themselves Matthews was comparable after his career year, is a delicious added cherry on top.
Is this supposed to be a gotcha moment or something? We all know the reason Crosby didn't have many more Art Ross trophies, and it has nothing to do with his ability as a player. Now if you guys want to act like McDavid is closer to Lemieux and Gretzky than Crosby because Crosby got blindsided head shots and flying pucks to the jaw then go for it.
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But we actually don't know that. For all we know he may never have won the Art Ross those seasons had he played all 82. There is no way to know because he never played the full seasons. You could assume he would have won them, others could just as easily assume he wouldn't have.
It still doesn't change that the actual abilities of the players themselves are super close up to the same point in their careers though. I don't even see how that could be seriously denied among people who watched them both play in their primes.
My post wasn't insecure. It was in direct response to someone saying that McDavid would-be/could-be #1 all-time. That is how Mario Lemieux entered a discussion about McDavid reaching 150 points.
I completely disagree with any notion concerning McDavid being #1 all-time. He hasn't dominated his peers the way Gretzky and Lemieux did.
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I agree.
McDavid is a very great player. But let's not forget that he lost scoring races to Kucherov and Draisaitl.
Kucherov and Draisaitl are very good players themselves.
But them beating McDavid in a scoring race is something Gretzky and Lemieux never would have allowed to happen.
Did a prime Gretzky or a prime Lemieux lose scoring races to Peter Stastny, Dale Hawerchuk, Pat LaFontaine, Adam Oates, etc.? (These can be used as comparables to Kucherov, in a scoring sense).
Did a prime Gretzky or a prime Lemieux lose scoring races to Jari Kurri or Jaromir Jagr? (These can be used as comparables to Draisaitl, in that they were teammates to Gretzky and Lemieux just like Draisaitl is to McDavid).
The dominance and separation from his peers isn't there for McDavid the way it was for Gretzky and Lemieux.
And if mcdavid played for the Lightning he'd have 3 cups before he was 26. Your point?
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There seems to be a lot of discounting what McDavid is doing because "scoring is up". But if you compare the average scoring rates this year vs the period from 2006-2007 through to say 2010-2011 the difference ranges between 7.5-16%. For the 2006-2007 season where Crosby had his 120 points the difference was 7.5%. For Ovi's 2007-2008 year it is 14%. But what also needs to be noted is the huge change in the number of power play opportunities. In 2006-2007 there were on average 50% more power play opportunities per team or 1.62 more per game. The Penguins had 5.65 ppo's per game vs the 3.68 that the Oilers have had this year. In 2007-2008 it was about 33% higher league wide and for Washington it was 4.22 per game which is .54 more than the Oilers had this year.
Take Crosby's 120 points and bump him up by 7.5% and you get 129 points. But if you give McDavid an additional 1.97 pp opportunities per game that is 162 more pp chances over the year. At 31.5% that is 51 more pp goals by the Oilers. McDavid has been in on about 80% of the Oilers pp goals. So that would be another 41 pp points over the course of the season.
None of this is exact science. But the bottom line is that over his last 82 NHL games McDavid has scored 59 goals, had 96 assists and had 155 points. With those numbers it would be hard to really make a convincing case that anyone playing today has ever put up points at a rate that McDavid has been consistently doing for the last few years over any season or more. The best one could say is that OVI's 65 goals may be a comparable accomplishment.
Take Crosby's 120 points and bump him up by 7.5% and you get 129 points. But if you give McDavid an additional 1.97 pp opportunities per game that is 162 more pp chances over the year. At 31.5% that is 51 more pp goals by the Oilers. McDavid has been in on about 80% of the Oilers pp goals. So that would be another 41 pp points over the course of the season.
None of this is exact science. But the bottom line is that over his last 82 NHL games McDavid has scored 59 goals, had 96 assists and had 155 points. With those numbers it would be hard to really make a convincing case that anyone playing today has ever put up points at a rate that McDavid has been consistently doing for the last few years over any season or more. The best one could say is that OVI's 65 goals may be a comparable accomplishment.
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McDavid may end up scoring more than 65 while also scoring 150 points. Higher scoring era, but that would be on a whole another level from any full season we have seen in the cap era.
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I don't even care about statistics, to be honest. I care about what I can see.
What I see in McDavid is a guy who moves better with the puck than any player that has ever lived.
Stats from various eras and decades have a ton of variables. What doesn't is a player's skill.
Tell me one player in hockey history who combines McDavid's skating, puck handling, shooting, vision and playmaking. I'll wait. And I will keep waiting.
If you haven't been watching him this year, you are truly missing out. Every night is a highlight reel. Cripes, every shift he does something ridiculous. The idea that Matthews and him are in the same category makes me laugh. I'm watching the Leafs game right now. Not Even Close
What I see in McDavid is a guy who moves better with the puck than any player that has ever lived.
Stats from various eras and decades have a ton of variables. What doesn't is a player's skill.
Tell me one player in hockey history who combines McDavid's skating, puck handling, shooting, vision and playmaking. I'll wait. And I will keep waiting.
If you haven't been watching him this year, you are truly missing out. Every night is a highlight reel. Cripes, every shift he does something ridiculous. The idea that Matthews and him are in the same category makes me laugh. I'm watching the Leafs game right now. Not Even Close
The notion that McDavid "could be" #1-all time is not delusional. I'm 99% sure it won't happen, but it's certainly not impossible to conjure up without giving him any more ability than he currently has.
He still has 5 seasons left in his 20's (if you include this one). If he plays like this for all 5 of those seasons, he would have 9 art rosses, 7 Harts, 8 Lindsay's, 10 100-point seasons, etc, etc, at the age of 30. At that point he would have a legitimate shot of being #1 all time if he had a better career past age 30 than Gretzky did.
